i/o prices
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Everyone has valid points.
Theres lots of ways to increase your inf income, they have all been mentioned.
When I'm needing inf for a new build/character, I simply don't purchase anything unless I really need it. Sell sell sell, keep the good ones or sell the good ones, slowly increasing your bank. By doing this by time my last 50 was ready to do final respec and io. I had saved up 1.3 bill, this gave me enough to fully io my team build with regular IO's and get a great start on my so called pve build on my dp/dm.
It's all on how you want to place your priorities. Just because its nice to have that long list of bonuses under your power list, really doesnt make you a better player.
Bottom line do what works for you, but at the same time its a game, have fun doing it.
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Did someone set out a kettle of sweetened marketears? Where are all these casual warshades coming from?
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He is down to less than 100M influence though so I am going to hope Unai will be generous so I can rebuild my influence. Oh wait. What will I need influence for now?
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
well, besides all the free advice on how to get fabulously wealthy, the grooming tips, the fabulous recipes and Swellguy letting you borrow his virtual truck to move, sure.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Totally. All the free advice and inf. I have given out was actually anti-money and and anti-advice.
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We all know all the folks in this part of the forums are INSANELY EBIL BASTICHES twirling their mustaches.
Was that too much on the sarcasm meter?
EDIT: Oh, and op is a newb.
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Yeah, and all those folks who have come back and posted that they used tips they read here to make a bil+ inf on boths sides repeatedly (/em raises hand) are just figments of imagination.
We all know all the folks in this part of the forums are INSANELY EBIL BASTICHES twirling their mustaches. Was that too much on the sarcasm meter? EDIT: Oh, and op is a newb. |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
Really? How? I guess I just don't get the market thing. I've honestly been trying the last month. I've been in this forum reading everything I can. Most of the tutorials are old. I have 3 50's blue side. I've tried the "just play the game and sell everything" method. I've tried crafting and selling, I've tried a few other things listed on tuturials. That didn't get me 3 Billion. Heck the most I have on any of my 50's is (was... I started to buy some IO's) 120 Mil. I have to assume there is some basic simple thing I am missing.
I'd love to have some of the expensive IO's. And I'd love to find a way that fits my time/schedule to earn them myself. But so far I just haven't found that. So when I see a post that says I got 3 billion in 6 weeks. It just makes me wonder. |
1) really good lucky drops that sold for a truckload of cash
2) leveraging serious market know-how, usually some variation flipping. (I include buying recipes and selling crafted for way more than the cost of salvage in this category.)
Note that (2) tends to accelerate the more inf you have to invest, so (1) plus (2) creates what can seem unbelievable earning rates.
To give you an example, I've played the same character pretty extensively for about 4 months now. In that time, I went from 18-50 (the character sat at 18 for a long time), got a purple and two respec recipes, completely IO'd out the build, and ended up with 2.2B inf. Then I threw 2B of that inf at the market for a PvP IO, and have earned back 850M. This was with no flipping, but with a fairly intensive play schedule, ranging from 2-4 hours a day most weekdays, and more like 2-6 on weekends.
Early on I buy IOs strategically, so that I get good bang for my buck as I level up. This includes things like making sure I have ED maxed attributes on powers' primary functions along with strong endurance reduction, plus accuracy and recharge where appropriate. Then I use merits or very careful bidding to go for big-impact goods like Miracles, Numinas, etc. I also go for some of the moderate cost, big improvement goods, like Performance Shifter procs, Kismet +toHit uniuqe, and the low-level KB protection IOs.
My goals are usually to build strong soloers. I team pretty often, but when I solo I like to push the envelope. How much you earn per hour played is a function of how much you team, and how many people you team with. Because I do solo a lot, I get to keep all those goodies. Because I build strong soloers, I can take on more than a typical share of foes, usually running at +2 set for x4-x6, with bosses enabled and AVs disabled for most purposes.
