Lonelyshade
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I wouldn't mind and give TN the sub money
Definetly will try it out but all depends if they can get the IP , and get the majority of the heartwarming dev team together . -
Well short term they going to sit on the IP and burry it , unlike previous other Projects ,
There were valid reasons , now if capital can be raised (it is a if) .
Then they still cannot get past the NCSOFT roadblock , so money isn't the reason after all.
So short term failure , and long term failure .
That is not a strategy .
If money is the reason they should state it and earn the money .
Beter then sitting on a IP and letting it rot for no reasons this time . -
Quote:The things are not looking good , but it is again down to NCSOFT...Originally Posted by Angelxman81
I guess after the Twitch TV Session we should realize we are all doomed.
No way we can save CoX at this point...
So damn sad
They should stop messing around, cause this is bad PR that cost more then the IP is worth .
Seriously any other future development team , are going to look at NCSOFT with different eyes , that is how much this failure cost them on longterm . -
Quote:Bad business no matter if it is a necessity , is bad business !Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Don't misunderstand me, I think voting with your money is reasonable. However if you permanently boycott every restaurant you had a bad experience in you will soon have nowhere to go out and have dinner in. Well maybe that analogy works for me because I live in a small town with less than a dozen restaurants and the next nearest town is 10 miles away.
As time goes on we see the emergence of mega game companies who buy up studios, suck them dry and discard them like a carnivorous plant with flies. All I'm saying is if you start saying you will never again buy a game from <insert name> because the did <something you object too> you will soon end up only buying indiegames off of Steam or <shudder> Impulse (just because I hate Gamestop).
They do not deserve your trust and money .
Sorry a lot of developers are tired of publishers , cause simply put they cannot create what they love , and consumers like you are the blaim .
In your need to have some fun , you grab the best thing that is available instead of looking what is fun for you , not what is fun for the average market !
Same as food , if a restaurant is not edible food , you do not go there !
Even if it is the only restaurant in town .
Sorry people are so selfishe in many things , when they need to be selfishe , they try to justify it wrong ?
This is the case with NCSOFT , they did injustice you going to give them your trust again ?
LoL and all those people online talking about tough guys and actions and consumer rights.
Start using your brain please , consumers hold the money , if consumers even a minority .
make a demand for that , and a developer even a small company wants to supply it.
Then let it be done , we supply the cash , they just have to budget what is possible with that cash , and what is out of there budget .
Same way they are working for a publisher , just the cash is bigger , but they demand a bigger profit margin in return . since they are the middle man . -
This is irrelevant , to this point , it was getting people to spent .
But it was slowly happening , even on union I saw more new people buying stuff , and enjoying the game , then the old people .
Having market more items , wasn't the point they kept to there profit margin .
Just US consumers have to be persuaded to part with money for entertainement.
Something NEXON is very good at .
You seriously think those income are made on those webbrowsing pile of junk
It is made cause of entertainment and fun value !
Something the coffee talk was working on too cautiously .
But from the business point of view again saw no flaw in how the team was going to manage CoH in the future !
The general overview was they are uptodate with the modern concept .
Just maybe the audience needed some nudges or two . -
Normally am very respectfull of NCSOFT , even with tabula rasa debacle .
On this point unless they sell the IP , or atleast give valid reason for this nazi actions on Friday !
I am pure hate for them , sure if they tell the team look you got till next week .
Then the layoffs happen , whatever human possible reasons .
Even if it is unofficially , then yeah NCSOFT could hold the moral highground .
On this case there is none , and there ability to not to see this as a commercial bummer of the biggest kind , while Paragon Studios were even trying to find the postives of it all .
Says how loyal they have been to NCSOFT !
Paragon Studios deserve beter then this , sorry no matter the money outcome , of all the teams they definetly were not NCSOFT enemies .
Sorry getting rid of babs was a hard pill to swallow for me , but this goes too far ! -
In auto assault case it was not profitable , so they shelved it and kept it .
In tabula rasa case was one big personal feud , between NCSOFT and Lord Britain.
And in both cases I understand why they do not want to sell .
In CoH case the story is very different , it was meeting the deadline the profit margins .
So there was no excuse for this , sure it wasn't the biggest profit maker .
But also not the one responsible for losses .
I cannot imagine NCSOFT and Paragon Studios having a terrible west east working relationship , till that friday .
No matter the assumption or dirty laundry , I didn't think there were many .
Sorry if they want to move away from the western market and concentrate on the east.
They should let this IP go , since it has been a very loyal subject of NCSOFT , even at the shutdown , most were shocked !
If they cannot make this exception for CoH , I think they just made a biggest mistake ever as publisher . -
you did good protean , the stories were really good , it was just the difficulty .
And then the F happened that made GR less then satisifying .
Sorry this community of all things should be sometimes told the truth .
