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And one inspiration every 6.3 seconds. That also isn't "normal play" - most people seem to be afraid to use their insps.
It's also not normal play for another reason - it requires a kill rate fast enough to supply inspirations that quickly. That's not achievable on a wide array of builds, primarily being reserved for those with excellent AoE powers.

Most of my characters can't generate inspiration drops at those rates, because a lot of them are more single-target-focused than AoE. That means I have to set my difficultly based on the assumption that I won't have the right inspirations on hand. When I do get them then I certainly speed up, of course.


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Minotaur's info is great.
Oh and above all, be patient. Put in bids before you go to work, or before you go to sleep or before you start playing properly. Collect and relist when you get back from work, when you wake up or between missions. Waiting on stuff to move that isn't common salvage is often an exercise in frustration. Plus other stuff needs to be done anyway and the whole beauty of the market is that your money is working away while you're doing other stuff.
Exactly, time = money


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It's also not normal play for another reason - it requires a kill rate fast enough to supply inspirations that quickly. That's not achievable on a wide array of builds, primarily being reserved for those with excellent AoE powers.
That's true, but still, many people I know don't even look at the insp tray unless they're about to die - sometimes not even then.


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I don't brag about my billions. I say i has them, and not one penny from flipping and/or buying up stuff to inflate the value to make an extra dollar or by buying inf from teh spam emails like alot of people do to afford this stuff AND i can afford anything on WW at the buy it nao prices. Nor do i put down or belittle people that don't like seeing the recipes go up month on end as they keep doing. Or insult new players that see the prices and get discouraged from messing with the goodies. But i'll be clueless and/or whatever ya wanna call me, because the insults do not hurt my feelings one bit.


 

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Nor do i put down or belittle people that don't like seeing the recipes go up month on end as they keep doing. Or insult new players that see the prices and get discouraged from messing with the goodies.
No one in these forums is known for doing any of those things. What people here belittle other posters for is the combination of decrying other players for making it "too hard" for them to use the market along with illustrated ignorance of how to use the market, plus a refusal to listen to anyone who tries to help.

I've got no problem with people who don't understand the market. There are several things about CoH's "economy" that aren't intuitive.

I've got no problem with people who think stuff is too expensive, particularly if they don't understand the market.

I've got a problem with people who come in here proclaiming regular market users as somehow denying them access to inventions, usually accompanied with pretty direct insults when folks here try to explain how (a) that's not usually the case at all and (b) what they need to know to use the market successfully.

Players in the Tanker forum don't like it when posters wander in there proclaiming that the Tanker AT sucks while showing that they know little about how the AT works, and then telling anyone who tries to explain the AT that they're just fanbois who would say anything to stand up for their favorite AT. It's one thing to not want to play a Tanker, or think it has issues. It's another to tell everyone else who likes it that they're wrong and suck.

The analogy definitely isn't perfect, but we get our version of that in here plenty often. Oh, and then we're lambasted for defending the status quo when we flame such people.

But we'll be clueless or whatever, because the insults do not hurt our feelings one bit.


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Hmm, something tells me I'm 1) not pushing my brute enough and 2) burning too few insps (bad habit of clogging up my tray with Tier 3s that just sit there).
when I had the time to burn on DA zombie runs with my fire blaster I'd have a handful of inspiration effects going at any given time. I'd manually delete rez's and collect defense by moving them to one side, everything else got burned as it dropped by pounding my F1 key when I filled up.

it's sort of amazing how much they increase your efficiency.


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when I had the time to burn on DA zombie runs with my fire blaster I'd have a handful of inspiration effects going at any given time. I'd manually delete rez's and collect defense by moving them to one side, everything else got burned as it dropped by pounding my F1 key when I filled up.

it's sort of amazing how much they increase your efficiency.
Yeah, what's funny is that I'd done that with my own Fire blaster in DA, burning them as fast as I could. I need to get out of the mode of "I need to convert and save as many purples as I can, saving them for the tough boss/EB fights." Because at this point, there really aren't any, not without running an Oro arc. And I probably fight enough bosses that everything will restock anyway.


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I know what we really did wrong. We forgot to put those disclaimers on like "Not typical results" or "Your results can and probably will vary".
Yeah, you might only make a few hundred million instead of billions. That doesn't mean you're "broke" or "can't buy anything." A few hundred million can still fund most of your build.

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And one inspiration every 6.3 seconds. That also isn't "normal play" - most people seem to be afraid to use their insps.
There is absolutely no excuse for that. They're FREE. If you turn down free buffs and complain that you "kill too slowly" or "die too much" then all I can say is lrn 2 ply n00b.


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No one in these forums is known for doing any of those things. What people here belittle other posters for is the combination of decrying other players for making it "too hard" for them to use the market along with illustrated ignorance of how to use the market, plus a refusal to listen to anyone who tries to help.

I've got no problem with people who don't understand the market. There are several things about CoH's "economy" that aren't intuitive.

I've got no problem with people who think stuff is too expensive, particularly if they don't understand the market.

