Alpha Slot Removed from Going Rogue

Yours is a little off.




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Well copying directly is against the rules.

And the parts aren't there...especially back in I8 when I made Super-Star there. I only "homage" anyway.

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BTW, isn't one of the new costume sets we haven't seen called Sport (I have no idea where I saw that)?

**waits for Johnny's head to fly off**

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Wait. What?

The Incarnate system preview was what I was most looking forward to. In fact, that's the reason why I pre-ordered. I am dying to see what is being added to the endgame, hoping that it will give me a reason to stay, play, and most importantly pay for this MMO.

I agree with the other posters in that GR as a whole has been executed in bad taste.

The Devs launched a hype-up campaign to get a super-early pre-order from us, then proceed to set up another pre-order, this time with tangible bonuses, "punishing" those devoted players who pre-ordered as soon as they saw a CoX expansion. Finally, now that they've taken our money, they proceed to take out a promised feature.

True, it is only one feature. True, things change in the beta process. But I, for one, would be willing to put that aside if this was the first issue.

Really, devs. When are you going to realize that we are the paying customers? I guess as long as people continue to pay, they won't change their ways.

Don't get my wrong, I think that CoX is a nice game, and the devs do work hard on bringing in new content. But I feel as if I, myself, as a paying consumer, have never been listened to. In my eyes, the Devs think that they know what is best for the game as a whole, and act on it without asking the players who, in reality, pay their salaries (having been in CB, I can say that the Devs rarely listened to the ideas of the testers, at least in the rotation I was in). While that's nice, and they are correct for the most part, there have been a few times (Read: Issue 13) where the players were not, and still are not listened to, even if it is the minority.

A post expressing their understanding, an apology to the loyal fans, a discussion thread to hear the reactions (and listen to them! An important yet seemingly overlooked step), anything would be helpful at this point! It's really not that hard to listen. Just look around, the forums are constantly being used by players who want to give their opinions, whether it's GR expectations, the lack of end-game content, or PvP. Just look around, you might learn something new, devs!


~Alpha

The whole "no incarnates with 'Going Rogue's release" thing is less problematic to me, as it still seems to be something they're limiting to that consumer portion, just later.

What weirds me out is the times again and again where the devs misread the game. I mean c'mon, we talk on their forums, and have played their game for a good many years. It should be pretty obvious what players do. It's a digital world, so peaking around isn't hard either. ...And yet you have things like this happen, where you could instead of scrapping many man hours, you could just as easily have pitched/quizzed/discussed with readily accessible users and get feedback before going to code.

Have 'em sign an NDA, then put out your design ideas, and ask the player "what do you like" "If this were in place, what would you do?" Obviously you'd have to test it afterwards, but if the feedback were unified enough, you have a good idea of where people would be at.

True. It could mean "something that genetically deviates from its parents without breeding true" as well.

Hmmm...JLA Big Seven?

Supes is obviously an Inv/SS tank.

Bats is an MA/SR scrapper.

Flash is...doable. My Impulse homage is a DM/WP scrapper with the Speed Pool (including the hated Whirlwind ). Sands of Mu replicates speed for me, but I do have to do a whole bunch of rationalizing for many of the powers.

Wonder Woman? I would think probably think either Inv/SS tank or MA/Inv scrapper, depending on how you look at her.

Martian Manhunter? Ugh, J'onn's a power proliferation on his own. Strength, Invulnerability, Telepathy, Telekinesis, Shape-shifting (both disguise and stretching)...J'onn's a tankmage of the highest quality. I don't think it would be good if we could do him.

Aquaman's some kind of SS tank, but the water breathing has to be ignored.

Green Lantern, I'd have to totally fail on. Some kind of FF defender, sort of, kind of but not really.

So, yeah, three no-shows, one of which probably shouldn't be and one that's almost there.

Thing is, you're still stuck on "American Super-heroes" and even there, plenty of guns and swords (heck, when dual pistols came out, my first thought was The Shadow and he's a proto-super-hero like all the pulp guys). It's not like NFL Superpro where there's maybe one or two examples, they're all over the place.

And when we turn to manga, equally viable and should be represented even if it's not my gig, it expands even more.

