So what do you want to know about the new merits?
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Posted on: 2010-08-10 11:58 in The Market and Inventions
at least 1250 merits and 500 mil inf for 1 pvp IO.........you gotta be kidding me.
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Another source of Respecs is always nice, though for 10 A-Merits I would think the market would still be the way to go.
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Originally Posted by Neuronia
Respecs being sold is a nice perk as I've exhausted a fair amount of them in my gameplay. It will come down to whether I want to market, waste $10 or 10 Merits.
Happy with this overall... |
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I believe the description at the vendor is pool C and D (old TF/trial drops). That makes the alignment merits an absolute no-brainer for anyone who keeps even one character "pure," as you'll be able to use global email to send the items you roll cross-faction. I could simply keep one hero "pure" and stockpile these merits, do lots of random rolls, sell the stuff I don't want, and email the rest to the heroes or villains that need stuff.|
Originally Posted by Minotaur
Is this truly random ? ie rare pool A/B/C ? or does anybody have a feel for what you get from this. Sounds like a research project coming up.
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The one thing we never really found out was whether these random rolls are weighted for specific set types (or even specific recipes).
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Originally Posted by EnD_Reitanna
at least 1250 merits and 500 mil inf for 1 pvp IO.........you gotta be kidding me.
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No, but I can if you want.|
Originally Posted by EnD_Reitanna
at least 1250 merits and 500 mil inf for 1 pvp IO.........you gotta be kidding me.
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Sounds about right to me.... from the dev standpoint. At one time we were told that Purples would never be made available to purchase with merits because we couldn't hold enough merits to afford one.|
Originally Posted by EnD_Reitanna
at least 1250 merits and 500 mil inf for 1 pvp IO.........you gotta be kidding me.
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Since we can hold 9999 merits the dev vision has obviously dropped quite a bit.
Making PvP IOs available to those that hate the I13+ PvP seems like a good move to me.
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One interesting consequence, is that if somebody DOES find that worthwhile (say for one of the PvP procs that sell over the cap), or is just converting reward merits + inf to make LoTG and Miracle specials, that Inf goes to a vendor, not another player. It's GONE, out of the system.|
Originally Posted by EnD_Reitanna
at least 1250 merits and 500 mil inf for 1 pvp IO.........you gotta be kidding me.
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I don't know if that will be enough to counter the currency inflation that's been happening, but I'm curious to see.
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One question I've had:
They've said a few times that the alignment merits are a bonus for staying-true.
Does that mean that only heroes or villains who have never changed alignment can get them, or just that only heroes and villains who are currently staying heroic or villainous can get them? In other words, if one of my villains goes rogue and then hero, can that hero then stay heroic and get hero-alignment-stuff?
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I've seen it mentioned somewhere (blasted if I remember where) that this is referring to the fact that you get an Alignment mission, and pick the choice for your current alignment. Otherwise, Praetorian's would never be able to earn Alignment Merits, because they don't start as Heroes or Villains.
| This is the reward for remaining (or becoming) a true Hero or Villain. |
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No matter what you've started as, you get an alignment merit for reinforceing hero or villain alignment.|
Originally Posted by seebs
One question I've had:
They've said a few times that the alignment merits are a bonus for staying-true. Does that mean that only heroes or villains who have never changed alignment can get them, or just that only heroes and villains who are currently staying heroic or villainous can get them? In other words, if one of my villains goes rogue and then hero, can that hero then stay heroic and get hero-alignment-stuff? |
HOWEVER, if you go rogue or vigilante all your alignment merits are destroyed. And you can't earn more until you go hero or villain.
Vigilantes/rogues get 60 merits for reinforcing alignment I think.
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I think this new currency is interesting, I think I'll try to get my 1/2 an A-merit a day in addition to 30-50 R-merits. and try to get that all done in my limited play time.
Of course the first month or so will be getting all the other side badges, then look at gaming the system.
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Hyperstrike, I totally don't understand what your table is trying to say. My napkin math says that the best money per Alignment Merit is to save up for a PvP IO, especially if they continue to sell for over the cap. Given that:
1 Alignment Merit = 5 Random Recipes and
20 Reward Merits = 1 Random Recipe and
1 Reward Merit = ~250k Influence then
35 Alignment Merits = ~875M Influence
FAR less than the price tag on the PvP IO you could have purchased. Seems to be a question of immediacy versus long term gain, and what the market is going to do to those PvP IOs in the 72 days it takes you to gather up enough Alignment Merits to buy your first one.
