Actually, you know, the more I think about it and the repsonses from the devs and mods and marketing people, the more I realise why it's not going to happen.
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I'm beginning to think, if they are actually working on this game, a whole brand new proper full on sequel to CoH, they are working on the newe tech for that, not this game. I know there's things being added to Coh now, GR is proof of that, but it's entirely possible that it's being done as a partial tech test to see what works and what it popular.
As someone mentioned, the cost for a server merge would probably be high and for such a "small" population might not be worth it for them. Much better to use that money for working on CoH 2.
Unfortunately, we don't know how far away that is. It could eb next year, it's more likely a lot further away. Problem is, will people give up on it all completely as they get more and more fed up.
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i do get what your saying, but its not realli the enhancments most of us a peeved off about, there there to entise new players in, which comes to the problem no advertising in the EU means no new players to add to a declining player base.
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I have to agree with Neutronic Girl with regards to the plausability of merging the two server lists and the constraints with the connections. We do have better EU connections than if we were playing NA, citing my own experiences of rubbish connections when trying to play well anything online with anyone other than EU based servers.
With regards to my earlier questions, thanks for reminding me about the difference in codes, but it would still be a nice step if there could at least be some acknowledgement that if someone EU side did purchase that pack, that they would honor an EU equivalent of that same code. That at least would be a step in the right direction. |
Can anyone think of any marketing EU side in the last year?
The only mention I know of in a British gaming mag manged to ignore the EU servers
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Can anyone think of any marketing EU side in the last year?
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Went to my local game store today and saw coh in there today on a two for 15 offer, saw champions there too and the offer was 3 for 15 lol.
My brother is thinking about playing the game on a perma basis, he asked me what server would be the best to play on . . . . . . how could i tell him to play on EU servers when [as a new player] he'ld have a better experience playing with a much higher population/more options/ingame events.
Appreciate that server mergers would take both time and money but how long have we said about this?
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Went to my local game store today and saw coh in there today on a two for 15 offer, saw champions there too and the offer was 3 for 15 lol.
My brother is thinking about playing the game on a perma basis, he asked me what server would be the best to play on . . . . . . how could i tell him to play on EU servers when [as a new player] he'ld have a better experience playing with a much higher population/more options/ingame events. Appreciate that server list mergers would take both time and money but how long have we said about this? |
Corrected your post
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i dont even know why we bother to post nothing gets done!
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I think because we care about the game.
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Speaking off...something that was in Avatea's post bothers me. They knew that people would be upset. They knew that before they made the announcement. They probably realized that before they signed the deal with Gamestop. Instead of finding an alternative for the EU(like I don't know...don't they have an NC store on their website /sarcasm) they choose not to do it and to give us empty promises about finding opportunities in Europe(and of course only after a day of different people asking about it in the thread about the gamestop offer).
If they didn't expect this after the whole no box in Europe thing then they truly are not very good at their job of marketing.
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That was just an example. There's lots of things they could have announced for purchases of the full EU package and announced it in parallel with the GameStop announcement which wouldn't have affected exclusivity.
Instead nada, and Avatea has to post another "We're looking into things for you" post. Thats poor management and poor PR (not on Avs behalf, but on those formulating and coordinating these campaigns). I certainly can't see any reason for a potential new EU player to purchase an EU version of the game. |
I do disagree that Paragon S. has been "poor" about this. There are likely constraints that we don't see.
For example, if Paragon S. is trying to get a hardcopy distributer lined up in Europe, how could they do so if all the goodies were already made available now? Even if the announce "we'll release the goodies electronically for Europe" would scare off anyone thinking about making a disc, since their exclusive could just be had later.
Even an electronic only "Euro Pack" would have to be supported by an advertising campaign to be worthwhile, and do they have the staff do so? I'm not even sure they do. There's at least three big markets in Europe that have to be handled separately -- England, France, Germany -- and each one is going to need it's own print copy, approval, regulatory issues, etc.
I agree "it sucks" but I don't agree that it's Paragon S. fault or they've been "poor" about it. It's just dollars and cents and how it adds up.
Hopefully Paragon S. will be able to commit to something for Europe, even if not at release. A Euro Pack a month or two after release might be doable, kinda like how the Mac release stuff was eventually put into a booster pack.
Marketing has been piss poor in EU. There can be no doubting that and because of the lack of marketing the EU will die
I was once one of the fan boys. Now I'm doubting if there will be a CoH/V to play in the EU come the winter
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Can anyone think of any marketing EU side in the last year?
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ooh look I can still post here
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Avatea:
In the words of Joe Wilson, "You lie!"
That is not personal, but it IS a fact. Paragon Studios have proven time and time again since the took over the IP of the franchise that if they want to do something they make it happen. To cite technical difficulties is piss poor, frankly and I'm sorry that you got fronted up to say that because nobody who read it believed you. People have even suggested alternatives that are perfectly feasible and if NC can't fathom that then boo to them. It's typical of how the company you work for treats it's paying customers.
Let's face it, Korea doesn't care about its own home market - it killed CoH there overnight - so doesn't understand that the EU even exists. The only thing Korea gets is $$, Kwon and rogue torpedoes.)
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I have the CoH News Feed Linked to my mobile (a MotoDext if you care) and the second I saw that there was a Razer/CoH Special offer, the first thing I thought when I opened the news link and it started to load was, "Why the hell am I reading this, we wont be getting it."
Yes, the expectations for myself and I would imagine, every other EU (and every NON US player to be exact) is at an all time low.
