Running the game like it was Crysis


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Hi, im about to drop my game. and i just bough it yesterday.
My bad experiences:

-The Updater took ages to download the 2.5gb updates (no, my internet connection is 4mb)

-The installer toook a while. forgivable btw

-Here where the real pain starts.

The game says, oh!: your computer match the requeriments for Ultra
i say: Hell yes!, give it to me.
I select a Server and that. but in the "Custom your Character" Screen, it appear that a hamster in a little bicycle its powering my graphics. i sayd: ok, maybe i have to configure the graphics.
In the Game it was awful, even with the ULTRA mode, and all that **** in high, it was if i were trying to run in a 1994 rig.
at least i used a Trial for the game, my serial game is safe and maybe returned to my retail store.

Please, help me to know what im doing wrong

oh yes, my specs:
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo processor T5750 2.0 GHZ
4096 MB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM (2 × 2048)
ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 2600 Graphics 512 MB GDDR3 Dedicated Memory
High definition audio - 2 channel
Blu-Ray ROM
it runs Crysis in High, so i think it could run this pretty fine


 

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What are your graphics settings?


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Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post
Hi, im about to drop my game. and i just bough it yesterday.
My bad experiences:
Welcome man, sorry you're having troubles.

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Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post
-The Updater took ages to download the 2.5gb updates (no, my internet connection is 4mb)

-The installer toook a while. forgivable btw
You're downloading 6 years of patches and changes. It won't be that bad in the future.

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-Here where the real pain starts.

The game says, oh!: your computer match the requeriments for Ultra
i say: Hell yes!, give it to me.

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Please, help me to know what im doing wrong
Okay, I'd recommend turning off Ultra Mode. I'm not even looking at your specs.

I've played the game since before Issue 1 (I can't claim the honor of being in beta though) and I really like CoH. But not because of the graphics. I have my graphics set low, and I like it just fine.

One day, I might upgrade, and then I'll check out the higher end graphical effects, but I prefer performance over polish.

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I would suggest dropping the graphics to low, seeing if everything works fine and then putting them up again in small incriments to see what is causing the issues.

And maybe provide more information that 'a hamster is providing the graphics'. Do they look bad? Or is it a frame rate issue? Or are some missing? What is the actual problem?

A lot of users are struggline with Anti Aliasing and Advanced Occlusion, so turn those down/off first and try that.


 

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I'm finding the struggle lately is the shadowing on every object in game. The 2600 is likely choking on that. Set Amb-Occ to Performance/Gaussian, turn down water effects to no reflections.

Thats my first guess. I have a GTX260 but a Core2 e6850 and the shadows KILL my FPS.


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You're using an old, even by it's own chip family, core 2 duo

Ancient, and underpowered to begin with, video

You are trying to run the new ultra graphics mode *DESIGNED FOR MODERN HIGH-END (note the high-end)* machines and ranting that it's not working very well for you?

OK.


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Aside: I wasn't aware that the name "Gilgamesh" was available again (he used to be a red name in days long past), but that's a different topic altogether.

Edit: Ah, because it got changed to Gilgamesh_NA and Gilgamesh_EU when we moved forums, of course.


 

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You're using an old, even by it's own chip family, core 2 duo

Ancient, and underpowered to begin with, video

You are trying to run the new ultra graphics mode *DESIGNED FOR MODERN HIGH-END (note the high-end)* machines and ranting that it's not working very well for you?

OK.
To be fair to the OP the game did tell him his machine could. I think it said one of mine could and I was like "Oh no it can't."


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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

 

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To be fair to the OP the game did tell him his machine could. I think it said one of mine could and I was like "Oh no it can't."
I think that should be changed. IIRC, it's only checking for a certain version of OpenGL to see if the card is capable of running the program, not that it'd be playable on 60fps, or even 30 for that matter.


 

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To be fair to the OP the game did tell him his machine could. I think it said one of mine could and I was like "Oh no it can't."
Agreed mostly. Heck during beta most of us were saying that the whole "your machine can run ultra mode" popup was a Bad Idea (tm).

Had the OP come in with "Hey, I just started and things are running pretty poorly, any advice to help?" then it would be one thing.

But No, he comes in all "This game sucks, I'm taking it back!!!!! {rage, rant, troll, etc}"

Let's see:
"The Updater took ages to download the 2.5gb updates": Oh really? We actually have one of the faster update servers out there. Heck, last night it took me over 2 1/2 HOURS to download Portal off of Steam....I was getting speeds in the BITS per second...

"The installer toook a while. forgivable btw": What? There's NOTHING TO FORGIVE. Dude, that's your machine and NOTHING else.