The goal when I play solo is to be challenged, but not so much that I have to retreat often. Having to fall back means I am moving through my foes slower. The sweet spot is to put things just shy of getting killed without having to run away to keep from getting killed. If having something slow down how fast you kill foes means you end up losing, you're probably doing it right (unless that happens too often!) Of course, there are builds that ... really can't be killed by most foes, and for them the sweet spot is whatever nets them the best XP or inf/time, or the best defeats/time if the focus is drops. My feeling is that +2 is the sweet spot on XP/inf per time, and +0 or +1 is probably the best for drops/time. At level 50, you get more drops/time at -2, but you also get non-50 uncommon/rare drops, and the sale prices on those is a lot lower.
When I team, it's to play TFs. I probably play 2-3 TFs per day I play. That's a good 40-60 merits a day. I spend a bit (but not a lot) of time figuring out how to best convert those into cash, assuming I am interest in doing so. (I usually am interested in doing so.) Sometimes I just random roll. Sometimes I buy explicit recipes with the intention to craft and sell them.
So I play a lot at 50, solo a lot at pretty high (but not farming-level) efficiency, team primarily to earn merits, and sell most anything I can't use targeted to sell within 1-3 days at something like 90%-100% of the highest regularly occurring sale price for the item.
Something else to bear in mind is that how fast people like me or more hardcore marketeers convert playtime into money is actually a function of how expensive things are. The more stuff costs, the faster we make money on the market. Lately, hero-side prices have crashed on quite a few high-end goods, and my refill rate on the character I described above took a hit as a result.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
(Smurphy): I rarely farm but here is Herostats data of my Brute doing silly things.
19 and a half minutes. 29 Recipes. A safe guess would be 1 purple per hour. I think it averages to one purple every other run. Obviously, that's not exactly "normal character abilities doing normal stuff".
So that's some pretty good income. I think if one did boring stuff like that regularly over 6 weeks they'd reach 6B. I don't plan on doing the math nor a test run. Or was it 3B in 6 weeks? or 3B in 6 days? I wasn't paying enough attention.
Hmm, something tells me I'm 1) not pushing my brute enough and 2) burning too few insps (bad habit of clogging up my tray with Tier 3s that just sit there).
Suggestions:
Super Packs Done Right
Influence Sink: IO Level Mod/Recrafting
Random Merit Rolls: Scale cost by Toon Level
ive found that most flippers are people with bad toons or bad builds...the farmers do their part by keeping what they can in stock for the market.the issue is the flippers.
if posi knew what he was doing he would place a time limit on the resale of items just obtained from the market. that way the dorks flipping wouldnt be able to flip it every 2 seconds.sure they still would be able to flip but not as fast as they like and it would bite into the money they make.wouldnt be able to stop them just like farmers but it would slow them down |
People like you tend to misunderstand how the market works and you assume that every person that plays the market tries to jack prices up. Fortunately you are wrong, because the market doesn't work that way in most cases ( IOs with very limited supply are subject to different rules) .
I am an ebil markeeter and will steal your moneiz ...correction stole your moneiz. I support keeping the poor down because it is impossible to make moneiz in this game.
Paragon City Search And Rescue
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You have people that don't do anything but sit in WW flipping recipes or buying stuff up just to inflate the market. This section of the forums is mainly just to beat people down that don't want to participate in their way of thinking. If you want to post in here and not get flamed, just post a pic of the billions you've made or ask them how to make uber inf so they can say, "find a niche" or "learn to flip" and make them feel special. lol.
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Let's just look at the first sentence above. Absolutely true that some people sit in WW flipping stuff. If you actually think they do it with the goal of inflating the market, you are utterly clueless. The goal is to get more influence/infamy. The overwhelming majority of people are not spiteful. However, many many people ARE greedy. But the greedy people aren't trying to push prices up. They don't CARE if they drive prices up. They care about raking in the moolah.
Oh, and....
This section of the forums is mainly just to beat people down that don't want to participate in their way of thinking. |
Paragon City Search And Rescue
The Mentor Project
that way the dorks flipping wouldnt be able to flip it every 2 seconds.
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For flipping to work, you need to buy at the low end of the range of price fluctuations and sell at the high end. This requires PATIENCE. The flippers will put in a great many bids at super-cheap prices and WAIT. Then they will list the items at the upper end of the price range and WAIT.
Did'ja ever maybe pay attention and notice that flippers talk about being held back by how many market slots they have? If they were standing there flipping stuff every 2 seconds, they'd do fine with 2 or 3 slots.
