Discussion: Introducing Issue 18: Shades of Gray!
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Posted on: 2010-07-08 11:01 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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I can't frankly imagine why anyone playing CoX would choose willingly to be a "non-GR subscriber". It'll probably quickly be akin to not owning CoH AND CoV. I'd be curious to know, up until the point where they "merged" the games, how many people actually only owned one of the two?|
Originally Posted by Rigel_Kent
A question remains, however, whether Issue 19 will have much for non-GR subscribers.
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For a few months, maybe even 3-6 sure, there may be people without GR, but after that point it'll be 20 bucks in the store for the Collection disc probably. It almost feels like someone wants to complain, doesn't it? Perish the thought, on these forums? Never
"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
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Short answer: If you have a concept like that, make two versions of the same character, one Hero, one Villain. It even makes sense when the "evil" or "good" side is lower level as compared to the "other" side, it holds less influence. The closer the two get in level, the more the other comes out. If the "opposite" side "passes" the original, you flip the character's personality around. I considered something similar back when CoV launched, but ultimately I found it too much work, and didn't put the effort into it.
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Originally Posted by Mega_Jamie
Red Kryptonite, the easy way to go Rouge. (intentional sp) Well, it certainly would be a good excuse, I'll admit most concepts wouldnt allow it. But many Doctor Jeckyll/ Mr. Hide like concepts would allow for instantly being good one day, evil the next with no slide down the moral ladder, because something just changed.
It would be nice if the system was fluid enough to incorporate concept like that. But since its so open to abuse, especially if there are rewards for being 100% Hero and 100% Villain that it would be exploitable. |
"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
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I bought CoV when it first came out and never got CoH until a month before they "merged", and the only reason I got it to begin with was because a bug in the system thought I bought it even though all I did was download the free trial.|
Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
I can't frankly imagine why anyone playing CoX would choose willingly to be a "non-GR subscriber". It'll probably quickly be akin to not owning CoH AND CoV. I'd be curious to know, up until the point where they "merged" the games, how many people actually only owned one of the two?
For a few months, maybe even 3-6 sure, there may be people without GR, but after that point it'll be 20 bucks in the store for the Collection disc probably. It almost feels like someone wants to complain, doesn't it? Perish the thought, on these forums? Never |
The reason I never bought it is due to my fun budget being very small, CoH eating up a good majority of what I am able spend on games. Not everyone can throw money at this game every time a new booster or expansion comes out. So, just saying, some of us don't have room in the budget to include these kinds of things.
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But are you saying you won't buy it, or you have to save up to buy it some time in the future? IE when it hits the bargin bin?
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
The reason I never bought it is due to my fun budget being very small, CoH eating up a good majority of what I am able spend on games. Not everyone can throw money at this game every time a new booster or expansion comes out. So, just saying, some of us don't have room in the budget to include these kinds of things.
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If only they had some system to link people's XP as they go without having to log that character on, so you could do this easily and for fun. oh if only |
Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
Short answer: If you have a concept like that, make two versions of the same character, one Hero, one Villain. It even makes sense when the "evil" or "good" side is lower level as compared to the "other" side, it holds less influence. The closer the two get in level, the more the other comes out. If the "opposite" side "passes" the original, you flip the character's personality around. I considered something similar back when CoV launched, but ultimately I found it too much work, and didn't put the effort into it.
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Yes I nearly did the same thing, and found it too much effort, especially with the greater difficulty leveling is redside.
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
[*]Watching out for the Spinning Disco Portal of D00M!*
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In GR's case? I've actually been saving up for awhile to get it, and hopefully I'll have enough when it comes out. However, if something happens that requires me to spend that money I've been saving, such as a bill or need of groceries, then my GR funds'll go towards that and I'll patiently start the process over again.
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Originally Posted by Diggis
But are you saying you won't buy it, or you have to save up to buy it some time in the future? IE when it hits the bargin bin?
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Understandable, but I think that was the point that PG was making. In 3-6 months most people who are playing CoX are likely to have GR as well.
