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Unlocking costumes has never really bothered me much because we already can't wear absolutely anything we want anyway. The game does not provide for infinite costumes choices and never will. So if we can't have absolutely ANYTHING we want at character creation already what does it matter that we can only choose from 99% percent of what's available in the game at level 1? If I CAN have 99% of everything the game allows for at level 1 then whining about that last 1% is effectively pointless.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Look, if I had a choice of new costume items being available for free in character creation, I would so take this option. In a heartbeat. However, people have historically argued that costumes SHOULD be unlockable or they're worthless and the developers have historically agreed with the, sticking such things as generic Roman Armour behind a level 35+ TF. I really don't think that's an option any more. I don't think it ever was.
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If you've decided that your character concept somehow absolutely relies on one of the very few costume unlocks then you either go unlock it or rethink your character. I can think of millions of character concepts I'll NEVER be able to make because the items don't exist in ANY form in this game but you don't see me people like me harping on that much do you?
I really wish people would get over hating on the unlockables.
You don't have to like them but they aren't going to go away after being in the game for years now.
Please either go unlock these things (like I did years ago) or stop complaining about something that will never change.
P.S. I've never argued that there SHOULD be costume unlockables in this game, but I understand why they do make for effective MMO rewards from a game design point of view. I'm sorry they bother you so much - I hardly ever think about them except when I'm responding to posts like yours. Let's just say on the grand list of "Top Things Wrong" with this game I'd rate costume unlocks pretty much at the bottom of the list. *shrugs*
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At the risk of putting words in Sam's mouth, I think the operative clauses of that sentence were "large masses of people" and "don't like." I personally enjoy interacting with small groups of people that I know (and like), and will often choose to solo rather than join in, say, a Hami raid. But that's just me.
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Originally Posted by Caligdoiel
You know, Sam, most of the time I agree with your opinions in the game. But if you have such an aversion to interacting with groups of people you probably shouldn't be playing a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.
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I will take that even furher and state that I should be able to walk into any store, anywheres and say "I'll have this, this, this, this and that," and all those items should be absolutely free for me.|
Originally Posted by Flarstux
Hehe, let's stop the debate about Unlocking vs. Purchasing and just all agree that everything should be part of the normal publishes and available from character creation.
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Howver I am confining my remarks to reality, and the reality is that the best costume stuff is mostly bought these days. This economic model is going nowhere. Money is being made off of these booster packs, and wishing them away will acheive nothing.
And I greatly prefer to pay rather than unlock stuff like the Rulaaru weapons.
I will wish good luck to those of you chanting "but everything should be free!" Maybe it should be, but it isnt GOING to be.
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Pretty much this. As I'm sure the scant few people on my friends list who still actually play the game (being a six year vet has filled my list with players years gone) will tell you, I very much do enjoy interacting with people. When I feel like it, if I feel like it, if I enjoy the company of the people I interact with. Just because I enjoy going out with old friends does not mean I enjoy waltzing into a bar by myself and chatting people up. Some enjoy this, but I don't, and I rather like not having to.|
Originally Posted by vulpish_one
At the risk of putting words in Sam's mouth, I think the operative clauses of that sentence were "large masses of people" and "don't like." I personally enjoy interacting with small groups of people that I know (and like), and will often choose to solo rather than join in, say, a Hami raid. But that's just me.
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This doesn't mean I can't, or indeed won't, take part in TFs or events, it means that doing so is the rare exception to the much more common status quo, and if there are things locked behind them that I need to unlock on multiple characters, then it bugs me. It bugs me even more when these things are rare, to boot. I have never to this day, not a single time, been able to unlock the Rikti Weapons on any character I have ever played, and it's been how long since I10? I don't want anything more of that sort.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I will say this right now - Rularuu's Bane is the only truly large sword in the entire game, at least for Male and Huge models. There's nothing to rethink about a concept which requires a large sword when there is only one sword that fits the bill. So I go unlock it. Fair enough. Now suppose I have a character who wouldn't really work without an energy sword. Well I could just unlock it... Except I can't "just" go unlock it. I need to be level 35 first, and then some. What to I use in the meantime? Something that makes the character pointless, no doubt. Catch 22: In order for my character to have the Vanguard sword, he needs to be level 35, but in order for me to be able to stand getting him to level 35, he needs the Vanguard sword. What came first - the chicken or the egg?|
Originally Posted by Lothic
If you've decided that your character concept somehow absolutely relies on one of the very few costume unlocks then you either go unlock it or rethink your character. I can think of millions of character concepts I'll NEVER be able to make because the items don't exist in ANY form in this game but you don't see me people like me harping on that much do you?
