Why don't I like The Hulk ?!?!?!


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I do not mean the movie...or the comic specifically...but the character overall...I could never really get interested in him...the origin is interesting...the battle to keep the monster at bay would be a great narrative but for some reason I have never been able to enjoy the character...

I watched Planet Hulk today for the first time and found myself waiting for someone else to come on screen when ever Hulk was on there...I do like the traditional characters such as Batman and Spider-Man....I have always been a huge Thor fan (been collecting his comics for 27 years)...I enjoy the over exposed characters like Wolverine and Deadpool...I even really liked characters that the majority disliked such as Jean Paul Valley...

But for whatever reason I feel nothing but disdain for the Hulk...do I have a hatred of green I have not noticed before???...


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Nothing wrong with simply not feeling the love, for anything. Personally, I don't like Spider-Man, neither the character, nor the movies, nor any of the games where you could play as him.

I'm pretty indifferent to the Hulk mostly, though he gave me a huge laugh in one of the Capcom Vs. games. At the end of a match that he won, he said something like, "Hulk SMASH! ...Sorry, I couldn't resist."


 

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Do you like the character (any of the portrayals) of the Frankenstein Monster?

The Wolf Man (not werewolves in general)?

Lennie Small, from Of Mice and Men?

...maybe you just aren't into the 'misunderstood/sympathetic monster' or 'large and generally gentle but also unpredictable and dangerous' character archetypes.


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Never cared for the Hulk either... now She-Hulk on the other hand.


 

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There's also the other thing, it appeals to power fantasies. Who, really hasn't as some pointed wanted to go "Forget this!" Hulk out and beat the tar out of someone that really deserves it?


 

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Originally Posted by Kitsune9tails View Post
Do you like the character (any of the portrayals) of the Frankenstein Monster?

The Wolf Man (not werewolves in general)?

Lennie Small, from Of Mice and Men?

...maybe you just aren't into the 'misunderstood/sympathetic monster' or 'large and generally gentle but also unpredictable and dangerous' character archetypes.
I would say the Hulk is closer to a Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde analogy than Frankenstein's Monster.


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I would say the Hulk is closer to a Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde analogy than Frankenstein's Monster.
I dunno, Hyde was actually nasty, Hulk's just misunderstood (in most iterations). Not to say that there isn't parallel of course.

I think it's closer to Frankenstein in that a Doctor creates their "beast" through their own hubris, and even though the monster isn't evil, everyone still wants to kill it, including it's creator.


 

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I like Hulk more when he's not the the main focus. I like Ultimate Hulk during Millar's run because he was used sparingly to give his rampages more significance.


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I don't think there's anything wrong with not particularly liking a specific comic character. Hell, I know people who don't really like Superman, and he's literally the origin of the whole superhero concept!

As for the Hulk, I just find it kinda funny that more than half of his rampages are usually triggered by people coming after him (the military, heroes, villains, etc.). And what's one of the things Hulk almost always shouts when he's being attacked? "Leave Hulk ALONE!!!" He's TELLING you what to do to make him stop smashing stuff, people!

Now, Ultimate Hulk is another story. That guy's just messed up, most of the time.


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The thing that bugs me about the Hulk is the slew of personalities and the juggeling between them depending on the writers preference. Then there is the inconsistencies, Greg Pak I'm looking at you. And his villains are kind of dull. The amount of gamma fueled baddies he is stuck fighting doesn't help matters. I like the Hulk but he is a hard character to keep writing interesting stories for.


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eh, for some, myself included, he is too gokuized. nothing can beat him, nothing can stop him, he is written by some as a walking i win button, so there is no tension, other than within himself. now i haven't read much hulk, didnt care for world war hulk at all, it seemed to confirm my dislike, but im sure i have missed some of his better written stuff, but i lack the incentive to find it because of what is shown being so blandly overpowered. it just seems like a character without a weakness, which is, in turn, dull. wolvie tends to suffer the same issue.


 

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eh, for some, myself included, he is too gokuized. nothing can beat him, nothing can stop him, he is written by some as a walking i win button, so there is no tension, other than within himself.
I never get when people say this about Goku... he's had is fair share of losses and stalemates.

Looking at Z only, he got killed fighting Raditz, defeated Vegeta with a ton of help, trashed the Ginyu squad and only managed to defeat Frieza by going Super Saiyan. He then got ill and didn't really fight again until Cell, whom he admitted was stronger than him and ended up dying while Gohan won the battle. Up against Buu he was outclassed and he knew it, and only defeated him by using a move that draws a small bit of energy from every living thing, not through his actual strength.

Sorry, went off on a bit of a tangent there.


 

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I like the Hulk but he is a hard character to keep writing interesting stories for.
I like the "angry loner" Hulk best, but I can definitely see how he would be hard to write, which is probably why they keep straying from it. It's hard to bring a character into a hero vs. villain plot when the hero just wants to be left alone. Rick Jones can only get captured so many times.

Or sometimes the villain (especially the Leader) would go out and capture the Hulk so "he doesn't get in the way". Even when I was a kid I knew that was ridiculous. You know how to keep the Hulk out of the way? Ignore him! Don't bring him to your secret base so he can can escape and rampage through it!


 

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its more the incremental escalation of power. he uses his ultimate technique, a new enemy comes up, and poof, now he is stronger and uses his more ultimate technique, its there really isnt a clever use of existing techniques, its just pulls a stronger technique out of nowhere, after yelling for several episodes, and poof. It does kind of like tot he hulk and wolvie in that sometimes this isnt true, but it is true enough to turn people off at the "blunt object" style of powering up characters.


 

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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang View Post
I like Hulk more when he's not the the main focus. I like Ultimate Hulk during Millar's run because he was used sparingly to give his rampages more significance.
I don't do it currently because the Hulk books are beyond silly right now, but if I -were- to buy a comic called "Hulk," I would want it to regularly feature a character with Hulk in its name.


