Going Rogue in Europe

I'm one of the few players that is still happy with CoH becuase I'm a casual soloist, but I'm obviously heavily biased and want the rest of the playerbase to be just as satisfied.

If we were to be rejiggerpokered around, I'm falling most favouring of the servers being copied over to the NA list. I know we say it like it's very easily done, but what is vital for me personally is for me to retain my characters, their names, their badges, and my vet rewards. I'd like to keep my global, but that isn't as vital. If these can be kept, I certainly wouldn't protest.

I really hope that something happens soon. Because there is oh so much talk among my friends that they're bored with CoH EU side because players are leaving. I used to play on US servers but transferred to EU because i wanted more people who played on my times. Which i got at the time, along with more lag, but i didn't mind then.


Now tho?
Lots of things in the past six months have made wondering whats going to happen to us EU players. Like it's been said, NCSOFT have shut down games when they done poorly, now i wondering if EU is gonna face the same thing.

I really don't want it to.
City of Heroes is still to this day my favorite MMO i played, and i've played ALOT of em. I think my 72+ months and an account made on 19th april 2004 and the fact i'm STILL here is a testament ot that. I have high hopes for the going rogue expansion and i'm really looking forward to it. But recent events that i cannot detail in here about going rogue has me concerned :|
Really concerned to be honest.
And it's not because of the "special deals".

I'm a EU player, i'm used to not being allowed to take part of contests and special offers, but i'm gonna start seeing exclusive costume pieces for the US who buy retail packs i'm gonna rage so damn hard. The costume bits is the only thing that would make me upset about special US deals.

Once i could transfer from US to EU and my veteran time and characters carried over.
The idea i read above about making 4 new servers on the US list, which are identical to the EU ones, and copy all accounts from EU to there. Then give us a couple of server transfer tokens without a timelimit on them and we could choose to stay on the "EU server" or move to a US one, and still be able to when things stabilize after awhile. Perhaps we'd end up with a single EU server over there to house all of us who wanna stay as a EU community, because frankly, we rock, and i'd like that. And those who want could move to the other US servers.

About the lag.
I got one player from Zukunft that joined my sg some time ago. Main reason was that there where too few to rp with. When I told her last week that the EU servers where located somewhere in Germany, her immidiate outburst was something like this "... where/are they crazy?"
Reason she gave for this little bit was the following. The servers located in germany would go to and fro so many different ports... in short this explained everything to her on why she has a lot of lag.
Also it was at that moment I was hit by the little irony of the former Brighton office. Administration, marketing etc.. was located in Brighton, the servers in Germany... I think I marked this info by raising an eyebrow.
It woudl have been, mostlikely better to have the servers in ANY other country then Germany... best place might even have been.. you know in Brighton.

NCSoft, I'm not going to quote all that I remember from a certain movie "My Fair Lady" but it goes something like this "Words words words.. I'm so.. "... yes, not going to repeat all of that song. (I'm also tired)
We have gotten words for breakfast, lunch, dinner, supper.. any meal you can think of, with the odd tidbit (rare times) a bone. You say you love the EU community, action speak louder then words. Do things, that we can see, don't push us away.
I asked a mod on what the hurdles/hoops/problem the thing-atron was that stopped the possibility of a server list merge. I did get the impression this was thought upon, however the wording I understood to be... maybe we will have it in the future, however before we do that we will have a discussion about it.
(That above thing is not an official statement)
There is actually very little that needs to be discussed. This thread, amongst many other threads about server list merge, segregation of the community into two communities etc... should have by now spoken volumes.
You have the tecknology to move characters from one server to another, and one list to another list, one account to another account.
Since we do not get to know all the things that "might" stop a merger of the community into one well I will just have to ask.
How hard is it to copy the content of one server onto another, add that server to another list, make the updater(s) point to the one list?
I doubt it is the tech, its more of the will (and maybe I'm being jaded here... money. Money that you will loose as players jumping ship and buying everything again on the US side)...
If it is that jaded point... it is greed, not service.
Please make that jaded thought go away though. As said you have the technology to get the players into one list.
As a certain Star Trek captain (Picard) usually says... "Number one (cause that you are, you are strangely the best company) make it so!"

In the end every player will most likely have more servers to play on and everyone could (maybe) buy the gameboxes. Thus not needing to install on a new comp (if the comp needed reinstall) CoV and exceed the download limit on their line before they have downloaded every issue of City of Heroes.
To marketing... You will sell more by having the communities merged into one server list.

I might have come a bit strong, but I'm tired and reading the official statements well... made me sad.