Paragon City Search And Rescue
The Mentor Project
So when I see a post that says I got 3 billion in 6 weeks. It just makes me wonder.
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Someone posted a list of.... I think it was 9 ways to earn inf. At one time or another, I've done all of them. When I first decided to purple a toon (I've only ever purpled one toon), I WORKED at it. I didn't really enjoy it, but I wanted the result and I don't regret the tedium.
In general, for me and I think for most who 'play the market', we only do as much as necessary. As long as I'm earning faster than I'm spending, I'm in good shape. And since it takes me months to get a toon to 50 (I exemp a lot), and my IO builds only cost me 100-200 million influence, I don't need a lot of cash. I'll IO my toons when they hit the mid-30's and by the time they get to 50, they've earned most of the money the next toon will need. Or a lot more than the next toon will need if I get a single good purple drop. 'Just playing' should bring in enough cash for most players - AFTER you've gotten someone to 50. The first one might struggle for cash while leveling. But once you have a 50, and particularly if you play them much at all after hitting 50, you're set from that point on.
P.S. Oh, one thing that occurred to me. I like doing TF's so I have a lot of merits. My builds are relatively cheap since, if I need something RARE, I buy it with merits. On the other hand, most of my builds DON'T need anything rare.
Paragon City Search And Rescue
The Mentor Project
HEY! There can only be one beggar in this town and that's me! I've got senority and I've got squatter's rights to this whole area.
Teams are the number one killer of soloists.
ive found that most flippers are people with bad toons or bad builds...the farmers do their part by keeping what they can in stock for the market.the issue is the flippers.
if posi knew what he was doing he would place a time limit on the resale of items just obtained from the market. that way the dorks flipping wouldnt be able to flip it every 2 seconds.sure they still would be able to flip but not as fast as they like and it would bite into the money they make.wouldnt be able to stop them just like farmers but it would slow them down |
If posi knew what he was doing he'd listen to the folks in this forum and he'd have all ready merged the markets.
If people wouldn't list things for less than than going rate, flippers wouldn't have any margin to flip in.
If people wouldn't pay 3 times the value of something so they can have it NAO, flippers wouldn't have any incentive to flip.
If farmers wouldn't farm there wouldn't be anything to buy or sell and no flipping could occur.
If people who can't add wouldn't reproduce their children wouldn't post hogwash in this forum.
The goat refers to these as the "magic pony solutions" for good reason.
YMMV. Now get off my lawn!
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Really? How? I guess I just don't get the market thing. I've honestly been trying the last month. I've been in this forum reading everything I can. Most of the tutorials are old. I have 3 50's blue side. I've tried the "just play the game and sell everything" method. I've tried crafting and selling, I've tried a few other things listed on tuturials. That didn't get me 3 Billion. Heck the most I have on any of my 50's is (was... I started to buy some IO's) 120 Mil. I have to assume there is some basic simple thing I am missing.
I'd love to have some of the expensive IO's. And I'd love to find a way that fits my time/schedule to earn them myself. But so far I just haven't found that. So when I see a post that says I got 3 billion in 6 weeks. It just makes me wonder. |
Level 50 SO'd buffing defenders can earn 1 million influence in an hour just from mob defeats. The devs recently "addressed" a long standing bug that caused exemplared toons to earn influence at half the intended rate.
With those 2 things in mind an SO'd defender should be able to rake in about 2 million an hour. Buffing defenders are one of, if not the, lowest damage output toons on either side.
If the content you are running is AE content you get tickets. The best way to use tickets is as mentioned, on bronze rolls. I don't waste them on rare salvage since salvage is generated fairly quickly and I can put in a bid at 80% of going rate and have the bid fill in 24 hours or less.
If you want to generate even more wealth stop doing radio missions and solo story arcs or do flash backs at your toon's level. Not only do you get all the influence but you get common recipe drops that you can sell, salvage that you can market, and odd rare pool A recipe that sells for multi-millions. All that and at the end of the story arc you get merits that can be used to try to get lucky random rolls or can be accumulated and spent to get exactly what you want.
With all of the above an SO'd defender can easily rake in an average of 5 mil per hour of play time by selling on the market and to vendors.
Now triple or quadruple that earning speed for a damage dealing AT like a scrapper, brute, or blaster.