"a hamster in a little bicycle its powering my graphics" Yeah, it is. That's what happens when you run an underpowered system.

other {rant, ragequit, troll, etc} comments: See Ya.

[Of course, maybe I'm just in a bad mood today .... :P]


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Originally Posted by Soulwind View Post
You're using an old, even by it's own chip family, core 2 duo

Ancient, and underpowered to begin with, video

You are trying to run the new ultra graphics mode *DESIGNED FOR MODERN HIGH-END (note the high-end)* machines and ranting that it's not working very well for you?

OK.
I want to play in my Laptop, not in my Desktop (HP Pavilion Elite HPE-180t btw :P )


And Yes, it was the Game Occlusion. That **** is in medium now.
Well, thanks dudes


 

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I think people are piling on the OP a little more than necessary.

FIRST: The new graphics settings are, in fact, brutal. They're pretty, with the shiny water and the nifty shadows and the reflection of You In A Window (for some windows), but they're brutal. At one point before I turned things down, I was getting about seven frames per second.

SECOND: The new graphics settings are new. Like, two weeks old. They may get better optimized. ULTRA in this case means "Ultra-pretty, ultra-slow" and not "ultra-fast."

So what do you do? As suggested, turn it down. Shadows and reflections are two of the biggest culprits. I'm not a real expert: try these two guides.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219881
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=217610

You shouldn't have to be a mechanic to drive a car, but right now this game has gotten back to that state, a little bit.

Welcome to Paragon, hope you like it better once you get settled in.

EDIT: I knew there was something to watch out for, but I didn't find it before I hit send.

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As of right now, there are issues with Ambient Occlusion and Anti-Aliasing. Be prepared for an ugly picture if you enable both.
(quoted from je_saist's guide)


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I think that should be changed. IIRC, it's only checking for a certain version of OpenGL to see if the card is capable of running the program, not that it'd be playable on 60fps, or even 30 for that matter.
In full blown gorgeous mode, I get 5 fps for about a minute before the system crash. But I'm running a new, one year obsolete box. Just a 9600 GSO and an AMD dual core w 4 gigs. I usually have firefox running in the background too, dropbox, random stuff I always keep on.

I run my graphics in a customized Ultra. Particles are way down and water is all the way up. The character models are also topped out, but everything else is a little meh until I get so I can get no slowdown in normal battle.

Normal battle is not a Rikti invation on the dirt hill. In pre-17, I'd go into N64 mode for those, but it doesn't seem we have total crap graphics mode anymore. I think what used to be slider full right is now the second tick on the slider.


 

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it appear that a hamster in a little bicycle its powering my graphics.

Was it small and red? If so, I think I'm going to have to have a chat with my Fire/Kin, Little Red Hamster, about getting into other people's computers and spamming Siphon Speed....


 

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I'd like to apologize to the OP for the tone of some of the responses you received. Come on guys, I realize that the OP was frustrated and maybe was a bit harsh but cut him some slack... he's just bought the game and found it wasn't working correctly, naturally he was frustrated.

Now to the OP, looking over your machine's stats I'm not surprised it choked on Ultra Mode... all the features of UM bring my machine to it's knees and I'm running a QuadCore 9550 2.8GHz CPU and an Nvidia 275GTX... I have to turn several of the options down a bit myself. Your machine should be plenty to run the game nicely with the Ultra options disabled and the rest of the settings about midway up but unfortunately it isn't going to handle the full quality options.

As a first step turn off all the ultra options and turn the rest down a couple of notches. The biggest performance hit is from Ambient Occlusion, Blur and Shadows... turn those off to start. Glow is another big performance hit, and IMO it looks ugly so I deactivate it as well.

Once you get your first character made and into the tutorial zone (and by the way I highly recommend you do the tutorial and read all the text there, it'll help orient you) check your framerate (type /showfps 1 in the chat window and you'll see your current FPS in the upper right corner) and open up your options (menu/options/video) and play around with the settings until you find the combination that gives you acceptable framerates with acceptable video quality. Many of the options you can adjust on the fly and they have an immediate effect while a few require you to "apply options". The only options that require you to restart the game are changing your resolution.

I can't tell you what settings you'll eventually want, it all depends on what you consider acceptable framerate and quality. Personally I dislike any framerate below 30 and really prefer to always stay above 45 so I tend to compromise quality somewhat. Other players aren't bothered by a 15fps framerate but really want quality... you'll have to find your own best compromise. The game actually supports a pretty wide range of hardware and I've played on similar hardware to yours... as long as you aren't trying to drive a 1920x1080 display you should be able to find a decent compromise that keeps your FPS in the 30-50 range.

