Anime ruining Comic Books?

Have to say: NO.
then again, I'm mostly an equal opportunity geek. and a huge Shonen / Giant Robot anime / manga fan.

OP has STILL not explained why he doesn't like anime.

If anything comics are ruining manga and anime >.>

Manga and Anime in general is just better than Comics and Cartoons in terms of story, characters, and in number of other ways.

The main things that are better in Comics/Cartoons than Manga/anime are they hide their tropes better and generally speaking, the animation is better on a technical level. Also the characters are a bit more iconic it seems.

I don't care about the art style as there is an equal amount of diversity and shlock and I appreciate the styles for what they are.

The biggest problem with Comics is they are pretty much just a large compilation of crappy stories with some good stories mixed in and this is because a majority of the time they don't have a direction. They just sorta tell mini stories till they come up with something which takes anywhere between a year to 5...

Anime and Manga are purely a literary style. Comics are the same, but most of it is superhero based. If you can think of a particular subject, then you can find an anime or manga that deals with it. The same thing can't be said about Comics. I have heard of a bread-making manga/anime, but I have not heard of a bread-making comic.

The main advantage that Anime and Manga have over Comics is that there is only one person in charge of it. Comics are usually longer lasting and have more than one person in charge over its lifespan. If you enjoy the writing style of one writer, then the Comic can be ruined when their successor comes around. Also, writers like to modify their projects to their own tastes so it requires to be retconned a bit. Retcons happen with Animes as well, but they are rare and results in a new anime that is closer to the manga than the original anime since the storyline doesn't catch up. Fullmetal Alchemist, Dragonball Z, and Claymore are animes that have gone or are undergoing this process.

The bread making anime/manga, Yakitate!! Japan is a fun spin on the classic sports/rivals genre with numerous parody elements from anime/manga classics. I remember an episode that parodied Fist of the Northstar that had me rolling of the floor. Plus it has baking tips at the end of each episode.

For all the characters from Manga and Anime being pointed out, I think we're missing someone. Someone who's Mickey Mouse class on its own.

Pikachu

Now, granted, the electric mouse here DID appear first in a video game. As generic monster #25. But after being turned into an anime, a manga, another manga, several feature length movies, a toy, a plush toy, a Wolksvagen, a parade float, a bath towel, a bikini, and who knows what else, I think the little yellow thing qualifies.

I mean, if I write "Pi-pikachu! PikaCHU!" you all just heard Pikachu's voice say that. And half of you would read that as Pikachu attacking with electricity. I'll say this pokémon is iconic enough.

I... I really did read that in his voice. But his fierce "I'm having an argument about srs bsns" voice, not fighting. So no attacks.

In as much as cartoons have anything to do with leading kids to or from comic-books, perhaps the means of delivery and consumption of animation for kids is something to do with it. I know that when I was a nipper the cartoons on TV were almost entirely imported from the US. There were the Hanna-Barbera and Terrytoon comedies, of course, but there were also an awful lot of stuff that was comparable to the adventure stories I read in comics, and the art styles weren't dissimilar either. No surprise, given that the budgets and schedules for Spider-Man, or Rocket Robin Hood, or any of the Filmation stuff, were as murderously short and tight as they were for anything churned out by DC or Marvel in those days.

These days there's very, very little like that anywhere for kids. Right now, the only American cartoons I can think of that might approach the traditional adventure and action of those earlier American cartoons are Ben 10 (and I'm quite prepared to accept that Cartoon Network farm out the animation to Korea just like a ot of other companies) and Star Wars: The Clone Wars, whose style is way different from traditional comic book and closer, I'd suggest, to something like those paintings of heroes on Ancient Greek vases.

Cartoons these days - at least here in the UK - tend to be of the comedy kind, like Chowder or Johnny Test. Some of those demonstrate relatively experimental visual styles and a lot are very funny and really pretty good. Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Dexter's Laboratory and, yes, The Powerpuff Girls, were all pretty groundbreaking in their day, well written, and each had a decent visual style. I think, though, that their styles all lend themselves to comedy, rather than the action/adventure of earlier times.