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I would say the Hulk is closer to a Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde analogy than Frankenstein's Monster.
In some ways (and incarnations), but when I think of the Hulk, I think of the TV Series/Movie Series/Herb Trimpe - type character: low intelligence, frightening rage, powerful and monstrous in appearance but also with a gentle, childlike nature and a creature that would be harmless and likable if treated gently or at least left alone.

Of course, this would be the iconic Universal Studios monster, not the book monster.


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Planet Hulk and World War Hulk were my favorite Hulk stories in years. The whole Red Hulk thing kind of lost me, but that's wrapping up soon, so who knows where he'll be in the next year.


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I dunno, Hyde was actually nasty, Hulk's just misunderstood (in most iterations). Not to say that there isn't parallel of course.

I think it's closer to Frankenstein in that a Doctor creates their "beast" through their own hubris, and even though the monster isn't evil, everyone still wants to kill it, including it's creator.
In the original novel Frankenstein created his "beast" through rejection and abuse because of the appearance of his newly "born" "child". Hubris had far less to do with it than bad parenting.

But then who reads old books with themes and morals that are slightly more nuanced than "risking the unknown, bad" anyway?


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I haven't read too much of the Hulk, but I liked him in Planet Hulk and The Ultimates (which are miles apart character-wise).


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I personally always liked the hulk because I was able to relate to him. As someone who was a very ticked off teenager who hated my father, I always felt like a ticking time bomb, and just wanted left alone. Like the entire world was against me at times, and I was struggling to keep it all together and not become what I hated. If you watched the Intro to 90s hulk TAS it really captures the feel of the character well. To be backed into a corner with it all coming down on you and the only thing you have left is your rage. That is the hulk.


As for Hulk being stupidly powerful, that's the point of his character.(Granted comics tend to power crept many characters beyond a comfortable level in last 20 years.Animated series and movies tend do a better job of capturing characters while still keeping them beatable and less insane levels.) That almost nothing can stop him when unleashed is exactly why Bruce Banner is so afraid of letting it out. If he was easily stopped then he'd have little to be afraid of. He's afraid that at some point he won't be able to stop himself and tons of people will die. Why he can't stay in one place for long as you knows he can never find peace long as he is the hulk. His power is a curse.

The Hulk like Godzilla is just this force of nature. (and both are powered by radiation, they re very similar in a lot of ways.) He can be both a villain and a hero at the same time. While he is childlike at times, others he wants to destroy everything in sight. Bruce Banner ultimately tries very hard to steer the hulk in the right direction, but he sometimes fails.

I'd recommend watching the Hulk Vs movies as they give a snapshot of the character and are fun to watch. In Hulk vs Thor it puts a face on just what being the hulk costs Bruce, as it was one of the saddest moments I've seen in a long time. You always knew it was holding back. But to see it then have Bruce have it all ripped away and allow himself to be dragged back into the cycle of madness to save the lives of millions showed Bruce Banner is a hero at heart despite it all. A reluctant one, but a hero nonetheless.

Hulk is best when it focuses on psychology of the character than being nothing but a smash fest.(why I actually liked the Ang Lee hulk movie since I felt it did rather well on that side while the newer film was better on the action side.) The smashing is very much a part of his character as nothing sums up being angry like Hulk Smash! but with out the war with in and the alienation of the world around him being part of the story he just becomes a bit dumb loud character of little substance. There's been some great runs of the hulk that really tap into all that and make a very human story.

Sure there's dumb things like Loeb's current run, which the saddest part it could easily been a good story if just handled properly. Every character has a lousy run here and there though, but I wouldn't say it takes too much away from the character's collective wealth of good stories.

I can understand he might not be for everyone. As someone who gets it, he's my kind of character.



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I find the Hulk rather boring too - there's not really much to him
I'm guessing you haven't paid much attention to the character or read anything I said about it. Just a hunch heh.



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...and only managed to defeat Frieza by going Super Saiyan.
Nitpick: Freeza defeated himself when his energy discs backfired. He is then killed by Future Trunks in a subsequent battle


 

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Nitpick: Freeza defeated himself when his energy discs backfired. He is then killed by Future Trunks in a subsequent battle
Frieza was defeated before he threw those energy disks. Goku showed him mercy and then Frieza threw a tantrum over losing and ended up essentially shooting himself in the foot.


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its more the incremental escalation of power. he uses his ultimate technique, a new enemy comes up, and poof, now he is stronger and uses his more ultimate technique, its there really isnt a clever use of existing techniques, its just pulls a stronger technique out of nowhere, after yelling for several episodes, and poof. It does kind of like tot he hulk and wolvie in that sometimes this isnt true, but it is true enough to turn people off at the "blunt object" style of powering up characters.
Theres more to it then that. For one, Goku trains (Alot), wears weighted clothing, ect. We even saw how he and Gohan had to spend a years worth of time training in the Hyperbolic time chamber just to get to the point he could take on Cell (And still wasn't strong enough to defeat him then). At the same time, Goku and Vegeta (Both being Saiyans) also get stronger with each defeat, coming back more powerfull each time they recover from death/near death. (In fact, the same appears to be true for the Halfblooded Saiyans like Gohan, Goten, and Trunks).

At the same time, we've also seen Goku train to overcome weaknesses. An example of this was when Goku had Gohan and Himself spend the entire time in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber in Super Saiyan mode, so that it became as natural to them as anything else. This elemenated the weakness of causing their reactions to slow down as they became more powerfull (An issue Trunks first discovered for himself when going up against an Imperfect Cell). So it's not that it's stuff just being pulled out the ***, without any real explanations.