Instead of trying different approach , the love for Paragon Studios/CoH is great enough to lets us dig deeper into our wallets .
So thank you for all the work
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Do not sell CoH so low , a lot of people don't understand CoH impact on MMO.
The thing is cause it is made with a lot of "love" but not a lot of fine polishe and tuning .
Doesn't mean the concepts ideas are not there ..
Somethings are just ahead of the current fashion or what is hot , what is not .
Things like Gladiotor system , concept idea was good , execution less .
AE same story , just again execution was flawed and leading to way too much work in patching exploits and thus breaking a lot of none AE features .
The same things that is a bit going on in I24 beta , all the ideas are there and correct .
It just need more polishe and fine tunning in one direction , not unilateral directions .
CoH was one of the comparison for creating WoW , cause it was casual solo friendly .
A lot of things in CoH are always compared or stolen by other companies .
We has badges , then others made achievements !
So don't sell CoH like it is crap , infact it has too many features , that is way too confusing for a lot of people .
Let simply say , CoH is linux and WoW is windows .
People prefer windows cause it is more userfriendly ! -
At this point SOE is the best option for the DEV team , since NCSOFT is out .
And without the DEV TEAM , or another big bidder that will not interfer with the DEV teams plans , SOE does have a long term none interference program , as long the income are steady .
It is when the income are less then expected , or dipping they interfer , but with the current DEV team , I have 100% trust they know what they are doing .
So while have my doubts for different reasons , it is one of the beter options , if NCSOFT allows it .
Everything boils back down to NCSOFT again grrrr..... -
Close quarter weapons >.< , snifff.....
%#%##}{{#%# NCSOFT !
Ok that feels beter , shame really so much promises for the future .
Nobody to pick it up . -
Maybe Matt , I hate the global defense nerf , that followed by jack statement 3 minion .
Most of all I hate BaBs and the whole team getting fired suddenly ....
That was what made me take a long break away from CoH .
But all that is past and bygone , thank you for creating and upholding such fine game and wonderfull community as CoH .
Especially sad to see a end like this , I hope atleast you morally support those who want to continue the tradition of CoH and it's community.
Sorry think they deserve it . -
Quote:Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I agree. How much the game was making is only a small part of it. It's far more likely that by using creative accounting NCSoft can make it look like they are "saving" more money by shutting us down. That's why I don't trust anything they put in their financial statements.
This type of downsizing tomfoolery has been going on all over for decades.
Exactly , I smell this debacle is rubbishe , they want to withdraw from market of the west.
But with as little face lost and as little harm done to there other western projects .
Like GW2 , but truth is , it is rubbishe by sinking the world n1 super heroes MMO game ?
That didn't even made losses but a steady profit ?
Totally crap story . in my eyes . -
Quote:Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Good idea, I was just about to point out that it wasn't ONE person not paying to play the game that caused these problems but HUNDREDS at least, more likely THOUSANDS that weren't paying to play. And again I'm not including the Prems that supported the game thru the store. Just the deadbeat freeloaders that weren't spending a dime.
Let them play the game they want as long they made people who paid happy .
So what I came back last month , went to beta server , say all the fun for future ,
Went back to live purchased 3 month sub , and 160 euro worth of paragon points .
That means I paid for 10 people ? no I paid cause I had fun !
If Bioarmour was released on live this month I would have IO it out at cost of 500 euro .
Makes me a beter contributor or a mad idiot ? , that isn't the reason .
So what money ,wasn't the reason for this debacle or downfall .
People should spend there diposable income , to each person that is different .
People mentality were changing , just not fast enough for NCSOFT !
Since NEXON has become bigger then EA , cooperate structure is smelling the money .
Paragon Studios was also slowly changing , but they never ever embraced the concept of moaners City of Money ...
Infact sub and free players had it very good in this game . -
Enough blaim games , people should pay what they can afford .
That was the deal and will be the deal with F2P .
People have to see F2P as donations , simply put that is all to it .
You know game has ended , bot F2P and SUB suffers the same , all time investment and money investment gone down the drain ..
Friends will be lost , contacts will fade overtime , and worst off all the wonderfull TEAM of people who all made it possible for us to have FUN , will be no more and having to look for new jobs .
Sorry this stunt wasn't about money !
This stunt was a bad tought out decision in business sense .
No matter the justification , Paragon Studios kept and steadily increased there income profit.
It was just not fast enough for the greedy sharks , who make big mistakes .
Wanting the FAT big MONEY nexon is making .
Honestly in due time maybe CoH was going to be there with there coffee talk .
Was just convincing people to pay when they have fun, and stop moaning about money.
You drink how many beers a week ? smoke how much ciggarettes ?
Pay for how many cocktails or dinners , MMO has become something like that .
It is a luxury system , not a alternate way of life . -
Look we know kickstart will work to get a certain degree of money .