In as much as animation has any influence at all on widespread reading trends, maybe it's not anime that's driving kids to pursuits other than reading comics, but the absence of traditional action/adventure cartoons, which means they have one thing less that might lead them to seek out that action/adventure in comic-book form.

But the very real bee in my bonnet about all this is that kids aren't reading comic-books because comic-books are just not suitable for kids anymore. Have you been to a comic-book store recently and shopped with any confidence for material you'd be happy to give to an 8 year-old? 10 year-old? My kid does indeed read comic books, but he reads a tpb with Lee & Kirby's old work in it and get the same sense of wonder and excitement that kids got from it way back when. I don't think it's anime that has ruined comic-books. I think the industry did that itself, and shows no real sign of changing.

You all make great points and i am changing my mind on the matter to be honest, i will give manga and anime a go because it is only fair i suppose. If so many people like it then there must be something to shine. What are your favourite manga's and anime's for reference.. i would prefer it in comic/written form however.

And yes out of all those people you have listed i only know of Pikachu.. obviously this is because i don't know a thing about its iconic figures. I guess it just hasn't had the attention to that of a comic book hero.

Also bindweed thanks for your post it was very interesting. I think i have to agree now with most of your points when taking the other's into consideration also.

Thanks ketch, i will write it down and look for it tomorrow. Appreciate the help!

here's a chuckle for you >.>

Animaniacs and the DCAU cartoons... those were written and story boarded in america, but they were animated in asia... just like just about everything else nowadays...

TMNT 2003 and TMNT classic both done in asia

Just about anything good you can think of from your childhood that is asian animated.

The crapilly animated shows produced in your childhood were, as they are now, the only animated shows animated in america.

The only good animation you see coming out of america is Disney because Disney animators are bat-**** nuts. They have a rule that every frame must differ from every other frame in the movie... meaning that every second of film that you see you are literally seeing at least 30 things move.


Story wise. There are some good stories in Comics, don't get me wrong, but for the most they are just crap or mediocre at best. While in Manga most are mediocre to really great and there is a reason for this. It's a simple matter of logistics Comics don't have dedicated teams that last and they are usually not working on their own from the ground up story so this disallows for really impressive story arcs and it's more fan fiction than anything else at this point... Not to mention because of this turn over a lot of crappy people get on books as a test run or something while in Manga you pretty much build up your own story and remain on it till your done and most of the testing phase is done in one shots or in a form that is more of a niche than anything else so the top and middle always looks better.

Basically Comics let the schlock get to the top and the very they conduct business is and for the overall process while Manga keeps the schlock at bottom for the most part and the overall process is more conducive to better stories. Especially with the You stop producing sales you get fired mentality they have.


Comic characters vs Manga characters... Now the thing here is that Comic characters have usually been around for more than 20 years so even if they are pretty ****** character they are going to have depth and be more than 1 dimensional, but most Comic characters are one dimensional for a very long period in their history. Where on the other hand Manga characters have to show depth pretty much right away because that's what we expect and one dimensional characters are spotted rapidly because we're more used to a multi-faceted character and so when we see dull characters in Manga we think that's they're worse than comic characters, when usually the comic characters have just been around for a really long time and were worse when they began.


As far as cartoons vs anime...the same arguments apply but even more so because the majority of cartoons are schlock, visuals with social commentary, or have a background in the comics... those that don't are comedic 5 min shorts and have little depth to them overall... and they are almost all centered at kids. So anime wins pretty much hands down for this point.

When you get right down to it the best pure cartoons are Bug Bunny and the Warner Brothers stuff or Disney animated films which are largely rip offs. How does that compare say Voltron, Speed Racer, or ThunderCats. They're very far apart and hard to compare but if we're looking at the full picture I'd have to give it to Anime and not Cartoons.