Ultra Mode is the new shiny in the game, and right now it's a bit under-optimized. Likely you'll be able to use a few of the new options but as it stands right now you won't be able to turn things to "11". I've found that some of the options have negligible effect on my FPS while others can nuke it from orbit.

I hope these suggestions help you out, and please, once you start playing don't hesitate to ask if anything confuses you... all of us have been through the same thing and all of us were confused about something when we first started playing.


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Originally Posted by Soulwind View Post
Agreed mostly. Heck during beta most of us were saying that the whole "your machine can run ultra mode" popup was a Bad Idea (tm).
Ai, this was killing some of us in the beta as we kept seeing people logging over on the test saying "Yes! I got the pop-up saying I can run Ultra Mode!" ... and their Running RadeonHD 4600's, Geforce 9500's, and lower cards... and... no. Just no.

Anyways: to the original poster: I did a visual walkthrough of each of the graphics settings: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219534

From my own testing: A RadeonHD 2600, depending on the processor, should be able to run Performance Ambient Occlusion, Low Reflections, Ultra Quality Water, and Stencil Shadows.


 

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Ai, this was killing some of us in the beta as we kept seeing people logging over on the test saying "Yes! I got the pop-up saying I can run Ultra Mode!" ... and their Running RadeonHD 4600's, Geforce 9500's, and lower cards... and... no. Just no.

Anyways: to the original poster: I did a visual walkthrough of each of the graphics settings: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219534

From my own testing: A RadeonHD 2600, depending on the processor, should be able to run Performance Ambient Occlusion, Low Reflections, Ultra Quality Water, and Stencil Shadows.
That sounds about right from what my laptop can handle and the FPS drop from those options depending on his resolution and acceptable framerate. I hadn't realized the Ultra Mode pop-up was that indiscriminate, the only two machines I've run it on actually DO meet the specs... barely in one case as the laptop has a Core2Duo 2.5GHz and 7950 GTX. It's quite playable with minimal UM at 1680x1050.

I don't remember offhand what my other laptop has, but I don't have UM enabled on it... it handles the "vanilla" graphics decently partially because it's a lower resolution screen. I haven't played COH on that one since issue 17 went live so I can't say how it handles UM, it was a $500 Asus I bought last year so it's hardly top end. It does have a dedicated mid-range Nvidia card in it.


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my computer yelled at me when I turned UM on...


 

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I find my computer can handle anything but Ambient Occlusion on the highest settings... water/reflections? no problem... Move A.O. anywhere beyond performance? 20fps hit per step.

But I'm fine with that, it isn't as drool inducing as the other two.


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"The Updater took ages to download the 2.5gb updates": Oh really? We actually have one of the faster update servers out there. Heck, last night it took me over 2 1/2 HOURS to download Portal off of Steam....I was getting speeds in the BITS per second...

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The slowness of the updater is a frequent and pretty known issue. Its more a problem with what the user's ISP does to throttle ports than an actual CoX issue, but it would be really nice for a alt way to download the game for those that have the problem.


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In pre-17, I'd go into N64 mode for those, but it doesn't seem we have total crap graphics mode anymore. I think what used to be slider full right is now the second tick on the slider.
I'm pretty certain they didn't change anything on the low end. I went into "ugly" mode just the other day to speed up my load times when I was logging in a bunch of characters for the 6 year anniversary badge. That said, this game shows different things for different machines so maybe yours is gone and mine still there.


Dec out.

 

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Originally Posted by Soulwind View Post
You're using an old, even by it's own chip family, core 2 duo

Ancient, and underpowered to begin with, video

You are trying to run the new ultra graphics mode *DESIGNED FOR MODERN HIGH-END (note the high-end)* machines and ranting that it's not working very well for you?

OK.
Sorry i have state of the art comp , and even i cant run ULTRA MODE past high level.
I can switch to my raid wow comp who is even more state of the art 64 bit .
But bet you it wont run well on everything max out .

I know graphics update was forthcoming . but when 95% couldn´t even play on maximum aegix PHX enhanced bloom out whatever maxout before ultra mode without having sever lag.
So the graphics were out of reach for most people already , why make a ultra mode , thats designed for the less then 5 % ?

Sorry this is one of the issue , you dont make a game for the 1% of the market .
Especially when the game is selective number , yes we need graphic update for GR .
But when you select hell yes by accident you are stuck with the hell yes .
And who wants to think there comp is a old bucket , most aren´t even tech specialist when they buy a comp in the store , they think its state of the art . when its already outdated by 3 months .


 

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Out of curiosity, why do you put a space before each of your punctuation marks?
Is it that i type too fast ?
Or is that the god given me a light , or is it that it solves the meaning of life ?

Who knows , maybe you can answer it , maybe you can´t .
But best of all why bother with trival things ?
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