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Or here's the other side of the equation, something I've been wrestling with recently. I have a charcter who needs to have a large sword and Stone Armour. Being that Rularuu's Bane is the only sword that fits the bill, that's what I want, but I'm willing to compromise and use something else in the meantime. But I still want to see if I even WANT the character to begin with, so I need to see how he looks with Rularuu's Bane. I can't. It's not available at character creation, even as a preview.
"Well, go to the Architect!" people say. Fair enough, I go to the Architect. There among the weapons is Rularuu's Bane and, sure enough, it looks awesome, far better than all other options for this concept. Well, that's a good start. Let's see if I can match Stone Armour to that look and... Wait, I can't. The Architect doesn't support power customization. Confounded! So I spent probably two days logging into the game to check the architect and logging out to check the editor, back and forth and back and forth, in a process which was far, far more aggravating than it had any reason to be. And even then, I'm still not sure I can even find an alternative.
"So just unlock it already!" you say? Sure, I can do that. I can ask a friend of mine or, hell, even a complete stranger, to basically powerlevel me to that weapon at level 1. I've done it before for my vampire dude, and for the same sword no less. If that's your solution, then I agree with it. But do you see what it does to the very concept of unlockable costume pieces? If the solution is to essentially bypass the system and get it pretty much at creation anyway, what point does it serve as being unlockable? The only thing it does it piss me off. If I want it, I have to jump through hoops, and if I don't want it it's no reward at all. I have, for instance, sold an inordinate number of wing recipes, all listed for 1, not because I don't like the wings, but because none of the characters I have at the time need them, either not fitting their concept or already having said wings.
I'm not speaking hypothetically here. All of that happened. Yesterday, for the most part.
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The astute among you would have noticed I said Sword/Stone, which doesn't exist. Yet. It's not something I must make NOW, but I expect that sooner or later either Stone will be proliferated where Sword is or Sword will be proliferated to Stone. Either way, I can NOT PLAY the character until such an option opens up, but NOT PLAYING the character will not cause costume items to unlock themselves, no matter how long I don't play.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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[Just chiming to share my view, all in fun] 
Lothic, it's all cool and well when there's something that doesn't bother you, but that doesn't mean it's not a legitimately bigger deal (within reason and understanding of all things within a silly video game, make pretend time, nothing really matters vibe) to someone else.
Don't get me wrong... Your main point is completely reasonable and I agree, to a point. If I can't have it in game... Then I can't make it. Period. The thing is... when the pieces do exist in game and you can't get them until level 35... Well, it eventually just becomes a bit silly, to some people.
So, just because I don't care about blah blah blah and never have a problem with it doesn't make it ridiculous for others to have a problem with it and that things can never be changed or done differently in the future.
Now... I actually think having unlockable costume stuffs in games is a good thing. However, I would go about it slightly differently, if I were (What I am not) in charge, hehe.
Just in that I would like to have unlockable costume bits that are more detailed, specific or perhaps a bit more jazzy than more generic versions of the same or similar items that are already available to the players.
As an example... Roman-type pieces: I would have maybe one set of costume pieces available for people who would like to make such a character from the beginning. Just some straight up, somewhat generic bronze-age armor pieces, roman helmet(s) and sandals and skirts and whatnot.
Then I would have more spiffy versions of these things as unlockables from the ITF and such.
Of course, some people would still want those cooler items from character creation (And I do get that point and understand) and so, no, you can't please everyone... I just see having rewards such as that available in game as being good incentive for different styles of players to try things they may not have done otherwise.
