Rumours about an electricity control set - any truth to them?


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At least we have a dev response on the topic. Put the rumors to bed so we can move on to the next thing.....................
Like the next set of rumors?


 

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You want electric control? Just roll a Technology electric defender and plop hold and stun procs in each power, and take the hold and immob from the Electric mastery APP. Not very good area control but you'll probably hold a single target faster and better than any controller. Done.


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Thank you, Castle.

This is the kind of communication that I, as a player, have never ever gotten from any other development team of any other MMORPG that I have ever played.

This kind of openness and willingness to talk about things going on behind the scenes is refreshing, amazing, and very very very welcome. I dare say that it is practically unique among the industry, and it is the reason I consider City of Heroes to be the best MMORPG with the best community and the best development team ever.
^ This....

Although if you want to say what is in GR beyond Demon Summoning and Dual Pistols then please, go ahead


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Sunstorm worked on Electric Control as a training exercise when he first started working for us. The set is currently sitting in the spreadsheet I have set aside for such things. It was a good effort, but by no means ready for release, and there hasn't been any announcement of us working on the set at all.

I'm not ruling out Electrical Control as a set, but it is only one of several sets that are in the wings waiting for the thumbs up to proceed with.
Is very disappointed seeing this...


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*Ponders*

Elec/elec dominators? Yes please!

*edit* Oooh..then we could finally make mu characters!

This is my dream...


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Sunstorm worked on Electric Control as a training exercise when he first started working for us. The set is currently sitting in the spreadsheet I have set aside for such things. It was a good effort, but by no means ready for release, and there hasn't been any announcement of us working on the set at all.

I'm not ruling out Electrical Control as a set, but it is only one of several sets that are in the wings waiting for the thumbs up to proceed with.
How hard would it be for you to also take the armors from electric armor, energy aura and stone armor and turn them into buff sets for defenders, controllers, masterminds and corruptors to use? Naturally stone armor has too many shields powers so you'd want to merge it down to 2 shields maybe magma minerals (merged minerals and brimstone armor) for fire resist and psi defense and use earths embrace as a single target heal + hitpoint buff.

Probably alot of sets you could make just by pulling powers from other sets to make them but I figure it is no doubt more complex than that. I'm just wondering if its ever been considered.

It would be nice for those of us that like to use themed characters instead of mixing electricity with forcefields I could have electricity blasts and electrical shields and maybe a toggle shield that saps endurance from enemies that get near me or my team mates and replenishes my own.

Oh and please port thermal radiation and fire blast over to defenders at some point please


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How hard would it be for you to also take the armors from electric armor, energy aura and stone armor and turn them into buff sets for defenders, controllers, masterminds and corruptors to use? Naturally stone armor has too many shields powers so you'd want to merge it down to 2 shields maybe magma minerals (merged minerals and brimstone armor) for fire resist and psi defense and use earths embrace as a single target heal + hitpoint buff.

Probably alot of sets you could make just by pulling powers from other sets to make them but I figure it is no doubt more complex than that. I'm just wondering if its ever been considered.

It would be nice for those of us that like to use themed characters instead of mixing electricity with forcefields I could have electricity blasts and electrical shields and maybe a toggle shield that saps endurance from enemies that get near me or my team mates and replenishes my own.

Oh and please port thermal radiation and fire blast over to defenders at some point please
Bots/Elec MM?? DO want


 

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Originally Posted by Castle View Post
Sunstorm worked on Electric Control as a training exercise when he first started working for us. The set is currently sitting in the spreadsheet I have set aside for such things. It was a good effort, but by no means ready for release, and there hasn't been any announcement of us working on the set at all.

I'm not ruling out Electrical Control as a set, but it is only one of several sets that are in the wings waiting for the thumbs up to proceed with.
I hate to sound like I'm disagreeing but I distinctly recall one of the people posting from Herocon saying that Electric Control was in the works as an upcoming powerset. So perhaps not an OFFICIAL announcement, but an announcement none the less.

