So what do you want to know about the new merits?
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Airhammer,
Posted on: 2010-08-10 11:58 in The Market and Inventions
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Your calculations are all fine, but there's an assumption in there that the merits will have to be earned fresh. I've got...a thousand? two thousand? merits sitting on my main hero because I can't be bothered to roll them into level 50 recipes that neither I nor the market need. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone. At the current prices, 700,000,000 for a +Def PVP IO looks like a bargain, so I'm curious to see what happens a couple of months after GR hits.
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Originally Posted by Shadow Ravenwolf
Option #2
35 Days for Cooldown Timers 35 Sister Psyche TFs 2 hours per day 70 Hours of Play 700,000,000 Inf Spent |
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Originally Posted by Yomo_Kimyata
City of Purples and Oranges...
We are one step closer to getting lvl 25 LOTG +7.5% when you complete outbreak/breakout. |
At least they didn't go with the original version 25 merits+ 10 million inf + 50 vanguard merits = 1 Alignment merit.
Although it would have been fun to see RWZ4 and 24/7 mothership raids on freedom.
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Well, in theory. Are folks going to really earn these that efficiently? And if they do, are they going to use them? I mean, we've heard the stories of folks sitting on thousands of merits because they either don't like them, don't need them, or are too lazy to cash them in and sell the recipes.|
Originally Posted by macskull
Basically, these changes are going to cause the prices on pool C/D recipes to floor. Purples and PvP IOs will be largely unaffected. I'd say "start selling your rares" but I'm sure it's probably too late by this point.
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I *think* I'm happy about this from the standpoint of playing a level 50. Normally I move on to a new alt when I reach 50, but I haven't been lately. My Ill/TA is fun, and for once I figured I'd go for some purple sets, so I've stuck with playing him. I can't always join a TF but I still want merits, so I have to get them through Oroboros. Ok fine, lots of content there. But, you know I'd really like to keep fighting 50s for a shot at purples. Well, this limits things some. So I do things like Unai, again. Which of course locks me in TF mode so I can't do anything else even if I want to.
This, hopefully, provides an alternative to that. I can do tip and morality missions at my leisure, w/o getting tied up with long arcs, while still working towards random rolls.
(now if they could give some sort of similar rewards with bank missions....)
Suggestions:
Super Packs Done Right
Influence Sink: IO Level Mod/Recrafting
Random Merit Rolls: Scale cost by Toon Level
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Yes, I hate knowing secret stuff about market changes because then I won't use it in Live so it freezes my activities until it is public.|
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Hey SwellGuy, feel relieved to get that off your chest?
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[edit] oh and Bill and Ted images are excellent!
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
Here are the two things that give me quiet joy:
1) First mission: you get an Alignment Merit and NEGATIVE 20 million inf. It's an inf sink with every new character. If the inf-burning turns out to be a regular thing, which I expect it will, even better!
2) 1 AM = 5 rares. One person can generate a signficant amount of sub-50 rare recipes. Midlife Crisis [I'd like to refer to it as "my unstoppable army" but I have almost nothing to do with it] can generate even MORE.
MWA HA HAH!
Edited: not so quiet. Oops.
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I just discovered there is a timer on tips which I had never encountered in my testing.
Apparently 1 tip mission per 30 real time minutes so the fastest way will be to have a character do 1, then logout to another, then another and if you were fast enough yet another. Then return to character 1 and rinse, wash, repeat until you have finished all 5 for each character.
So they have made it a bit more annoying to do than logging in a character, running the 5, logging in the next character, running the 5, etc.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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I think that is either or. |
Originally Posted by Fulmens
Here are the two things that give me quiet joy:
1) First mission: you get an Alignment Merit and NEGATIVE 20 million inf. It's an inf sink with every new character. If the inf-burning turns out to be a regular thing, which I expect it will, even better! |
You can either burn 50 regurlar merits and 20 million for one Alignment merit or you can get one alignment merit through the missions.
You can still be happy, inf will still be burned like never before.
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Where did you see this timer? It was in an older version of the beta but has been removed since.
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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
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I just discovered there is a timer on tips which I had never encountered in my testing. Apparently 1 tip mission per 30 real time minutes so the fastest way will be to have a character do 1, then logout to another, then another and if you were fast enough yet another. Then return to character 1 and rinse, wash, repeat until you have finished all 5 for each character. So they have made it a bit more annoying to do than logging in a character, running the 5, logging in the next character, running the 5, etc. |
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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
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I just discovered there is a timer on tips which I had never encountered in my testing. Apparently 1 tip mission per 30 real time minutes so the fastest way will be to have a character do 1, then logout to another, then another and if you were fast enough yet another. Then return to character 1 and rinse, wash, repeat until you have finished all 5 for each character. So they have made it a bit more annoying to do than logging in a character, running the 5, logging in the next character, running the 5, etc. |
As noted above, the 6/16 patch removed the 30-minute timer. Does not exist now.
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As noted in 2 prior posts, there is no 30 minute timer. It was removed in a Beta patch on 6/16.
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Originally Posted by Shadow Ravenwolf
Now how much time is involved in this?
[snipped quote about 30 minute timer] I see 60-90 minutes to do the 5 tip mishs... Ok, so it will take about 2.5-3 hours per day to stay on track. Sister Psyche takes about 2 hours to run for 50 Reward Merits once a day. |
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I must have misread what someone posted about it. I got into beta after that so I thought they were talking about something new. Whew. Glad to see that I was wrong.
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Originally Posted by Caulderone
As noted in 2 prior posts, there is no 30 minute timer. It was removed in a Beta patch on 6/16.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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My understanding, which may easily be wrong, is that the first mission gives you 50 regular merits, which you could turn into one AM by spending 20 million inf. |
Originally Posted by B_L_Angel
I think that is either or.