Costume junkies may never have done the ITF if it didn't offer costume pieces, hehe.
Still... I would love to see this sort of idea in place... Especially for some of the Vet Reward Costume Pieces (Those are big culprits).
Males have NO shorts... No shorts... Until you unlock the Boxer shorts after 39 months of playing. Hehe, that's a little screwy! 
I'd do the same with samurai pieces. Kilts and trench coats come pretty early... Those aren't huge offenders... Although, I could certainly see that going either way.
Anyways, not a serious issue with me at all, just sharing my thoughts on this topic derail... Weeeee!
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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
I will wish good luck to those of you chanting "but everything should be free!" Maybe it should be, but it isnt GOING to be.
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'server access' nothing in this game is free.
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Hmm, i thought they removed the level restriction in RWZ. Not sure about FBZ though.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Now suppose I have a character who wouldn't really work without an energy sword. Well I could just unlock it... Except I can't "just" go unlock it. I need to be level 35 first, and then some.
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You need to join Vanguard to earn Vanguard merits though, which you can't do until 35
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Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
Hmm, i thought they removed the level restriction in RWZ. Not sure about FBZ though.
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I'm all for Global Costume Pieces as well. I don't mind unlocking it once, but only once. Otherwise I commonly run into a situation where a character in my head relies upon a costume piece I can't actually give to them and the entire thing just winds up not happening at all, or I play with a "gimp" place holder costume until I can actually make them look the way I had envisioned.
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Ah thanks. Hopefully removing that level restriction is next for them to consider since they got one barrier down hehe.
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Originally Posted by ThePill
You need to join Vanguard to earn Vanguard merits though, which you can't do until 35
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See, that would shut me up in an instant. I would be prepared to bust my whiny *** for as long as it takes to unlock all costume pieces, whether I expressly need them at the moment or not. Once. But right now, I have to unlock them many, many times over, once per character more or less. True, not all of my characters would need all unlockable pieces... But I can't know that until I try them on, can I? And even sticking to just the ones I know would benefit from them, that's still dozens of times unlocking the same thing over and over again.|
Originally Posted by Warkupo
I'm all for Global Costume Pieces as well. I don't mind unlocking it once, but only once. Otherwise I commonly run into a situation where a character in my head relies upon a costume piece I can't actually give to them and the entire thing just winds up not happening at all, or I play with a "gimp" place holder costume until I can actually make them look the way I had envisioned.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Which auras are still left online? I only see snow and fireflies...
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Originally Posted by Shadow Wail
Which auras are still left online? I only see snow and fireflies...
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Only SOA's had access to storm aura and only on there first costume slot (E.G. Wolf, Crab, Bane Armor) I haven't logged on today if there was a patch then chances are not any more. However if there was no patch then SOA's with aura missions done should still have access to it.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
See, that would shut me up in an instant. I would be prepared to bust my whiny *** for as long as it takes to unlock all costume pieces, whether I expressly need them at the moment or not. Once. But right now, I have to unlock them many, many times over, once per character more or less. True, not all of my characters would need all unlockable pieces... But I can't know that until I try them on, can I? And even sticking to just the ones I know would benefit from them, that's still dozens of times unlocking the same thing over and over again.
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Two weapons in particular Redside make me rage.
Nemesis Rifles and the Red Cap daggers.
Nem rifle pretty much requires you to take Black Scorpions arc or know someone who has it, and grind it at least ten times to get the required ammount of Fake Nems, because Redside is stingy with them, aside from the Rikti Warzone. Either way requires pretty much grinding missions for them.
The Red Cap daggers are worse. 333 Redcaps, which only appear once a year, or if you happen to be dead lucky and know someone who has the repeatable missions from DJ Zero.
While Blueside has an entire zone of them.
'Just side switch and do it then!'
How about go to hell? I have GR, yes. Some people don't. That is not the sort of thing that should be locked out like that. And even if I can do it, it requires even more time and effort investment just to get to Blueside, even on a character I may not even want to take Rogue/Blueside.