Either way I'm looking forward to seeing it if it makes the cut and gets to the game. I'm also very curious now as to what these other sets waiting in the wings are. Haha, any chance you can tell us some ideas you guys are seriously tossing around or is it all hush hush?


 

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15th post after Red Name!

Seriously tho, in a way I'm glad it isn't coming yet. I have enough fun character projects in the works as it is!

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*looks at Castle, looks at Sunstorm*

Hey guys, if I make you brownies, will you finish Electrical Control? Please? (If not by GOING ROGUE, then Issue 18 would be fine.)

I promise, the buzz will keep you awake and raring to go for about a week. Just let me know what alcohol you want as your flavouring and I'll send it up to Mountain View.

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I'll one up Michelle here.

Unless this is released, I shall have the Brownie Godess kidnapped and held captive in an undisclosed location in another land (although, I would let her out on Fridays once THIS stuff gets going down if she is interested. Or if "The Play" is started up again this year down the street) until it's released.


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Originally Posted by Starcloud View Post
Thank you, Castle.

This is the kind of communication that I, as a player, have never ever gotten from any other development team of any other MMORPG that I have ever played.

This kind of openness and willingness to talk about things going on behind the scenes is refreshing, amazing, and very very very welcome. I dare say that it is practically unique among the industry, and it is the reason I consider City of Heroes to be the best MMORPG with the best community and the best development team ever.
Yes indeed. Well said. I agree completely. I have many other questions (one of them being is Sunstorm still around... his name is white not red on forum don't cha know?).

But I won't push my luck here .


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O.o so what are the other sets that are waiting on a thumbs up ????
Carp Melee?


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Sunstorm worked on Electric Control as a training exercise when he first started working for us. The set is currently sitting in the spreadsheet I have set aside for such things. It was a good effort, but by no means ready for release, and there hasn't been any announcement of us working on the set at all.

I'm not ruling out Electrical Control as a set, but it is only one of several sets that are in the wings waiting for the thumbs up to proceed with.
So... Sunstorm joined the forums 10 July 2008, which may or may not be when he actually joined the CoH dev team. Assuming that was the starting date and that some time was spent developing Electric Control, it means that this powerset has been sitting in the spreadsheets for probably over 12 months.

Makes sense - I'm sure there are a ton of hypothetical power options that sit in spreadsheets, from a "I wonder what this would look like?" to the "powersets still waiting to be signed off on".

Plus 'sitting in the spreadsheet' obviously says nothing for things like animation development. And that Sunstorm is now no longer a red name (so I guess he isn't looking after bases anymore either) is also interesting info.


 

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Originally Posted by Castle View Post
Sunstorm worked on Electric Control as a training exercise when he first started working for us. The set is currently sitting in the spreadsheet I have set aside for such things. It was a good effort, but by no means ready for release, and there hasn't been any announcement of us working on the set at all.

I'm not ruling out Electrical Control as a set, but it is only one of several sets that are in the wings waiting for the thumbs up to proceed with.
I'm glad to see you are not just throwing out another crappy looking electric AT. You take all the time you want with this set as long as it looks like a shiny new penny.


 

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Sunstorm worked on Electric Control as a training exercise when he first started working for us. The set is currently sitting in the spreadsheet I have set aside for such things. It was a good effort, but by no means ready for release, and there hasn't been any announcement of us working on the set at all.

I'm not ruling out Electrical Control as a set, but it is only one of several sets that are in the wings waiting for the thumbs up to proceed with.
I'm almost positive i read something where Posi said Elec control *was* coming in a future update. Like maybe the one after GR. It was one of them off site intervews... I have no idea were to look at this point...

I was really pumped for Elec control. I mean it's still possible i suppose...


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t will probably be released with the issue release that accompanies Going Rogue (Issue 18), since the two major new Powersets (Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning) will have already been completed and tested before Going Rogue goes to beta.
I misunderstood this originally... Sorry!


 

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Thank you very much, Castle, for coming in here to dispell this rumour. This kind of communication makes y'all great. It helps us avoid unfounded expectations and reduces complaints.