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
In GR's case? I've actually been saving up for awhile to get it, and hopefully I'll have enough when it comes out. However, if something happens that requires me to spend that money I've been saving, such as a bill or need of groceries, then my GR funds'll go towards that and I'll patiently start the process over again.
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There IS level pacting now, of course that pretty much means you end up dragging the "unconcious" body around with you all the time, XP-wise (there was a funny PVP Strip about that I think). Of course you can't level-pact Heroes and Villains, so...nevermind, I don't know what I'm talking about :P
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Originally Posted by Mega_Jamie
If only they had some system to link people's XP as they go without having to log that character on, so you could do this easily and for fun. oh if only
Yes I nearly did the same thing, and found it too much effort, especially with the greater difficulty leveling is redside. |
"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
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That was it exactly. I'm sure there'll be some extreme cases where people will wait 8-12 months even maybe, but IIRC, by that time Good Vs. Evil had released, and both games were in the same pack anyway, I'm fairly sure that was a year or so later, wasn't it? GR will be good for CoH though, because it'll get the game shelf space at the retailers again. Belive it or not when I went in to my local Gamestop to preorder 2 copies (for both my accounts) the guy there said I wasn't the first one, and that it was fairly popular in their local system, and I live in a smallish (in my mind) town where I doubt many people play CoH. I'm glad it seems to already be doing so well.
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Originally Posted by Diggis
Understandable, but I think that was the point that PG was making. In 3-6 months most people who are playing CoX are likely to have GR as well.
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"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
Damn! This, connected with CoH:GR, has gotta be the most exciting issue in a while! 
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Originally Posted by JanusFrs
Damn! This, connected with CoH:GR, has gotta be the most exciting issue in a while!
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@Golden Girl
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I have no plans of purchasing GR unless the feature list is as impressive as they have made it out to be.|
Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
I can't frankly imagine why anyone playing CoX would choose willingly to be a "non-GR subscriber". It'll probably quickly be akin to not owning CoH AND CoV. I'd be curious to know, up until the point where they "merged" the games, how many people actually only owned one of the two?
For a few months, maybe even 3-6 sure, there may be people without GR, but after that point it'll be 20 bucks in the store for the Collection disc probably. It almost feels like someone wants to complain, doesn't it? Perish the thought, on these forums? Never |
As it stands I don't really care about 1-20 content because I don't frequently roll new toons anymore and even when I do it takes a couple days to get past that point. I don't really care about switching sides because I have high level toons on both sides currently that I enjoy so if I want to run side exclusive content I just switch. None of the new powersets are really sparking that large of an interest for me (pun intended as elec control is the only one holding potential). The only new toons I'm interested in aren't available because of proliferation, but won't depend on GR when the time comes (ie illusion for doms, traps for trollers).
The only reason (that I know of so far) for me to pick up GR is the incarnate levels. And with the super amazing end game content that was promised only being delivered as a tiny piece of what it is supposed to be with GR's launch I'll likely be in a position where I can safely wait until i19 to pick up GR. Or never if the incarnate levels aren't as super amazing end game content as they were made out to be.
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Originally Posted by JanusFrs
Damn! This, connected with CoH:GR, has gotta be the most exciting issue in a while!
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
This is correct
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(Although, it is hard to dismiss some previous issues for their excitement levels)Want to have a party of only happy/excited/positive people to celebrate this?
Besides having a fun time... It could serve as a slap in the face to all those negative/upset people that are not allowed in!
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
here is a death trap I stumbled when it came to the Incarnate system...
--If GR introduces one incarnate level and they are subsequent to each other then if we didn't buy GR and we didn't do the first Incarnate level then the following incarnate levels wont be active?
I am confused because if this is the scenario...we will all have to buy GR to get that incarnate level unless the incarnate system is able to skip and stop as we pick much like the Power Pools.
I dont want to sound like a doomcaster but this seems to lock us into getting GR...hope I am wrong...
http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/n...stumes%202011/
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You can only use the Incarnate system if you own GR - the first Incranate level in GR, and the following 9 levels in I19 will require a copy of GR to access them.
