War witch we have a code red lame alert!
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Posted on: 2010-09-04 17:01 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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No, the numbers are not inherently lame. You just THINK they are lame. There seems to be widespread disagreement with your position. I certainly disagree.
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Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
umm war witch said in an interview that her job was to make sure (i'll get the quote when i feel like it) things are not lame and these numbers = lame/boring/unfun.
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Am I to understand that this "lame" thread, and several other "lame" threads created by this overly "lame" using OP is all about (lame, er...lol) PvP?
How lame is that? 
Since I have only run the Respec trials once or twice because a character I had could have used a respec (more for the badges and rewards), I don't see any problem with the costs of Respec recipes. I will never buy one, regardless of the currency I have available. I will never need one.
As for "farming" the Morality missions. Why? They're fun to play.
If I don't have fun, I don't play.
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Well, as long as you choose to post as a self-righteous tough guy, then expect people to lose all sympathy for your "plight."|
Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
i'll post in what manner i choose. umm war witch said in an interview that her job was to make sure (i'll get the quote when i feel like it) things are not lame and these numbers = lame/boring/unfun.
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These recipes are rare and expensive. This is not intended to be a "good" way to get them. Deal with it.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Hmm...I think you're right -- they look way too cheap, don't they?|
Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
PURPLE RECIPE FREE METHOD
40 days and 220 missions later = 20 hvams PVP RECIPE (30 hvam version) FREE METHOD 60 days and 330 missions later = 30 hvams what does this fine community think about these numbers? |
A while back, we were told that we'd never be able to buy purples with merits because it wasn't possible for the characters to carry enough merits to equal the value of a purple. Now, that doesn't let us know what the devs thought they *were* worth, but it gives us a floor of 10,000 merits.
Now there's a known conversion rate for the new merits, of 50 merits = 1 A-merit. Being generous, since there's the added inf payment if you choose to go the route of buying extra A-merits, then the absolute *minimum* a purple should cost is 50 A-merits.
Using the ratio the devs have set up above, that makes the minimum value of a PVP recipe 75 A-merits.
And who knows what the real merit value the devs had in mind was? Just as with the rare recipes, we're getting a pretty nice discount, I'd say.
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I think that Respec Recipes aren't worth the price. Not just with the numbers you gave us in your opening post, but at the Market as well.|
Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
RESPEC RECIPE FREE METHOD
20 days and 110 missions later = 10 hvams RESPEC RECIPE 1/2 FREE 1/2 PAID METHOD 10 days and 55 missions and 250 merits and 100 mil inf later = 10 hvams PURPLE RECIPE FREE METHOD 40 days and 220 missions later = 20 hvams PURPLE RECIPE 1/2 FREE 1/2 PAID METHOD 20 days and 110 missions and 500 merits and 200 mil inf later = 20 hvams PVP RECIPE (30 hvam version) FREE METHOD 60 days and 330 missions later = 30 hvams PVP RECIPE (30 hvam version) 1/2 FREE 1/2 PAID METHOD 30 days and 165 missions and 750 merits and 300 mil inf later = 30 hvams what does this fine community think about these numbers? |
With just plain building your character halfway decently to start with (they allow us access to the real numbers of each power ahead of time), followed by freespecs whenever the powers change much, I don't see why there is such a demand for them. Nevermind adding Vetspecs into the mix or that third-party build designers (Yeah, I'm talking about Mid's, etc.) are available.
They could up the drop rate for the recipes a bit, but there's always the option of running the Respec TF/SFs.
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I've never understood the strange addiction that certain people have to respeccing their characters either.|
Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
I think that Respec Recipes aren't worth the price. Not just with the numbers you gave us in your opening post, but at the Market as well.
With just plain building your character halfway decently to start with (they allow us access to the real numbers of each power ahead of time), followed by freespecs whenever the powers change much, I don't see why there is such a demand for them. Nevermind adding Vetspecs into the mix or that third-party build designers (Yeah, I'm talking about Mid's, etc.) are available. They could up the drop rate for the recipes a bit, but there's always the option of running the Respec TF/SFs. |
To me, all to power and slotting choices I made while levelling a character are part of what gives that character its *character*.
That's why my original and main toon is still in an Issue 4/5 spec so far as slot allocation goes, so that means 6 slotted Quick Recovery, Stamina and Hasten. It's why my SS/Invuln Brute has Handclap, even though I've maybe used it 10 times in anger since Issue 6.
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I don't have any characters at I-4 style builds, but I only have one character that might have burnt all of his vetspecs. And that's "might have". It was a L50 Crab (obviously not that old of a character) whom I wanted to pull all of the IO's out of his second build and wasn't going to buy respec Recipes, nor had he done the Respec TFs.
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You fail to see how lame it is that an adult uses the word 'lame' in the way you do.|
Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
yes you fail to see the issue with how lame these numbers are.
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A post explaining the great discrepancies in amount of work needed in the different paths to the same reward is laudable and should be taken seriously.
Calling it a 'code red lame alert' is just juvenile.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
I have gotten several purples in the course of getting my PvP IO. Which admittedly I haven't gotten yet, but by the time I do I'll probably have earned enough inf to buy a second one. It's still fun, especially the one with the wave after wave of Malta, the one with the Nazis and the one where I rescue Ravenstorm and he aggros the whole room and dies.
