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Originally Posted by Severe
ive found that most flippers are people with bad toons or bad builds...the farmers do their part by keeping what they can in stock for the market.the issue is the flippers.
if posi knew what he was doing he would place a time limit on the resale of items just obtained from the market. that way the dorks flipping wouldnt be able to flip it every 2 seconds.sure they still would be able to flip but not as fast as they like and it would bite into the money they make.wouldnt be able to stop them just like farmers but it would slow them down |
Sorry, but the first statement so just so full of wrongness, I have to wonder
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Originally Posted by eryq2
You have people that don't do anything but sit in WW flipping recipes or buying stuff up just to inflate the market. This section of the forums is mainly just to beat people down that don't want to participate in their way of thinking. If you want to post in here and not get flamed, just post a pic of the billions you've made or ask them how to make uber inf so they can say, "find a niche" or "learn to flip" and make them feel special. lol. |
I started her without transferring any inf or borrowing any inf. I sold my inspirations, sold my salvage drops and crafted and sold my recipe drops, cashing in Merits at level 20. She's now on close to 25 million, craziness.
No flipping, no tricks. Just playing the game I got an occasional piece of rare salvage which sold for several million. I got recipes which I crafted and sold for 5-7 million each.
It really isn't that hard, there isn't any Black Magic involved. Remember, I set myself to play that character 1-3 hours max a week, doing story arcs and pugs. I spent a good portion of the late teens to early 20s in Hollows on Pugs...and I still managed to make enough to SO out with cash to spare.
OP, if you think the prices on Karmas are high, why not run some AE and cash in your tickets on Bronze rolls? You might get your Karma and will get some other recipes you can probably craft and sell for influence.
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Originally Posted by Severe
ive found that most flippers are people with bad toons or bad builds...the farmers do their part by keeping what they can in stock for the market.the issue is the flippers.
if posi knew what he was doing he would place a time limit on the resale of items just obtained from the market. that way the dorks flipping wouldnt be able to flip it every 2 seconds.sure they still would be able to flip but not as fast as they like and it would bite into the money they make.wouldnt be able to stop them just like farmers but it would slow them down |
I love these threads, all the people with Wrong Ideas about the market come out of the woodwork.
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Which side, Red or Blue? Recipies or Crafted.
Red Side is a little screwy usually and more so now because of MMs raking it in via an AE bug which was exploited. Mind you Karmas are low level Bronze rolls, I usually buy them with tickets from running a few MA story arcs and get them fairly quickly. |
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Originally Posted by Severe
ive found that most flippers are people with bad toons or bad builds...the farmers do their part by keeping what they can in stock for the market.the issue is the flippers.
if posi knew what he was doing he would place a time limit on the resale of items just obtained from the market. that way the dorks flipping wouldnt be able to flip it every 2 seconds.sure they still would be able to flip but not as fast as they like and it would bite into the money they make.wouldnt be able to stop them just like farmers but it would slow them down |
The issue is people that are willing to purchase stuff for crazy amounts.
Keep in mind that it is all relative. Take salvage for example. Someone may think that 5 mill is crazy to pay for a Pangean Soil. Take it from the perspective of someone who wants a PS to make a Hecatomb: whatever. A recipe purchased for 200m. They spend 10m crafting the thing and another 14.45m to post it for 289m. They profit 64.45m IF someone buys it for the exact same price as posted. It often will go for more than asking... 5 mill seems like a bargain eh?
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Originally Posted by PL_Beggar
25 mil for a karma knockback
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And I can tell you from experience that you can get them now for less than 10 million with a little patience.
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Originally Posted by Severe
ive found that most flippers are people with bad toons or bad builds...the farmers do their part by keeping what they can in stock for the market.the issue is the flippers.
if posi knew what he was doing he would place a time limit on the resale of items just obtained from the market. that way the dorks flipping wouldnt be able to flip it every 2 seconds.sure they still would be able to flip but not as fast as they like and it would bite into the money they make.wouldnt be able to stop them just like farmers but it would slow them down |
These "findings" you speak of...are they verifiable in any way? Damn flippers and their bad builds. If only they were smarter than that, they wouldnt need the crux of influence to make things bearable...
And time limits...I would like to meet these people that are able to buy and flip at such a rapid pace (2 seconds yeesh)....could you kindly introduce me to them so I could learn all of their secrets...thank you
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Originally Posted by Frogfather
These "findings" you speak of...are they verifiable in any way? Damn flippers and their bad builds. If only they were smarter than that, they wouldnt need the crux of influence to make things bearable...