You can either burn 50 regurlar merits and 20 million for one Alignment merit or you can get one alignment merit through the missions. You can still be happy, inf will still be burned like never before. |
So I think of it as one AM and -20 million inf .
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That's valid but it is optional. You could just keep and use the 50 reward merits if you (not you, Fulmens but the generic 'you') were tight with the 20M inf.|
Originally Posted by Fulmens
My understanding, which may easily be wrong, is that the first mission gives you 50 regular merits, which you could turn into one AM by spending 20 million inf.
So I think of it as one AM and -20 million inf . |
As for me that means you will see me destroy around 2 billion if I am doing the math right (100 characters x 20M).
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I'm kind of curious, myself, to know how much inf is going to get destroyed in the first big surge. I'm betting on something like 3 trillion inf (20 million x 150,000 characters) which would neatly match the amount of inf in the system, total, before the market gave us a reason to accumulate.
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Isn't Castle the powers guy? Isn't someone else responsible for drop rates?|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
And for many either option is better than actually pvping (lol) for the completely random (with god aweful-I-don't-know-what-the-hell-Castle-was-thinking drop rate) drop.
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Not that it really matters, but it doesn't seem right to dis a guy for something he's not responsible for, since he genuinely seems to always want to do the right thing.
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Isn't Synapse the 'rewards' dev?
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Originally Posted by Rodion
Isn't Castle the powers guy? Isn't someone else responsible for drop rates?
Not that it really matters, but it doesn't seem right to dis a guy for something he's not responsible for, since he genuinely seems to always want to do the right thing. |
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Dude! Please let me know when you're going to joke like this! I darned near spit perfectly good root beer all over my monitor!
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Originally Posted by Yomo_Kimyata
I guess there is now a price cap on everything, since everything is convertible and fungible? I wish that they would just cut inf generation by 90%, but that's just me.
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Originally Posted by Fulmens
I'm kind of curious, myself, to know how much inf is going to get destroyed in the first big surge. I'm betting on something like 3 trillion inf (20 million x 150,000 characters) which would neatly match the amount of inf in the system, total, before the market gave us a reason to accumulate.
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Considering the fact that reward merits are needed for this - a typical TF for a level 50 toon might generate between 6-14 million. The actual inf. Removed may be in the 3 trillion range sure, but it won't all be from the current pile of inf. available. I'd say it will only burn half of what you might expect.
I am an ebil markeeter and will steal your moneiz ...correction stole your moneiz. I support keeping the poor down because it is impossible to make moneiz in this game.
I'm pretty happy I managed to dump a bunch of soon-to-be-depreciated uniques I was sitting on for Big Payback's final respec for current market prices.
He's nosing around the inf cap now, I'm wondering if I should invest some of it in PvP IOs....
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I think people will see that they can buy purps and PvP IOs without using the market and use these as a goal for their playing. They probably won't all do the math to figure out how long it will take, but i see demand for purps and PvPIos dropping at first until people get frustrated of waiting, at which point we'll start seeing price spikes as suddenly people have enough inf from playing at least 5 missions a day for a month and having lost their patience with the A-merit system that they say "eff it" and start making bids.
So buy up purps and get ready to unload them in a month, i guess.
-STEELE =)
Allied to all sides so that no matter what, I'll come out on top!
Oh, and Crimson demands you play this arc-> Twisted Knives (MA Arc #397769)
Okay laid out Payback's whole 1.8 billion bankroll on selected PvP IO's.
We'll see if I get any hits before Marketgeddon.
He also has several hundred 'good' crafted bronze roll melee IOs in storage, ready for that herd of kinetic melee players to come a-calling...
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I'm not talking about effort here, I'm talking about psychology. To the average player, three hours of running missions falls into the mental category of "fun", and is a good thing. Ten minutes of marketeering falls into the mental classification of "work", and is a bad thing.
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Originally Posted by Talen Lee
Ten minutes of marketing isn't work. The hour or two of reading required to learn how to marketeer well... that's where the work comes in.
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I think you're missing one important point: Everyone who wants an A-Merit from their morality mission doesn't get one on their first run, they get 50 R-Merits instead. So if they want their A-Merit, they have to burn 20 mil to get it. Or they could wait 2 days instead, and run another mission. But if they did that, they'd have one A-Merit, whereas someone who converted the original 50 R-Merits would have 2.
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Originally Posted by Lohenien
Considering the fact that reward merits are needed for this - a typical TF for a level 50 toon might generate between 6-14 million. The actual inf. Removed may be in the 3 trillion range sure, but it won't all be from the current pile of inf. available. I'd say it will only burn half of what you might expect.
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@Roderick
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Yes but a while back he mentioned that he was FINE with the drop rate on pvp IOs, and since I13 pvp is generally recognized as his baby, he DOES have a RATHER LARGE bit of control over that aspect of the game.
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Originally Posted by Rodion
Isn't Castle the powers guy? Isn't someone else responsible for drop rates?
Not that it really matters, but it doesn't seem right to dis a guy for something he's not responsible for, since he genuinely seems to always want to do the right thing. |
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The only time I approve of farming for property is when that property is unfeasibly unattainable. When merits were new and my widow was strong, I did indeed do 126 merits' worth of 5th Column Overthrows for a Steadfast Res/Def, because they were not turning over on the suffocating villain market fast enough for my tastes. I might do this to get a glad global because I have piles of alts who can work on this kind of stuff... but I'd only do it for that one piece. The rest can be afforded with mere money.