The whole issue boils down , to what NCSOFT wants , they are going to withdraw from the west , since 5% margin income isn't worthwhile .
Now what cost do they want for the IP , that is affordable by fan donations .
From there on the team can decide what they want to do .
But NCSOFT has to be charitable , and since CoH always been one of there products.
That brought a steady income , let them be super heroes about it .
Sorry why destroy the world nr1 superheroes MMO ? -
No it is strange for them to not say anything .
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Quote:Sadly GG is right , when nexon only got 15% of shares , they earn 9 billion a year on F2P products ..Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Currently, I think that the IP may be cheaper than the required amount of shares.
You know this plan of attack is useless .
The whole thing is what does Positron thinks of this situation , together with warwitch they are crucial , to any plans involving getting the IP back .
Maybe they are tired ,but a whole DEV team is behind them !
Matt didn't had a bad working relationship with NCSOFT till now .
That is the real question ?
Look even tired of this frenchise , get it back and pass it on to the team that loves it . -
Quote:Yes offcourse those are names , same as wolverine etc ...Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
He's talking about SWG's emulator.
Though technically, yes, copyright infringement DOES exist for CoH's IP (i.e. Paragon, the Rogue Isles, Lord Recluse, Statesman, etc.)
So..yeah, still applies.
Looks the same issue but slight variation or changes already bypass those rules .
SWG is or anything with STAR WARS has been copywrighted .
If you name it WAR STAR then suddenly it becomes free , all models and names of Star Wars has been copyright , but slight variation and not using the name , releases that again.
So technically they have a to be identical or very similair to the things that are copyrighted protected .
Even then it is a long hard case, what a company does to uphold it .
Like the marvel lawsuit showed , the company are not always responsible for players actions.
Especially in these modern times , if somebody wants to look like spider man online .
Dressed up in spiderman halloween costume , can they sue him ? but call himself man spider (think that one is copyrighted but not sure)
So what part do they uphold , yes if the content creator goes creating everything like a marvel MMO . sure . -
Quote:Copy infringement means there has to be something to be copied from !Originally Posted by Brillig
Nonprofit is not a magic shield from copyright infringement, though.
Since CoH was copied from super heroes , same way CO is .
You cannot even claim copy infringement , you must be the worst lawyer ever !
Cause case 1 and 2 already excist ! -
Cut the cost on the lawyers , sorry worthless lot , find a beter cheaper firm .
Sorry there you go saves you money , now that money can then be pumped back into a selfsustaining bubble like CoH , till GW2 launches .
Then you can decide to cut down GW1 and transfer the people to GW2 .
For longterm vision you can start to sell Paragon Studios , since those worthless lawyers seem to only cost money and loses all lawsuits on fake technicalities . -
2011
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/10/25/ri...-ncsoft-again/
Appeal lost ... >.<
Godsake there lawyers are terrible , so what are they spending on , to appeal and coming out with bigger cost and bigger payment ? -
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...n-masse-ncsoft
So no win again ... settled but no big win .
In there own home country . -
Quote:Originally Posted by Brillig
Keepin ears to the Street
Puts and calls you beat
No need for grinding time
The sands condense to rhyme
Ahead you think you see
Been there a time or three
Bigger fools been wrong before
Can't count them any more
Fools break mirrors they don't own
Bad fortune that they've never known
Put the glass into your eyes
See better when the truth does rise
The truth stares you in the eyes , maybe you are just too blind .
Facts are there for everybody to find ,
While your rhymes are funny , they are not created from the heart.
They are just words from a twisted mind .
How many times do we have to proof you wrong ?
Some of us do challenge the rights .
how many times does NCSOFT has to see the lights .
There lawyer stinks and are only bluff ,
even in a appeal they were worthless lot .
And tabula rasa still stings , let see this year lawsuit NCSOFT wins.
I am going to have fun , since you really do not know anything , -
Quote:So layoff can also be challenged to be injust , since the division was profitable .Originally Posted by Brillig
That's not how layoffs work though. You never give people advance notice that they're going to be laid off. That's not NCSoft's policy, it's the policy of every company I've worked for or heard about.
Adding a thought - this problem would be impossible by your standards. No matter when they pulled the plug, there would have been something that went on sale prior to it, which would be inaccessible after fixed time X.
customers do have rights to challenge any product purchased with a CC within 30 days .
Since I wish not to be refunded in another NCSOFT , I can easily go to the bank and ask them withdraw back the spending , especially if product was spent on a soon to be none excistant virtual good .
That they dare to charge me 200 euro , when they made decisions like that , maybe boils to fraud and deciet .
Out of respect for Paragon studios , I will reconsider , but basically depending on how much NCSOFT is going to be pissing me off .
Since virtual goods is not important to me , but emotional value is !
That is one asset lawyers always fail to calculate on ! since everything in the end boils down to spending for emotions .