Add in some of the IO set bonuses you are getting as you slot some of the drops you are getting and it's easy to double or triple that rate.
The faster you earn rewards the faster you can earn rewards its an ever expanding spiral that doesn't slow down until you have your toon fully IOd out at which time you lock in your maximum earning rate also at which time you have nothing else to spend inf on except reaching the inf cap and waiting for the next new shiny to be introduced to the game.
-Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein.
-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
-When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson
25 mil for a karma knockback
50 mil for a steath (running) ????? am I to assume getting I/O's involves farming drops and merits>? Too expensive to buy with influence? |
That's all you'll get in the market section. Sorry, move on.
My advice, create a farm toon and farm, farm, farm. I have about 7 purpled toons across 2 accounts and over 4 bil in cash and a bin full of purples and other stuff like Miracles Recovs and i don't buy much from the market. I keep the orange salvage in bins also. You have people that don't do anything but sit in WW flipping recipes or buying stuff up just to inflate the market. This section of the forums is mainly just to beat people down that don't want to participate in their way of thinking. If you want to post in here and not get flamed, just post a pic of the billions you've made or ask them how to make uber inf so they can say, "find a niche" or "learn to flip" and make them feel special. lol. |
ive found that most flippers are people with bad toons or bad builds...the farmers do their part by keeping what they can in stock for the market.the issue is the flippers.
if posi knew what he was doing he would place a time limit on the resale of items just obtained from the market. that way the dorks flipping wouldnt be able to flip it every 2 seconds.sure they still would be able to flip but not as fast as they like and it would bite into the money they make.wouldnt be able to stop them just like farmers but it would slow them down |
Could the three of you come back with legitimate complaints about the market ? There are plenty of legitimate things that you could be upset about but you have completely missed them all. Whats more you have deprived me of opportunities to mock this forum.
Please try to do better.
(Smurphy): I rarely farm but here is Herostats data of my Brute doing silly things.
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I had a scrapper was a bit squishy whil levelling, so I created a bind that included every Tier 1 /insp_exec_name command except greens and blues, and I constantly mashed it. Suddenly, he was godly, even though his build was nothing special. Even with my level 50 characters with complete builds, regular inspiration use makes a HUGE difference.
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Really? How? I guess I just don't get the market thing. I've honestly been trying the last month. I've been in this forum reading everything I can. Most of the tutorials are old. I have 3 50's blue side. I've tried the "just play the game and sell everything" method. I've tried crafting and selling, I've tried a few other things listed on tuturials. That didn't get me 3 Billion. Heck the most I have on any of my 50's is (was... I started to buy some IO's) 120 Mil. I have to assume there is some basic simple thing I am missing.
I'd love to have some of the expensive IO's. And I'd love to find a way that fits my time/schedule to earn them myself. But so far I just haven't found that. So when I see a post that says I got 3 billion in 6 weeks. It just makes me wonder. |
Firstly I play a LOT. I solod a stalker 1-50 in about 3 weeks, checking the market and doing stuff every 2 or 3 missions. This was a completely fresh server, so I levelled a load of lowbies up to 6 or 10 so to get some market slots to sell my loot, and created a one man SG to have a base for storage and so I could transfer stuff between toons. A friend created a toon that could invite my alts. I actually stayed in SG mode throughout so could have earned more.
I say I earned 3BN, that was what I ended up with, but the build on the stalker probably spent most of another billion. I earned very little from playing, one 80M (at the time, would be a lot more now) purple was the only truly expensive drop I got, but I did get some decent stuff (20M type stuff not the real goodies) with the merits I earned off arcs when I rolled them at 50.
The cash was made on the market. At the time I was able to buy stacks of uncommon salvage at 10K each and sell them for 100K. The turnover time as stupid, I'd put the bids up and come back 2 missions later and that was a million a stack in profit. When you have 10 such stacks and are making 10M every half hour on a good day, that soon mounts up. This niche is no longer really worth doing.
I got field crafter (probably unnecessary, although getting the badges that give you extra salvage slots is essential), then got the badges for the level 50 common IOs that I thought I could turn a profit on. I probably approximately broke even on getting the badges. Then I'd craft a vast number of common IOs, dump them in my base and use the army of lowbies to sell them. Load them all up in the morning with stuff to sell, check/refill in the evening. If you're selling 100+ of these a day at 250K profit each, that's a nice steady income stream.