I'm not going to get a respec recipe because I don't need them, I have several unused vetspecs and if those run out I can do a trial. I use Mids. |
possibly getting purples along the way of doing 200 some missions over and over and over again is not the point. its about the over and over and over time or time/cost vs reward being lame.
A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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Originally Posted by Black_Barrier
Guess it's hard to click while actively trying to keep the drool away from the keyboard...
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i think the numbers are lame and im pretty sure others think so as well when they look at them. |
Originally Posted by Ironblade
No, the numbers are not inherently lame. You just THINK they are lame. There seems to be widespread disagreement with your position. I certainly disagree.
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i would hardly call the same 5 people who follow my threads around and disagree just because its me as "widespread".
its cute though really. it does not bother me, just makes posting here interesting and fun.
you all can disagree as much as you want but i still get my message out there and that is the main point to posting.
A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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Originally Posted by Black_Barrier
Guess it's hard to click while actively trying to keep the drool away from the keyboard...
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O_I, just use the market and you don't have to go through farming stuff. stop being a 2 year old about things. all you are doing is bringing negative attention to yourself and the community you are trying to speak for.
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Eh, More of us may just see this thread as too trivial to waste time on.|
Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
i think the numbers are lame and im pretty sure others think so as well when they look at them.
i would hardly call the same 5 people who follow my threads around and disagree just because its me as "widespread". its cute though really. it does not bother me, just makes posting here interesting and fun. you all can disagree as much as you want but i still get my message out there and that is the main point to posting. |
I'm just driven to respond because it's sad to see this thread title stay on the front page for as long as it has.
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can you please explain in greater detail how you think the time/prices for 1 respec, 1 purple or pvp IO is reasonable compared?|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
In your lame opinion it's lame. Right, got it.
i think the prices are fairly reasonable. So what if it's cheaper to buy some (respec, natch) recipes on the market than by using VampireHAMS? The same is also true for most recipes that can be purchased using regular merits. But don't let that stop you. Quick, use lame again a few times to increase the amount of lame in your posts. (i'd forgotten that people still used lame. i thought it was a pretty dated term. Apparently it's coming back into vogue? *huh*) |
or are you just going to keep trying to insult me and eventually post a statement agreeing in a different manner when it suits your purpose (wanting freespec stacking for IO swapping but not for forced power changes and only have 1 freespec for 2 builds)?
A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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Originally Posted by Black_Barrier
Guess it's hard to click while actively trying to keep the drool away from the keyboard...
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I don't consider it "lame", but I do have trouble getting myself interested enough to even worry about getting the first alignment merit on anyone. I've been playing through the arcs and reading them (or actual side switching) instead... and if I wanted purple drops I'd simply get my SS/FA and kill things by the dozens in far less time than it used to take.
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the only thing juvenile is that you are here to insult me and not really contribute to the topic.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
You fail to see how lame it is that an adult uses the word 'lame' in the way you do.
A post explaining the great discrepancies in amount of work needed in the different paths to the same reward is laudable and should be taken seriously. Calling it a 'code red lame alert' is just juvenile. |
A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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Originally Posted by Black_Barrier
Guess it's hard to click while actively trying to keep the drool away from the keyboard...
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because the topic doesn't matter that much?|
Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
the only thing juvenile is that you are here to insult me and not really contribute to the topic.
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there isn't really anything wrong with it. it just another way to acquire something. is it suppose to be a better way to get them? no but it is another route for those who wish to take it.
Positron's i13 letter: We are trying to make PvP more accessible to new players, while giving experienced PvP'ers the advantage that comes with formulating tactics around the new systems we're putting in place. PvP from now on will be on our priority list. If something isn't working out, we'll be in there tweaking it and making it work, for the entire future of the product, not just Issue 13.
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i went through alignment missions on all of my toons and after the first couple it became very uniteresting. then i got to thinking how uninteresting/boring/lame it would be to even earn a respec using this method considering the amount of time it took to take my toons through roughly equaled the time it would take to get 1 respec using this method, let alone getting some of the "phat loot" available.|
Originally Posted by Siolfir
I don't consider it "lame", but I do have trouble getting myself interested enough to even worry about getting the first alignment merit on anyone. I've been playing through the arcs and reading them (or actual side switching) instead... and if I wanted purple drops I'd simply get my SS/FA and kill things by the dozens in far less time than it used to take.
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there are different (not necessarily better as far as game play is concerned) and less time consuming ways to achieve these rewards. this system, among others, should be reevaluated for the fun factor so players can actually play the game and earn rewards at a resonable rate.
A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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Originally Posted by Black_Barrier
Guess it's hard to click while actively trying to keep the drool away from the keyboard...
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OLD WAY OF GETTING RESPEC: Vetspec [if any], respec trial, buy with real money, buy on market, use freespecs.
NEW WAY OF GETTING RESPEC:Vetspec [if any], respec trial, buy with real money, buy on market, use freespecs, or run way to many missions.
OLD WAY OF GETTING PVP IOs: PVP, buy on market.
NEW WAY OF GETTING PVP IOs: PVP, buy on market, run [probably] way too many missions.
OLD WAY OF GETTING PURPLES: Beat level 50 critters by the division, buy on market.
NEW WAY OF GETTING PURPLES: Beat level 50 critters by the division, buy on market, run way too many missions.
Bring back the old way!
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A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
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Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Don't let the doorknob hit you on the way out.
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The doorknob is lame
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When I first saw this topic I thought "War Witch is wearing red lamé? I'm ok with that...."