Why the devs are right to worry about hoarding...

One of the things that comes up occasionally on these boards is players expressing a desire for recipe storage items in their bases.

And the developer response that comes up is always 'it would starve the market of supply and encourage hoarding'. (paraphrased).

This is a huge (5Mb) image I put together from all of my characters' recipe and vault screens.

Bear in mind, this assorted mountain of shiny things has been accumulated by one player. On one account. On one server. I sell most of the things I get, but if the price is over a certain arbitrary amount and it looks like something I could use in the future, it gets classed as 'too shiny to sell' and kept.

Of course, this all falls down on the minor fact that I find the number crunching and faffing around to get a fully IO'd build to be so tedious that I tend not to bother... (OK, so I'm an idiot, sue me :P )

I think the cautious attitude regarding hoarding may well be fully justified, at least regarding my behaviour.

What about you lot?

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Edit: Well, I can honestly tell you that I'm not a person to hoard anything. In fact, I've never once gotten past the 100 million infamy/influence milestone. Ever. I'm WAY too casual of a player.

Then again, I'm also the player that trades all my infamy/influence for prestige. And I'm the leading prestige holder for my villain group by 400 - 500 thousand, with over a million saved up. So, maybe I do hoard...

As you say, that's one player on one account. In comparison, on my one account, I sell everything I get (usually on the market) unless I immediately need it for something. So my selling balances out your hoarding. And regardless, the devs look at large trends and the data as a whole as opposed to singular instances.

Honestly, the only reason I personally cared all that much for the prospect of SG base storage for recipes was so that I could give them to friends or alts easier (or have them given to me). With the new emailing system, that point is moot.

Most of your shinies appear to be max level. I personally don't care about those. Enough people do sell them that there is always a supply.

It's the mid-level recipe hoarding that is problematic. Those are worth holding onto because you can't buy them in a timely fashion if it turns out you need them.

"Removed from circulation" doesn't really apply, since there's an infinite amount of any in-game items. While it would be nice to be able to get some recipes without having to pay tens of millions of Influence, as a casual player I've long since given up getting any of those. There's no way to get the kind of money needed without farming, so what's the point?

Personally I'd like to be able to access the markets from the base. Something like C-bay.

The thing is, you are looking at what an individual has accumulated.

What people are asking for is storage for a superGROUP, so that they can share.

I agree, however, that with the ability to e-mail recipes, the demand for recipe storage may fall by the wayside.

I think it's more important that salvage storage capacity (30 items) be brought up to par with the rest of the storage facilities (100 items) for supergroups. It would promote more SG crafting of enhancements as well as temp empowerments.

The current 30 item limit is actually encouraging a different type of hoarding, and is debilitating to the superGROUP as a whole. Folks are afraid to use salvage from the racks, because we can only keep 3 of any piece of salvage. There is no comfortable feeling that if it gets used, there will be enough left for someone else, or if it will be refilled... because everyone is keeping their own for themselves. So, now you have a superGROUP of players who don't want to share their resources... which is part of the whole point of having supergroup storage in the first place.

ETA: Oh, and I counted roughly 165-ish recipes there... if you were to actually craft them, you could store them on 1 1/2 enhancement tables in an SG... Which takes up about 8% of an SG's total allowed storage quota (18 storage bins/racks/tables for the entire SG). But... that would take a lot of salvage to do, wouldn't it?

How long did it take to get all those? Were they all drops?

There's no way I have been dropped that many purples, then again I dont play that many 50s.

I fail to see why you think you have "alot"... because I easily have double that in both my bases storage... and on my 50s that farm and the ones collecting dust that I just have stuff sitting on...

Plus I have a zillion purples built in my main base that I am saving for when I actually start playing the game again.

We clearly need degradation of loot over time.

I'll be nice and apply it only to stuff not slotted.

Nice modest stash of stuff.

I hoard like crazy. The only people I share with are my pvp group and immediate friends and sg members. Purples I obtain never hit the markets unless I have doubles or triples of the items.

Of course, my OCD of wanting all purples crafted and placed alphabetically in a bin (by IO name, thus Apocalypse then all Apocs alphad, for example) doesn't help things.

Basically, the worm has turned on this. With email, even if they disallowed storing items we'll just send them to each other and hold them in email or on dummy characters.

I'd be more than glad to supply my share of purples etc to the Markets if they were easily recouped...but as is with a somewhat high drop rate, the inf isn't worth the effort.

So... if you're sitting on all of this and aren't interested in IOs, why aren't you selling it? Were you meaning to get to this point to make a post about hoarding, or what?

But it sounds like you understand your behavior is problematic... so do something about it. Use it or sell it. I sell as much as I can on the auction (unless there is a lot being sold already for next to nothing prices) to help other people out and keep up supply. It makes sense.

I would agree that we don't need recipe storage, but I do have to wonder about you hoarding all this. It's your stuff to keep, of course, but if you have the mentality you do, it really doesn't make much sense.

I don't hoard much. Mostly just move it on through the market if I can't use it. Most of my characters' vaults are empty, and the ones that have anything there have some expensive orange salvage pieces I saved after getting drops for use later rather than having to buy them. Unless you're really going for "UBAR" stuff, influence is cheap and so are market prices by comparison.

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I don't see a real problem here.

At some point your toons become *full* and you must decide what to keep and what to sell.

If you want to form a private SG for each and every toon to hoard as much as you can, that's ok too. It is a time sink for you to manage all that stuff.

As for everyone who believes that all that stuff should be sold, etc. that stuff never would have hit the market anyhow. Hoarders are playing the game the way they want to play. You take the ability to hoard away away and the hoarders will *leave* the game. So that junk was never on the market in the first place.

Just remember that this stuff has an infinite supply, so one person sitting on a set of purples or even a whole base full of junk has no affect on the other player's ability to get said stuff by drops or the market.

You may want them to seed the market with their loot but seriously, anybody who's a hoarder knows deep down that they will never dump their junk. It's simply the way they play the game.

Edit: I hoard. Big time. I have nor *real* desire to sell stuff, and crafting is really tedious at times. So every now and then I'll blow a load of stored stuff away (see sig).