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Originally Posted by Shadow Wail
here is a death trap I stumbled when it came to the Incarnate system...
--If GR introduces one incarnate level and they are subsequent to each other then if we didn't buy GR and we didn't do the first Incarnate level then the following incarnate levels wont be active? I am confused because if this is the scenario...we will all have to buy GR to get that incarnate level unless the incarnate system is able to skip and stop as we pick much like the Power Pools. I dont want to sound like a doomcaster but this seems to lock us into getting GR...hope I am wrong... |
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
I don't think the CoP changes are a slap in the face to PvPers. There were issues with base raids and pathing so raids were disabled. Weren't the base raids mainly to steal an item of power gained from doing the CoP? Anyway I think it is a good thing that CoP is back. People have been asking for it for a long time. And I would rather have it now then have to wait for when they can make adjustments to re-enable base raiding.
Honestly base raiding never made sense. Why would a super group raid another super group? It would make much more sense for a villain group to raid a super group and vice versa.
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Hmm. I wonder what happens if you level pact two Praetorian characters and when they hit 20 one goes blue and the other goes red. Does it break the pact? Has that question been answered?
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Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
There IS level pacting now, of course that pretty much means you end up dragging the "unconcious" body around with you all the time, XP-wise (there was a funny PVP Strip about that I think). Of course you can't level-pact Heroes and Villains, so...nevermind, I don't know what I'm talking about :P
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@Quasadu
"We must prepare for DOOM and hope for FREEM." - SirFrederick
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
You can only use the Incarnate system if you own GR - the first Incranate level in GR, and the following 9 levels in I19 will require a copy of GR to access them.
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Thats not cool on the devs part...
http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/n...stumes%202011/
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how dare they try to remain profitable and stay in business, the NERVE of some people.
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Originally Posted by Shadow Wail
Thats not cool on the devs part...
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Yeah - imagine spending almost a year of development time, resources and money making an endgame system, and then trying to charge us for it - who do they think they are, some kind of business?
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Originally Posted by Shadow Wail
Thats not cool on the devs part...
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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I guess as an RPer, switching sides is a huge deal for me (I have high levels on both sides also, but that's not really the point, all of my villains aren't really villains anyway, but Rogues or Vigilantes, so I'm really looking forward to that option personally. As for i19 and Incarnates, I would bet that'll be 6-8 months after i18 (if not faster). So that pretty much covers my whole "some people may wait 6-8 months" bit above, doesn't it? Something tells me Incarnate is going to be big, and I await it with baited breath. It's funny, between i14 and i16 I was really losing steam on CoH, but i17, i18, and i19 have really pushed me back into the "addicted" camp again. Now, someone just needs to announce Double XP (preferably before GR), and a "buy 12 get 14" deal again, so I can re-sub both my accounts for a year! |
Originally Posted by Frosticus
The only reason (that I know of so far) for me to pick up GR is the incarnate levels. And with the super amazing end game content that was promised only being delivered as a tiny piece of what it is supposed to be with GR's launch I'll likely be in a position where I can safely wait until i19 to pick up GR. Or never if the incarnate levels aren't as super amazing end game content as they were made out to be.
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"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
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Oh darn. Amazing that they might want to make money. They haven't released an expansion ever (once if you count CoV, which I do, anyone who thinks it was a worthy game all on it's own is full of it, it was always intended to be an expansion to CoH|
Originally Posted by Shadow Wail
Thats not cool on the devs part...
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). So in 6 years, they will have released 2 expansions, and the game itself. That's not nearly as bad as SWG with 3-5 in 3-4 years. or EQ with like..10 in 10 years, or something. Most everything Paragon gives us for free, this is only the second time they've asked us to shell out expansion/game-level cash. The nerve they have, huh?Edit: Heh. Beaten to the punch by Nethergoat and Golden Girl.
"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
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Oh my !!!!
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Originally Posted by Shadow Wail
subscription, booster packs, box sales...
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A WHOLE internetz?! That's a slap in the face!
Dec out.
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