I couldn't agree more Lady A

I would just like at least one answer to our questions. But it seems that we get get fobbed off time and again.

Hellloooo Paragon and NCSoft we in the EU would like to know what the [censored] you mean to do with us

Going great guns as usual i see.

So...

As subscribers we (the EU) are already disadvantaged by only having 2 English servers and therefore less slots.

There are no longer player events here.

There won't be a boxed edition of GR here and therefore not much hope of a big increase in the population because of that...Lets not forget they also had a boxed MA version too.

Now NA players can get pre-order items that we may not be able to obtain.


The result =

Perhaps we are guilty of caring more about the game than Paragon Studios care about the EU. Like some above, I grow bored by vague talk and no action and I feel slightly ripped off that I pay the same as our NA friends but seem to be getting less and less for my hard earned money.

In fact this thread seems to me to be an after thought, kinda like "Ooops what about the EU? Hmmm better make a quick thread".

I do love this game but fairness is a solid principle for any customer base. We are not asking for anything more, just an equal footing.

well lets wait and see what they have in store for us although it is rude for them to start a thread and not reply to us! if nothing is changed or somthing isnt done to improve our quality of life theres always the release of DC universe online we could all go together.. lol probabily wont see anything happen till there release date neither when the NA servers quiet down cuz people wonna try dc then i think we will see somthing happen cuz in all honesty the nc AND the dev team are crap at remembering were here think our subs just pay there overtime or electric bill not sure

Been thinking some on the predicament and one idea i had to expand on the server clone to US. Do that, then made a 5th server called Europe. Give us a free transfer token for each char, and the europeans from all four servers could consolidate on the new europe server. Will bring some issues with duplicate names (i have a ton of duplicates myself), but we could choose to put some chars on some of the US servers if we'd like to. And once everyone moved away, close down the old EU servers.

Perhaps not ideal, but it would let us keep our nice EU community for those who want it, and it might be a fairly populated server with all four servers on it. And who knows. maybe some US players who have work schedules which would coincide with our primetime could come and make chars on the new eu server.

It's an idea i personally would like. Would also give a nice possibility to get in touch with US people from the forums we've gotten to know now and play with them.

Well im not buying going rogue.
It saddens me to death, but a company that cares this little about its playerbase will not see any money from me.
I can spare the occasional 8-12 bucks on a 15 or 30 day timecard but I am not paying 30 euro's for a glorified booster pack, and then pay AGAIN to get the same amount of content that the us gets, and still get less fellow players, less player slots and less developer interaction.

Seriously, we have been getting this "your problems are known to us" crap for MONTHS now.
Nothing is being done about, it is like Londoner said ncsoft is trying to suck out as much money as they can from the EU community and then they will kill us off.
War Witch's promised solution for the EU community to increasing the chanch of finding teams might be years off if coming ever.
Why are we continuesly financially providing a company that doesnt care about us?
Why I ask you?

The technology for server transfers is in place, I dont care about how the red names are saying it isnt, because it is.
They did it in in the past with the US->EU transfer.
All they need to do is bring that back and reverse the process.

Ncsoft is doing ZERO to improve our play sessions.
There was no official appology (or a fix) for the european trials leading to the american servers, and ncsoft does zero to promote the game in Europe.

We are always getting biased.
We didnt get the architect edition boxset. Like me, it pissed off a lot of true fans of the game. But we where promised that we would get the next boxset, so we took our loss and moved on.
Now we have been informed that won't get the Going Rogue boxset either, and to make matters worse, due to the new pre order deals there is now a gap in content between both regions.

This is not fair.
Our love for this game and our community is whats keeping us together, but at this rate ncsoft is still making money.
I couldnt think of a better solution as to where we would all stop paying them and let them find out thereselves how there european playerbase is feeling, but I don't think that this is something that we can get organised.


Sorry for the grammatical errors, its late and im tired but after seeing the new going rogue interview I just got more and more infuriated at this whole issue.

One thing that we have to accept without a doubt is that nothing is going to happen until a few months after GR is released at the earliest.

come to think of it yes the 'not having an up to date installation cd of Cox is realli pissing me off' we get ours from download and it takes hours (somtimes days for a few of us) to download and install then get 6 years worth of patches, this boosts our monthly download limit up somthing crazy ecspecially when u have to reformat your comp and do the whole tedious process over and over not resubbing after this month like i said minght pop back in when the release of GR comes but if things havnt improved by then or player base is continually low then ncsoft and the devs can go screw themselves and will not get another penny off me