Electric Control might be OK, but I would personally rather see a Gadgets set. Like Dual Pistols, I could see loading the Immob and the Hold powers with different materials to get different secondary effects: Ice for slow and -Rech, Fire for extra damage, Stone/Earth for -Defense, something else for -ToHit, etc. Maybe even have a different AoE effect depending upon the load: Ice would give an Ice Slick or an AoE confuse, Fire has a Stun, etc.


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Electric Control might be OK, but I would personally rather see a Gadgets set.
Well, the problem with dismissing Electric Control outright is that it leaves Electric Assault without a corresponding Primary. And brings up the question of why such an Assault Set was even made in the first place. It isn't technically Proliferation, after all, there is no other Electric Assault set in any other AT, so it had to be created, not just ported over from an existing set. We're also coming very close to the point where there will be no more Proliferation options for Dominators and Controllers.

While Riot Control (my favorite name for the concept, personally ) is a great idea, a lot more would go into creating it. There are no existing powers that could be scavenged for the Set, and whole new animations and graphics would have to be created for it. (I think something like a glue gun or other wierd-looking weapon would be neat, although I would think grenades would probably be the most logical delivery system) Plus, there will need to be a Secondary to go with it, although a combination of Dual Pistols and Martial Arts might be in theme.


 

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It isn't technically Proliferation, after all, there is no other Electric Assault set in any other AT, so it had to be created, not just ported over from an existing set.
Yes, but every single power in it was pre-existing. So yes, they had to assemble the set, and tweak the powers for the Dominator stuff, but even Earth Assault had more work go into it.


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Well, the problem with dismissing Electric Control outright is that it leaves Electric Assault without a corresponding Primary. And brings up the question of why such an Assault Set was even made in the first place. It isn't technically Proliferation, after all, there is no other Electric Assault set in any other AT, so it had to be created, not just ported over from an existing set. We're also coming very close to the point where there will be no more Proliferation options for Dominators and Controllers.

While Riot Control (my favorite name for the concept, personally ) is a great idea, a lot more would go into creating it. There are no existing powers that could be scavenged for the Set, and whole new animations and graphics would have to be created for it. (I think something like a glue gun or other wierd-looking weapon would be neat, although I would think grenades would probably be the most logical delivery system) Plus, there will need to be a Secondary to go with it, although a combination of Dual Pistols and Martial Arts might be in theme.

I'm actually not a fan of corresponding sets. What I like about Controllers is that there are very few sets in the Primary that are the "perfect" match to a set in the secondary. I personally think that the strive to keep sets matched holds Blasters and Dominators back. I especially don't want to see new Controller sets limited to what happens to be a match for a Dominator.

Take a suggested set like Insect Control. There is no exact Insect secondary, but there are plenty of conceptual matches. Insect/Radiation (I'm a mutated insect myself), Insect/Sonic (I'm able to summon insects with a sound, like the pied piper), Insect/Thermal (a "fire bug"), Insect/Kinetics (a speedy bug), Insect/Trick Arrow (I'm a... guy who controls insects and uses a trick arrow).

I think Electric Control would be just fine if the opportunity cost is low and its easy to port the set over using existing assets. However, it doesn't bring into new conceptual territory the way Pain, Shields, Demons, and Dual Pistols have. Not to mention I'm really tired of characters with 'Tesla' in their name.


 

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Originally Posted by Castle View Post
Sunstorm worked on Electric Control as a training exercise when he first started working for us. The set is currently sitting in the spreadsheet I have set aside for such things. It was a good effort, but by no means ready for release, and there hasn't been any announcement of us working on the set at all.

I'm not ruling out Electrical Control as a set, but it is only one of several sets that are in the wings waiting for the thumbs up to proceed with.
I am probably not the first but I haven't read the whole forum.

/em thumbs up.

Proceed with that Castle, by all means.

All of them, Electric control and the other sets that are waiting in the wings. You don't have to have it by GR, but some time soon is fine.


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Well, the problem with dismissing Electric Control outright is that it leaves Electric Assault without a corresponding Primary. And brings up the question of why such an Assault Set was even made in the first place. It isn't technically Proliferation, after all, there is no other Electric Assault set in any other AT, so it had to be created, not just ported over from an existing set. We're also coming very close to the point where there will be no more Proliferation options for Dominators and Controllers.