The same is true for the Commander Epaulets, which really shouldn't be locked away like that.
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the auras look neat.
I hope they're part of a paid booster.
alas, they're probably not, which of course will be spun as the devs trying to placate everyone by throwing out some junk for free so they can get back to charging everyone for anything *good* because how dare they try and make money.
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man, I want the fireflies on my female toon so bad
so
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so bad
I'd buy it.
Even if it was just that.
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Thats what I've been hoping for for years! I was very perturbed that the Vanguard bits were held back until level 35, that's just weak. But then they give us the Enforcer bits from level 1, and I'm happy. They are suitable stand ins for the Vanguard armor until I get that far. Sadly they didn't continue this with the Vanguard weapons or the Roman pieces, lame. The only option for a Roman themed character is to either wait until a brief period once a year or level to 35 with a costume that in no way represents your character. Just not acceptable to me.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
[Just chiming to share my view, all in fun]
Now... I actually think having unlockable costume stuffs in games is a good thing. However, I would go about it slightly differently, if I were (What I am not) in charge, hehe. Just in that I would like to have unlockable costume bits that are more detailed, specific or perhaps a bit more jazzy than more generic versions of the same or similar items that are already available to the players. As an example... Roman-type pieces: I would have maybe one set of costume pieces available for people who would like to make such a character from the beginning. Just some straight up, somewhat generic bronze-age armor pieces, roman helmet(s) and sandals and skirts and whatnot. Then I would have more spiffy versions of these things as unlockables from the ITF and rewards such as that available in game as being good incentive for different styles of players to try things they may not have done otherwise. |
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With i18, there is a Villain tip in the level 30-40 range that is full of Red Caps, and a few Tuatha. Plunder the treasure of the Aether, or something like that. They are on the Oranbega map with all the purple colors, where you have to destory a statue/wall at the beginning.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
The Red Cap daggers are worse. 333 Redcaps, which only appear once a year, or if you happen to be dead lucky and know someone who has the repeatable missions from DJ Zero. While Blueside has an entire zone of them.
'Just side switch and do it then!' How about go to hell? I have GR, yes. Some people don't. That is not the sort of thing that should be locked out like that. And even if I can do it, it requires even more time and effort investment just to get to Blueside, even on a character I may not even want to take Rogue/Blueside. |
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The tip itself is called "A Long Line of Spirits." The villain-aligned version has the Red Caps. A single run (soloing set as a team of two) got me about 1/3 of the way to the necessary badge on my Dual Blades villain created in August, so a substantial team, or a few runs through the mission, should unlock the daggers handily.
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Originally Posted by Photonstorm
With i18, there is a Villain tip in the level 30-40 range that is full of Red Caps, and a few Tuatha. Plunder the treasure of the Aether, or something like that. They are on the Oranbega map with all the purple colors, where you have to destory a statue/wall at the beginning.
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Okay, I have gone through a bundle of characters now and while I do find Snow in the auras, there is no sign of fireflies anywhere.
I have Fiery.
I have Flies.
Fireflies should be in between, but isn't. And with the inability to actually set fire to the flies, I'm pretty much stuffed.
Anyone else missing either one?
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Here's the thing with leaks like this: When they accidentally slip through, they don't always cover every character type. But, as the mod upthread noted, it'll be available eventually.
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Originally Posted by Fried Radicals
Okay, I have gone through a bundle of characters now and while I do find Snow in the auras, there is no sign of fireflies anywhere.
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Here's the thing with leaks like this: When they accidentally slip through, they don't always cover every character type. But, as the mod upthread noted, it'll be available eventually.
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Time to wait a wee bit then, and one is still better than none right?
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Originally Posted by Fried Radicals
Hmmm... true enough, but still.. I'd rather have missed Snow
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But yeah the Firefly aura is really pretty cool and I do find myself wishing it had leaked towards being available for females now.
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I've long lobbied for a Storm Armor powerset, but this Storm Aura is even better! Couple that with some low/no FX powersets and you've got a perfect Storm Armor character. Here's to hoping it definitely has two colors (one for clouds, one for lightning) though.