Once I got my first billion, I moved on to set IOs. I looked at the market and found recipes I could buy and craft for say 2M but that I could sell the crafted enhancement in decent numbers at 10M+. That accelerated my earning power. The next 2BN arrived fairly fast.
I've never really taken any great risks, just steady accumulation of infamy. I could probably have made inf faster, but I didn't want to risk getting caught with a stack of 10 purples when the price crashed for example so I never really went after the expensive items.
Most of my recipe niches I found by dropping the enhancement in normal play, or needing to buy one for my build, and it becoming apparent from looking at the prices that there was a profit to be made by buying the recipe and selling the crafted enhancement.
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Minotaur's info is great.
Just to elaborate on the set IO bit:
What I found to be a really helpful tip when looking for good niches to work with was a tip I read in this forum somewhere.
Stuff that people always want is the stuff that moves well. In order to get a good idea of what people always want, look at your own builds. Look at the sets you're always using, the sort-of default sets for types of powers. Look at builds from all over the forums, you'll it's always the same sets coming up again and again.
I saw in my builds I was using a lot of Decimations or Thunderstrikes in my ranged attacks, Posi Blasts in my TAoEs, Crushing Impacts/Touch of Deaths/Mako's Bites in my melee attacks and so on.
And all of this stuff sells for different amounts. For example, Decimations can be on the pricier side, (20-40m for some pieces), whereas Crushing Impacts or Doctored Wounds rarely go for more than 5-10m. So start with the cheaper stuff and work your way up.
A good rule of thumb is to reinvest about half the profit you make back into bids for stuff. If you get 50m profit off a flip, bid in 25m of bids on stuff. That way you're constantly active on the market as well as having cash on hand for when you want to BUY IT NAO for yourself.
Another thing I found useful was getting an idea for how people are lazy. People paying the BUY IT NAO prices on crafted stuff are where the big bucks are. For me, I'll generally not bother crafting something unless there are no crafteds for sale or the price difference is truly huge, (as it can be on a lot of big ticket items like purples, LotG 7.5s, Miracle +recs, etc), because I am super lazy.
Rare is the person who buys recipes for every IO in their build and crafts them up. Common is the person who buys recipes for the pricey stuff to craft. So. What do you do? You spend a lot of time making the 'filler' type stuff. The meat and potatoes of builds. Going back to what I said above, this is pretty much all attack stuff. Almost everyone has attacks, but per build you can only have a few purple sets, so all the other attacks are gonna have low-mid priced stuff. Work on that stuff.
The stuff that doesn't cost so much that people will just say fuggit and buy the crafted version.
Oh and above all, be patient. Put in bids before you go to work, or before you go to sleep or before you start playing properly. Collect and relist when you get back from work, when you wake up or between missions. Waiting on stuff to move that isn't common salvage is often an exercise in frustration. Plus other stuff needs to be done anyway and the whole beauty of the market is that your money is working away while you're doing other stuff.
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IOP, if you think the prices on Karmas are high, why not run some AE and cash in your tickets on Bronze rolls? You might get your Karma and will get some other recipes you can probably craft and sell for influence.
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Go back to the AE building and cash in your tickets for that salvage....profit
Lisa-Done that
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And don't forget the market for the Orange Salvage. Run AE missions for tickets, then when you have quite a pile, go to WW and see for what prices the various oranges are selling for.
Go back to the AE building and cash in your tickets for that salvage....profit Lisa-Done that |
How good an idea it is to churn through bronze rolls looking for a decent profit depends a lot on the market. There have been times since the AE came out that it was clearly better to spend tickets on rolls and just buy salvage with profits, and times where it's not so clear. I consider now a "not so clear" time.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Did someone set out a kettle of sweetened marketears? Where are all these casual warshades coming from?
There are no words for what this community, and the friends I have made here mean to me. Please know that I care for all of you, yes, even you. If you Twitter, I'm MrThan. If you're Unleashed, I'm dumps. I'll try and get registered on the Titan Forums as well. Peace, and thanks for the best nine years anyone could ever ask for.