And time limits...I would like to meet these people that are able to buy and flip at such a rapid pace (2 seconds yeesh)....could you kindly introduce me to them so I could learn all of their secrets...thank you |
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Really? How? I guess I just don't get the market thing. I've honestly been trying the last month. I've been in this forum reading everything I can. Most of the tutorials are old. I have 3 50's blue side. I've tried the "just play the game and sell everything" method. I've tried crafting and selling, I've tried a few other things listed on tuturials. That didn't get me 3 Billion. Heck the most I have on any of my 50's is (was... I started to buy some IO's) 120 Mil. I have to assume there is some basic simple thing I am missing. |
Originally Posted by Minotaur
As has been said before, play levels 1-10 in AE, roll your tickets at level 10 on 10-14 bronze rolls. You will get -KB IOs (if you get the wrong one, sell it and buy the one you do want), steadfast res/defs and lots of other goodies.
More often than not I end up with at least one -KB if I do this, but it's not guaranteed. I started from zero on a new server, and made 3BN in 6 weeks without buying/selling anything desperately risky or expensive or playing in AE, getting hold of inf is really not difficult. |
I'd love to have some of the expensive IO's. And I'd love to find a way that fits my time/schedule to earn them myself. But so far I just haven't found that.
So when I see a post that says I got 3 billion in 6 weeks. It just makes me wonder.
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Originally Posted by Draugadan
Really? How? I guess I just don't get the market thing. I've honestly been trying the last month. I've been in this forum reading everything I can. Most of the tutorials are old. I have 3 50's blue side. I've tried the "just play the game and sell everything" method. I've tried crafting and selling, I've tried a few other things listed on tuturials. That didn't get me 3 Billion. Heck the most I have on any of my 50's is (was... I started to buy some IO's) 120 Mil. I have to assume there is some basic simple thing I am missing.
I'd love to have some of the expensive IO's. And I'd love to find a way that fits my time/schedule to earn them myself. But so far I just haven't found that. So when I see a post that says I got 3 billion in 6 weeks. It just makes me wonder. |
But yeah, it was mainly just from playing and crafting and selling. Inf from mobs adds up, selling common IO adds up (they're what, 100k a pop?). Every now and then run some AE for some bronze rolls, sell the Thunderstrikes, end mod sets, defense sets. Sell some purples if you're lucky (I think I've sold two or three of the sleep/hold variety; been silly lucky the last two days alone landing three of the more desirable ones, so I'm sitting on about six or seven plus a respec).
Were I to actually look for bargains for resale rather than use...
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Originally Posted by Draugadan
Really? How? I guess I just don't get the market thing. I've honestly been trying the last month. I've been in this forum reading everything I can. Most of the tutorials are old. I have 3 50's blue side. I've tried the "just play the game and sell everything" method. I've tried crafting and selling, I've tried a few other things listed on tuturials. That didn't get me 3 Billion. Heck the most I have on any of my 50's is (was... I started to buy some IO's) 120 Mil. I have to assume there is some basic simple thing I am missing.
I'd love to have some of the expensive IO's. And I'd love to find a way that fits my time/schedule to earn them myself. But so far I just haven't found that. So when I see a post that says I got 3 billion in 6 weeks. It just makes me wonder. |
1. How much someone plays. A person who can squeeze in 4 hours a week is going to generate far less in playing than someone who plays 4 hours a day.
2. What someone does when playing. A person who has a farm mission set to x8 players and they zoom through it is going to generate a lot more drops and inf than someone who can only slowly work through a +0/x1 map. For example I chug along through Ouroboros mostly using Unai's "To Save a Thousand Worlds". When I finish the arc I get 43 merits plus all the drops I did in it. When I want to hurry I turn the difficulty down otherwise I run it at +0/x3.
I vendor my level 50 common recipes for around 70-100k a piece. I check the market prices on both the recipes and crafted enhancements for the other recipes. Once in a while I get one worth 10s of millions though usually they are vendor fodder. I can sell the salvage or vendor it depending on my available market slots and their value.
3. Soloing or teaming. Since I solo +0/x3 I get all the drops. If I were teamed it might go faster but the drops would spread out.
4. Merits' usage. I take my merits and when I hit 100+ I do the random roll in the 35-39 level. Some end up vendored but a few score big.
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Originally Posted by Severe
ive found that most flippers are people with bad toons or bad builds...the farmers do their part by keeping what they can in stock for the market.the issue is the flippers.
if posi knew what he was doing he would place a time limit on the resale of items just obtained from the market. that way the dorks flipping wouldnt be able to flip it every 2 seconds.sure they still would be able to flip but not as fast as they like and it would bite into the money they make.wouldnt be able to stop them just like farmers but it would slow them down |
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Originally Posted by Draugadan
Really? How? I guess I just don't get the market thing. I've honestly been trying the last month. I've been in this forum reading everything I can. Most of the tutorials are old. I have 3 50's blue side. I've tried the "just play the game and sell everything" method. I've tried crafting and selling, I've tried a few other things listed on tuturials. That didn't get me 3 Billion. Heck the most I have on any of my 50's is (was... I started to buy some IO's) 120 Mil. I have to assume there is some basic simple thing I am missing.