I've got a problem with people who come in here proclaiming regular market users as somehow denying them access to inventions, usually accompanied with pretty direct insults when folks here try to explain how (a) that's not usually the case at all and (b) what they need to know to use the market successfully.

Players in the Tanker forum don't like it when posters wander in there proclaiming that the Tanker AT sucks while showing that they know little about how the AT works, and then telling anyone who tries to explain the AT that they're just fanbois who would say anything to stand up for their favorite AT. It's one thing to not want to play a Tanker, or think it has issues. It's another to tell everyone else who likes it that they're wrong and suck.

The analogy definitely isn't perfect, but we get our version of that in here plenty often. Oh, and then we're lambasted for defending the status quo when we flame such people.

But we'll be clueless or whatever, because the insults do not hurt our feelings one bit.
Analogy is spot on. I understand what you're saying BUT look at the first couple replies. Those are what people usually get in this section for complaining about the prices. Noone said anything about marketeers, just the prices and flame on.

Now, i don't blame the market users because i use WW everyday to sell mostly. What i do NOT like is the manipulators because certain areas of the market system is very easily manipulated. Especially on vills. At first, i blamed marketeers in general until i seen people define that word differently. Now, i blame the drop rates or lack thereof.

When i can run a farm solo at x8 and get 1 or 2 recipes for how many mobs in a farm, is silly low to me. And on teams, forget it. Ive ran 3 ITF's in the last week, and got 1 total recipe to fall. Now, try to IO a toon relatively fast at level 25-35. It's alot tougher than at level 40 or 50 where the recipe caps are. Why is that?

O well, off to farm now. Peace.


 

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Analogy is spot on. I understand what you're saying BUT look at the first couple replies. Those are what people usually get in this section for complaining about the prices. Noone said anything about marketeers, just the prices and flame on.
I would also point out that the first few replies are from one person.
One person != the forum



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In particular, one person who has a very, very low tolerance for people who will stand in front of a sign saying 'THIS WAY TO THE EXIT' who then cry to the room that they don't know how to find the exit.

WITCHES I say. WITCHES.


 

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Obviousness is subjective.

What's moronically simple to you may not be immediately apparent to someone else and vice versa.


 

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when I had the time to burn on DA zombie runs with my fire blaster I'd have a handful of inspiration effects going at any given time. I'd manually delete rez's and collect defense by moving them to one side, everything else got burned as it dropped by pounding my F1 key when I filled up.

it's sort of amazing how much they increase your efficiency.
Nothing quite like going from an empty tray to a full tray with the activation of one power. >.>


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Obviousness is subjective.

What's moronically simple to you may not be immediately apparent to someone else and vice versa.
Hence why I drew the comparison to a large sign written on the wall designed to direct people's attention towards the information they're likely to come here to seek.

Like, you know, the guides.


 

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Hence why I drew the comparison to a large sign written on the wall designed to direct people's attention towards the information they're likely to come here to seek.

Like, you know, the guides.
Yeah, I understood your analogy. It's as obvious as a giant exit sign to you, but maybe not to everyone else.

There are guides here on how to make influence. The ones that are stickied at the top of each forum, but still possible to miss if you dont hang out here too often. The ones where the links are broken on the first post because of the forum migration a while back.

Is not knowing this, and just asking a basic question in a forum called "Player Help" really worthy of ridicule though?


 

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Sure, hence why I ridiculed him. Same as I would if he'd complained about his farm being shut down. The devs put the information there, it's at the top of the page; what more do you want?


 

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Yeah, I understood your analogy. It's as obvious as a giant exit sign to you, but maybe not to everyone else.

There are guides here on how to make influence. The ones that are stickied at the top of each forum, but still possible to miss if you dont hang out here too often. The ones where the links are broken on the first post because of the forum migration a while back.

Is not knowing this, and just asking a basic question in a forum called "Player Help" really worthy of ridicule though?
Some people aren't capable of normal conversation based on how they were raised, so they grow up to be bitter and talk to people like that. I'd feel more pity for their kids though than the posters they attack for no reason.


 

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Sure, hence why I ridiculed him. Same as I would if he'd complained about his farm being shut down. The devs put the information there, it's at the top of the page; what more do you want?
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Some people aren't capable of normal conversation based on how they were raised....
I bet you were gazing longingly into the mirror when you typed that.


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Some people aren't capable of normal conversation based on how they were raised, so they grow up to be bitter and talk to people like that. I'd feel more pity for their kids though than the posters they attack for no reason.
And some people just have to chime in with their own insults and put-downs.
It's sad, really.

Or should I just have said, "Pot, meet kettle."?


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I want a lollipop too but there are none for sale redside
I'll sell you one off-market for 3B.


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And some people just have to chime in with their own insults and put-downs.
It's sad, really.

Or should I just have said, "Pot, meet kettle."?
No, that was a correct statement on what happens when kids aren't raised properly and an opinion. Nowhere was an insult typed or a person named for it to be an insult. And i do feel sorry for people like that because alot of times it leads to criminal acts like HATE CRIMES and such.


 

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like HATE CRIMES and such.
I do so much prefer it when I'm assaulted without being hated at the same time. Why can't I be lovingly mugged?