Where in the USA is Pretoria?
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Posted on: 2010-09-02 13:29 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Why does it have to be in the USA at all?
Actually I think it might be kind of funny if Praetoria is what Cole did to the Etoile Islands(Rogue Isles)
In fact thinking about it that makes even more sense what with Marchand being there and all.
I'm not sure I've seen where Praetoria is supposed to exist on Praetorian Earth. The Rogue Isles could make sense.
I guess you'd first have to assume that Praetorian Earth is 100% identical land-mass wise to Primal Earth. Sure we know many of the key people (like Emperor Cole) match up with their Prime Earth analogs but does that mean their planet is also identical to Prime Earth? I don't know unless a Dev has said it is. 
Basically it would be the Devs' call regardless.
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There's an old homeless person in the underground which places Praetoria within the former United States of America. You come across him in one of the VERY early missions. I just can't remember which path. I believe that there are other references which strongly imply that Praetoria is in the United States.
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Originally Posted by DMystic
Why does it have to be in the USA at all?
Actually I think it might be kind of funny if Praetoria is what Cole did to the Etoile Islands(Rogue Isles) In fact thinking about it that makes even more sense what with Marchand being there and all. |
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My theory is that even though the land doesn't match up, Praetoria City is the Praetorian Paragon City, therefore Praetoria is in what was Rhode Island. Of course, the land could be transformed because of Hamidon.
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Actually, I did hear from somewhere in game that Praetoria is built over the ruins of Paragon City after it was nuked in the Hamidon Wars.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
There's an old homeless person in the underground which places Praetoria within the former United States of America. You come across him in one of the VERY early missions. I just can't remember which path. I believe that there are other references which strongly imply that Praetoria is in the United States.
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Once again, Pretoria is located in South Africa.
Praetoria is in an alternate dimension, somewhere over the ruins of America.
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This is what I think too. And the change in geography can be explained by the Hamidon Wars. In some of the Paragon City zones we can see how the Devouring Earth have impacted the land, so I wouldn't be surprised if the landmasses of the world have been drastically changed on Praetorian Earth.
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Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
My theory is that even though the land doesn't match up, Praetoria City is the Praetorian Paragon City, therefore Praetoria is in what was Rhode Island. Of course, the land could be transformed because of Hamidon.
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Eh, i prefer to think of it as being somewhere around Louisiana or Florida. Or possibly the general vicinity of where DC was.
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Originally Posted by Haggard4Life
This is what I think too. And the change in geography can be explained by the Hamidon Wars. In some of the Paragon City zones we can see how the Devouring Earth have impacted the land, so I wouldn't be surprised if the landmasses of the world have been drastically changed on Praetorian Earth.
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Must have been a change in climate as well for all those palm trees to be growing in Rhode Island.|
Originally Posted by Haggard4Life
This is what I think too. And the change in geography can be explained by the Hamidon Wars.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
There's an old homeless person in the underground which places Praetoria within the former United States of America. You come across him in one of the VERY early missions. I just can't remember which path. I believe that there are other references which strongly imply that Praetoria is in the United States.
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Must have been a change in climate as well for all those palm trees to be growing in Rhode Island.
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Originally Posted by Haggard4Life
This is what I think too. And the change in geography can be explained by the Hamidon Wars. In some of the Paragon City zones we can see how the Devouring Earth have impacted the land, so I wouldn't be surprised if the landmasses of the world have been drastically changed on Praetorian Earth.
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Yeah I'm pretty sure a Praetorian globe would be unrecognizable.
YEah I'm betting that the Preatorian world itself looks nothing like Primal earth, let alone having the USA being the USA.
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YEah I'm betting that the Preatorian world itself looks nothing like Primal earth, let alone having the USA being the USA.
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It is in fact. I was so sad after talking to him. The idea that the greatest experiment in freedom, plurality, and diversity this world has ever known could be destroyed made me hate Cole all the more.
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I thought Petoria was in Quahog, RI, and consisted of a single house.
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Originally Posted by Cipher
Once again, Pretoria is located in South Africa.
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I always thought it was in Mexico, southern Texas near the gulf, or southern Cali near the Pacific.
If you look at Tyrant's bio it says his fight with Hami happened right after the Mexicans tried nuking it when it got into Mexico via the southern border:
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And from the Praetoria Overview, it says that Praetoria is built on the site of Hami's defeat:|
A giant monster had appeared somewhere in South America and was destroying every Praetorian Guard unit that encountered it. Entire cities were being leveled and the thing was moving steadily north toward Central America. When it crossed into Mexico, the Mexican government let loose with a small, but devastating stockpile of nuclear weapons they had purchased from America. They had no effect. This was what Cole was destined for. Not wishing to see more of his Praetorian Guard killed, he went alone to face off against the beast. It was to be a showdown that would be remembered for all time. ... Then, with a clap of thunder, the energy field around Cole shattered and the great beast shuddered, lumbered away, and then collapsed. Cole had defeated the beast, but he had also learned much more from his brief joining of minds. |
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And while I know people will chime in and write this off as propaganda, what else do we have to go on? Going by the hobo's accounts of Praetoria being in what used to be the USA, then southern Texas or Cali, or even Louisiana as some have suggested, would make sense.
I also want to note that it's interesting that the Praetoria overview specifically mentions that it's the site of Cole's first defeat of Hami. And now I wonder if this wasn't a bit of a poorly-worded reference to Cole's first victory against the Devouring Earth in his campaign against them, and not Hamidon himself. If so, then yeah, Praetoria could be just about anywhere in the US, as per hobo-man.
It would be really nice if we could get a dev to chime in and actually tell us where Praetoria is. Or maybe someone could ask at PAX?
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
It is in fact. I was so sad after talking to him. The idea that the greatest experiment in freedom, plurality, and diversity this world has ever known could be destroyed made me hate Cole all the more.
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We're talking about a United States that elected general MacArthur as President, a US government that heeded his words and nuked the North and South Korean borders when our own people (including one who was supposed to be our greatest hero) would still be caught in the blast as well as the people we were fighting for, a United States that authorized use of nuclear weapons on our own country!
The sad fact is, it may be possible that Cole didn't change that much at all, just who was in charge.
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Originally Posted by Kyasubaru
Going by the hobo's accounts of Praetoria being in what used to be the USA, then southern Texas or Cali, or even Louisiana as some have suggested, would make sense.
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I'll go one further and say that Praetorian Earth never split from Pangea. So, if our North America was still connected to the African continent, the weather might be able to support tropical vegitation since most of North America would be a lot closer to the equator.|
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Must have been a change in climate as well for all those palm trees to be growing in Rhode Island.
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Sounds like an old video game but Where in the USA is Praetoria?
If I had to guess, I would say Lake Pontchartrain in Louisiana. This is a saltwater lake that is relatively shallow which would be suitable for creating the artificial islands that make up Pretoria. The local area would probably grow lots of trees after Hamidon "Edened" over New Orleans.
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