I'd love to have some of the expensive IO's. And I'd love to find a way that fits my time/schedule to earn them myself. But so far I just haven't found that. So when I see a post that says I got 3 billion in 6 weeks. It just makes me wonder. |
In AE: I turn off exp and park cahracters at 10 or 15 or 18 depending on the character and my mood. I get tickets, roll recipes and rare salvage
Some of the recipes I slot for my own use as the triples are as good/better than SOs and the duals are far better than DOs
Rare salvage is selling over 3 million reliably, this is steady easy money. I don't sell them, but I use tickets to buy them to save the Inf. I have a constant need for rares.But if you want to sell them, more power to you. it's lucrative. 17 slots at 3 million each, if you move that much every few days... do the math (and remember salvage stacks up to 10 per slot).
Big ticket recipes are not only the -kb but also the +regen unique (last two I got sold for 43 and 62 million) and a few others that can go for closer to 1 mil
Even the ones that move for a few hundred k are worth more than any mission complete bonus at that level =)
Once I have about 120 million I unlock exp and keep playing
All my characters except one have plenty of money. I've failed at every strategy, even the "buy two and sell one" made me lose inf because no one else wanted what I bought. =)
Sell everything that drops is all that worked for me. I have two with over a billion and plenty tucked away in storage in my base. If it drops, sell it. make every single auction slot work for you on every character all the time. It adds up.
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Start off small. The AE ticket bronzes are a good way to start a bankroll. Once you have a few million to play with, up the ante a bit and craft the more expensive recipe's. You will get to the point that you can craft a stack of the expensive recipe's. Then two stacks... etc. Just remember that the more you flood a market with a particular IO, the cheaper you make that IO. So instead of flooding, dribble... |
Originally Posted by Draugadan
Really? How? I guess I just don't get the market thing. I've honestly been trying the last month. I've been in this forum reading everything I can. Most of the tutorials are old. I have 3 50's blue side. I've tried the "just play the game and sell everything" method. I've tried crafting and selling, I've tried a few other things listed on tuturials. That didn't get me 3 Billion. Heck the most I have on any of my 50's is (was... I started to buy some IO's) 120 Mil. I have to assume there is some basic simple thing I am missing.
I'd love to have some of the expensive IO's. And I'd love to find a way that fits my time/schedule to earn them myself. But so far I just haven't found that. So when I see a post that says I got 3 billion in 6 weeks. It just makes me wonder. |
Sometimes you will find a "niche" Enjoy it, they dont last forever. Try not to expose yourself too badly. It really sucks to have crafted a stack of something that is now worth less than what you bought the recipe's for.
Try to hold back from blowing your wad untill after you make a comfortable amount over a billion. I like to always keep at least a billion on my toon, so that if I need to, I can double it and hit the cap in a week.
I took me three months of casual marketing to hit my first billion. A week and a half later I hit the cap.
The guides are still good, not many guides will tell you exactly which IO to craft and sell or what salvage to flip, that constantly changes. The methods I use haven't.
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25 mil for a karma knockback
50 mil for a steath (running) ????? am I to assume getting I/O's involves farming drops and merits>? Too expensive to buy with influence? |
Apparently all I ever do is sit in the marketplace buying and selling. I have no idea how I've gotten my latest scrapper from 1 to 44 in the last 3 weeks. All those TFs I've been on must have been my imagination working overtime while staring at the market interface. And I have a bad build... who knew softcapping to all positions was such a terrible way to build your shield scrapper?
Really, since I apparently have so little knowledge of of the game, one wonders how I'm able to make money at all. I mean, how do I even know what IOs are worth buying and selling?
(Heck, on Wednesday alone I apparently imagined joining 3 consecutive Hami raids, going on a Hess TF, and then helping take down Lusca. Such an active imagination I have! How could a marketeer ever have time to do such things?)
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Originally Posted by Severe
ive found that most flippers are people with bad toons or bad builds...the farmers do their part by keeping what they can in stock for the market.the issue is the flippers.
if posi knew what he was doing he would place a time limit on the resale of items just obtained from the market. that way the dorks flipping wouldnt be able to flip it every 2 seconds.sure they still would be able to flip but not as fast as they like and it would bite into the money they make.wouldnt be able to stop them just like farmers but it would slow them down |
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ive found that most flippers are people with bad toons or bad builds...the farmers do their part by keeping what they can in stock for the market.the issue is the flippers.
if posi knew what he was doing he would place a time limit on the resale of items just obtained from the market.
that way the dorks flipping wouldnt be able to flip it every 2 seconds.sure they still would be able to flip but not as fast as they like and it would bite into the money they make.wouldnt be able to stop them just like farmers but it would slow them down