While Riot Control (my favorite name for the concept, personally ) is a great idea, a lot more would go into creating it. There are no existing powers that could be scavenged for the Set, and whole new animations and graphics would have to be created for it. (I think something like a glue gun or other wierd-looking weapon would be neat, although I would think grenades would probably be the most logical delivery system) Plus, there will need to be a Secondary to go with it, although a combination of Dual Pistols and Martial Arts might be in theme.
Like Oedipus, I don't see a need for corresponding sets. The older Controller primaries and secondaries don't have any corresponding sets. Some recent additions could be in that category -- Ice/Cold or Fire/Thermal (I suppose an argument could be made for Grav/Kin). Maybe that's the trend for Corrupters, but I prefer Controllers.

I suspect "Electric Control" would essentially be a control set cobbled together from existing powers in the game -- Electric Fences, Tesla Cage, etc. In effect, it would be mostly "more of the same" with one or two unique powers. Yes, that would be far less expensive to put together. But I would prefer something kind of new and different. Plant was different enough from other sets to have been a nice addition. A gadget set could be like that. (I'd love to see a Dalak-like pet, rather than a recycled robot that already exists, but there might be trademark issues.) There could be a lot of options to put such a set together . . . make it high-tech from Crey stuff, or steam-punk from Nemesis stuff, or more spy-like from Malta stuff.)

Of course, if you want corresponding sets, you could always make a Gadgets/Traps Controller . . .


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I... er... um... /looks at signature...

/cries

Ahem: Kidding aside, thanks for the direct response, Castle. I hope to see Electrical Control in the future (with some electrical mastery powers for controllers) and can't wait to see what Demon Summoning looks like in action.

EDIT:
For kicks, the set I wanted -
1: Electric Fence
2: Shocking Bolt
3: Electric Fences
4: Thunderstomp (PBAoE Knockdown and stun, no damage, footstomp animation)
5: Static Disruption (Static Discharge animation Cone Sleep and -End/-Rec intensive power).
6: Lightning Field
7: Shocking Blast (Thunderous Blast's animation, Targeted AoE Hold)
8: Summon Gremlins: 2 of the rabid Death Surge guys. They'd be a little taller than the Cap versions.
9: Hand of Zeus: Essentially Shocking Grasp melee hold with a Chain Induction effect that includes a Mag 2 Stun (made for combining with Thunderstomp).


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I'm not ruling out Electrical Control as a set, but it is only one of several sets that are in the wings waiting for the thumbs up to proceed with.
When will we hear more about these other sets?


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Like Oedipus, I don't see a need for corresponding sets. The older Controller primaries and secondaries don't have any corresponding sets.
Controllers (and Masterminds) are the exception, not the rule.

And there is no logical reason why any given theme cannot exist as Melee, Ranged, Defense, Buff/Debuff and Control. Over time, with Proliferation and development of new Sets, there is no reason why all ATs should not have corresponding Sets. This is already happening, Controllers now have Thermal Radiation to match Fire Control, and Cold Domination to match Ice Control. (And you could argue that Plant Control and Storm Summoning both match a "nature" theme, although Storm also would match electricity, and probably wind as well)

In addition, the devs have taken steps to encourage corresponding sets where possible. Archery was developed alongside of Trick Arrow. Sonic Attack was developed alongside of Sonic Resonance. Would you rather the devs had not done that? Would you rather they had just developed the attack sets, and not made the buff sets, since corresponding sets are not needed? And Shield certainly shares a theme with the Weapon sets. Willpower could be said to be the Psychic Defense set. Was that a mistake? Is it wrong to make a Control set based on electrical powers?

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Of course, if you want corresponding sets, you could always make a Gadgets/Traps Controller . . .
Yes, yes, you could. A Control Set based on gadgets would be just as much a match as one based on electricity.

But... what is the Dominator Secondary based on gadgets or weapons, then, hm?