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Originally Posted by heffroncm
Hyperstrike, I totally don't understand what your table is trying to say.
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I'm totally saying that it's probably not worth it to burn Alignment Merits for purples unless you just CAN'T score the one you want.
PVP IO's are a different animal altogether. I envison some of the "I hatez the market and marketeers must die!" people burning tons of time building up alignment merits for PVP IO purchases. But it won't really affect the prices of the PVP IO's at WW, BM or on the grey market.
People who don't want to burn the time and effort necessary to pick up AMs will pay the "Buy It NAO!" tax either on or off the market.
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During the merge on beta your bids were refunded as a new kind of item. Items you had listed produced two entries: the original item in the Stored tab, and a listing fee refund in another tab. It was sort of weird seeing two entries for the items you had stored, but it makes sense once you understand what they're doing.|
Originally Posted by Brillig
Hmm, I guess this means that market listing fees are forfeited in the merge?
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That does mean you can wind up having more items in market slots after the conversion than you have available, so you have to remove the excess before you can post additional items.
The process worked fine for me. I posted about 40 items and bids on items on four different characters and everything worked fine.
I was originally concerned about the merge, but after seeing how they did it most of my fears have abated. There will still be some glitches, but if they're still doing it the same way the number of problems should be small.
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Just so there's no misunderstanding, When GR goes live there will only be ONE market. It will not be blue, red or any other color.|
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
I'm totally saying that it's probably not worth it to burn Alignment Merits for purples unless you just CAN'T score the one you want. PVP IO's are a different animal altogether. I envison some of the "I hatez the market and marketeers must die!" people burning tons of time building up alignment merits for PVP IO purchases. But it won't really affect the prices of the PVP IO's at WW, BM or on the grey market. People who don't want to burn the time and effort necessary to pick up AMs will pay the "Buy It NAO!" tax either on or off the market. |
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Awesome!
Okay, I understand now. It still seems to me that you'll make more saving up your AMs for a PvP IO. Of course, that's all predicted at current pricing. I think a "wait and see" approach might be best, wait for things to stabilize a bit before cashing in the most real-time consuming resource available.
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I guess there is now a price cap on everything, since everything is convertible and fungible? I wish that they would just cut inf generation by 90%, but that's just me.
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Originally Posted by Yomo_Kimyata
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We are one step closer to getting lvl 25 LOTG +7.5% when you complete outbreak/breakout. |
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Originally Posted by Yomo_Kimyata
I guess there is now a price cap on everything, since everything is convertible and fungible? I wish that they would just cut inf generation by 90%, but that's just me.
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I like the idea of being able to acquire the PvP IOs by a non PvP means even though they're horrendously expensive. I'll just play a long game and get them very slowly and slot them, they'll never hit the market. I just have better uses for 2-3 BN than spending it on one IO, so have never bought any, and never PVP so haven't dropped any.
One thing that isn't clear to me. How does the whole alignment system work in a team environment ? Do you only get credit for your own tip/morality missions, or do you get credit if you're on a team with the owner ? I only solod in the beta as I was on at like 4am US time, so never found out.
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You're missing one thing: psychology. For most players, three hours of running missions counts as "fun". Ten minutes of marketing counts as "work". Guess which they'll prefer?
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Originally Posted by Shadow Ravenwolf
People are generally lazy. They don't want to put in 2.5-5 hours in each and every day for almost a month or more for 1 PvPIO. It's easier to market a few minutes a day and just buy them.
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Ten minutes of marketing isn't work. The hour or two of reading required to learn how to marketeer well... that's where the work comes in.
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And for many either option is better than actually pvping (lol) for the completely random (with god aweful-I-don't-know-what-the-hell-Castle-was-thinking drop rate) drop.
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Originally Posted by Talen Lee
Ten minutes of marketing isn't work. The hour or two of reading required to learn how to marketeer well... that's where the work comes in.
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Figure it this way, regular reward merits have been, tentatively, valued at 250K each.
Now, back while the ultra-rares were 700M to 1B, yeah, this was a deal. Assuming your time was worth nothing.
Now that purples are down around 100-300M? Not so economical unless the one you want just isn't available.
For PVP IOs, yeah, this can still be a bargain.
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