I can appreciate Avatea posting and letting us know but "We're looking into it" and "Soon™" is getting a little old.
The last time I checked NC were more than happy to take my hard earned cash (OK, its barely earned but its mine) but when it comes to giving us stuff back, forget it. In fact I'm starting to think that NC is working for the Tax office.
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Avatea:
In the words of Joe Wilson, "You lie!" That is not personal, but it IS a fact. Paragon Studios have proven time and time again since the took over the IP of the franchise that if they want to do something they make it happen. To cite technical difficulties is piss poor, frankly and I'm sorry that you got fronted up to say that because nobody who read it believed you. People have even suggested alternatives that are perfectly feasible and if NC can't fathom that then boo to them. It's typical of how the company you work for treats it's paying customers. Let's face it, Korea doesn't care about its own home market - it killed CoH there overnight - so doesn't understand that the EU even exists. The only thing Korea gets is $$, Kwon and rogue torpedoes.) My twitter feed is @RiffGaffer if you'd like to keep in touch. Take care and thanks for the fun to all my friends. I'm done with NC bull. We don't matter to NC and however good this game is I'm not gonna be sit here and get fed lies while corporate beancounters fill their pockets. I actually bought GR but I won't be playing CoH until Beelzebub skates to work |
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That'd be my preferred option too, but it's a shedload of work. I'm not sure the NCSoft bean-counters would be impressed by such an expense.
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See... that's where it fails. The only thing NC gives a monkeys about is about milking the existing revenue stream. There is no interest in long term customer gain or even customer retention. They are happy for us to fall by the wayside until they can make that press release saying that "The EU servers are no longer financially viable"
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..Thanks for the info.It was nice to know its known that EU side wouldnt be joyful.
However..It has now come to the point of saying nothing as it's just pointless to even think our views matter.
Btw i do understand that when possible its always best to promote the game even if it doesnt please everyone.
lets just merge already!!! OR at least tell us the reprecutuions that the eu will have if there is a merge? i have pmed several red names and half say it can be done with reprecutions for the EU side and the other half say 'were not saying it wont happen its just a lot of work and we need to consider everyone' blah blah blah! make with some facts rather than spinning us bull **** and then maybee it minght put a few of us off and make us gr8 full for the small community we do have OR if the reprecutions arnt that bad some of us minght be more for it or at least offer transfers again!
if somthing is not done soon im not re-subbing ive stopped the direct debit i had set up so my accounts dont lapse and after game play runs of **** it. its not the game it used to be and the treatment we get EU side is next to nothing. or we get fed the same lines 'we have passed your concerns on' 'your voices are being heard'
i would love to start again on the NA servers but not at the cost of losing all my toons sg bases vet rewards badges (spesh the anniversary ones)etc. and they way the game has been going im on the same lines as scarlet shocker ive payed my monthly subs brought every add on that has been released and seen the rise and fall of the EU population, so after this months game time has run out i dont see the point of resubbing! GR minght bring a few people back just like the release of i17 we saw a few old players return but they have gone again and we have yet to see a rise in new players it sucks!
A server merge will have repercussions and will take a lot of work. These ARE facts, not bull.
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but what are the actual repercussions a list merge wouldnt be that bad yeah it would take work but its about time work was done for us!
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A server merge will have repercussions and will take a lot of work. These ARE facts, not bull.
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but what are the actual repercussions a list merge wouldnt be that bad yeah it would take work but its about time work was done for us!
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We want a server LIST merge
Server merge you not only get the globals conflict but also the character name conflicts.
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Originally Posted by mereman
Can anyone think of any marketing EU side in the last year?
The only mention I know of in a British gaming mag manged to ignore the EU servers |
Simply 3 tiny lines in page 63 or so, what a shame.
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If you had read my post, you would know what repercussions would be at the top of the list. Not including all the small things that are bound to happen too.|
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but what are the actual repercussions a list merge wouldnt be that bad yeah it would take work but its about time work was done for us!
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Game Engine is 6 years old. - this would cause severe strain issues not only on Database mechanics but also server mechanics IF a server merge was placed.Why aren't they doing it?
IF a server LIST merge was placed this would cause problems such as already taken Global names.
Enhanced lag for the european sector.
Rather then continuing to make replys to this topic in terms of constantly saying "COME ON, STOP FEEDING US *." or "COME ON, JUST DO A SERVER MERGE ALREADY". Please actually sit back with a clear mind and think realistically the implications ahead and the time constraint / resource drain this would put not only on the team but as a franchise..
Lack of Resources, Time Consuming, It is not a viable route to take at this current stage, Ultra Mode is squeezing the engine - just think what this would do.
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Enhanced lag for the european sector.
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I still maintain the best answer was the one someone else had earlier. Add 4 new servers to the US list, call them the same names and do a blanket copy of everything that's on the EU servers. Then close the EU ones down. As the meerkat says, simples.
That way, no one loses any access, badges, accounts, anything. The ONLY issue I can see is in a globla name conflict and that can be sorted with either a rename or a EU adding to the end of it. Give players the choice. I can't even see it affecting the RP players either as my understanding is that it's the toon that they RP, not the account.
Hell, I'd even be happy to have a few days/a week off from the game while they implement it. Ideally, it shouldn't take too long as it's just a transfer of data which they can obviously access already, but even if they needed to transfer the dtata physically, I'd be happy to wait!
Come on, people, you know it makes sense!