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This is just leftover angst from when Dual Blades got put in over Shields. Thing is, there are more characters that actually make appearances on a regular basis in mainstream superhero comics that use dual blades than use shields. Elektra, Deathstroke, Cheshire, Deadpool, Zealot, Ravager, even Katana, who is named for her primary blade, carries and uses a second one. Shields, while used by an icon, Captain America, are pretty rare in the arsenals of comic book heroes. Mostly, they are two Jack Kirby creations, Cap, as mentioned above, and the Guardian. There are others that appear infrequently, like the Shining Knight, but most of the rest only carry shields because of their ties to Captain America, and even most of those are lucky to show up once every five years or so to retain their copyright. Only USAgent, a one-time fill-in for Captain America, has very many appearances under his belt.

I think there are quite a few people here who are wildly overestimating just how much Incarnate stuff was going to be in GR in the first place - it was only ever going to be a preview of the system - the major stuff was always going to be added in I19.

Yeah, now you're just complaining because they don't EXACTLY duplicate those heroes in power levels, and that's just silly. Game balance is important, too.

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Err... Never heard about Alpha thingy before Posi posted this...
Where was it mentioned outside GR about this .. Alpha first thingy bit (specifically)? I do know that with GR the first bit of Incarnate system was going to be given and that was mentioned, but I cannot remember any spesific of what that entailed.
Cause will not confirming comments etc say the following "Hey, I'm in Closed Beta"? .. and breaching the NDA? I would expect such a notification to have been put in the umm Beta boards.
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*Confused and goes back to my sanctum.*

Alllllrighty, letsa go /e knuckles

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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane -Power Armor characters. Energy Blast suits them about as well as Broadsword suits a ninja, but they put in a katana set all the same.

While I would still love to see a power set based on or similar to what the PPD Power armour cops use at the moment, simply giving a broadsword and saying 'pretend its a katana' is also pretty lame. Super (and, more importantly, NON super) Heroes still use conventional weapons too. Or things that at least look like conventional weapons, albeit with laser blades/dark matter blades/super-morphing death skin-metal stuff.

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-Limb Shapeshifting ala Sandman, Carnage, Warblade. Completely doable in the engine. See Stone Fists.

So...you just supplied a powerset that can in fact do that? Why not use it? Admittedly, it's where you can (Tanks, Brutes, Doms) and thats not perhaps as wide as it should be. Things dont appear overnight though.

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-True speedsters like the Flash, Quicksilver, etc. Super Speed Melee was mentioned as a set the devs wanted to do once, but was buried by mundane weapon sets.

Hmn. So, would you suggest anything? I know that something not possible with this game engine is attacking while moving, which a Super Speed melee set practically demands, if not outright needs. How many times can you punch someone really fast? It will still, in the end, simply be punches and kicks. 'Another Mundane punching set', hmm? Tastes differ.

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-Ironically, any character that uses both swords and a gun. I would have voted on a blended set long before having them add additional options for them separate.

It would only really work for the Dominator, though. I would STILL kill for a Ranged/Armour or Assault/Armour AT, though. And I would also kill for sword + pistol set, so we'll let that one lay about.

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-Dual whip characters like Conduit, Omega Red, Constrictor, Ivan Vanko. The fact that the whips are usualy energy based and retract into the character's arms solves the coiling and draw issues the devs found before they settled on fire whips for DS MMs.

They weren't working on something they didn't have the tech for...because they didnt have the tech for it? This one confuses me.
Synapse, Castle and/or BaBs (or a mix of the three) said that JUST the whip attacks in Demons took the same time as an ENTIRE new set. Thats just three powers. Don't get me wrong, it'd be cool. And now they DO have the tech, who knows? But they have to do what they're told too, and part of that is a time/results ratio.

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-Probability/Luck manipulation like Scarlet Witch, Shamrock, Domino. Would make a nice buff/debuff set.

Can you suggest anyway it would work? Besides things like Super Reflexes, I can't think of anything. I'm not even sure how you'd get it to work as a buff/debuff set that wouldnt simply be an existing one with new power FX.

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Yes, I'll admit weapon sets are easy, and the devs love their low hanging fruit. But considering the usual time between new power sets, I'm getting a little sick of the mundane and of gun/sword variations, which is what we've gotten a fairly large percentage of.

Hmn...
For Going Rogue we got four new power sets. These covered all the non-EAT ATs on both sides.
Demon Summoning
Electric Control
Kinetic Melee
and then Dual Pistols

So...thats 1/4 is a weapon set. One that Players have begged for since the game came out.

In total we have;

Weapon sets = 9
Non-Weapon sets = 56

Thats Including Heroes and Villains, and not including EATs.
I think you are, ever so slightly, blowing this way outta proportion.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.