Please make a "Healer" Class.


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Originally Posted by Phantom Patriot View Post
I got this the other day on an SG TF, totally pissed me off!
And the person tried to tell me "You're a Defender, why aren't you healing?" To which I replied, you're a fighter, why aren't you surviving?"
Bahahahaha!
I need to remember that one Win

But yeah, I'm glad there are no 'Healer' ATs here...and thats coming from someone with an Empathy/Psi Fender. I heal where necessary, but most of the time I'm using the real tools of the set, and thats the buffs. I fully understand the annoyance, though. The real answer is;
It's not that your wrong for the team. The team is wrong for you (by dint of being that narrowminded :P)


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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My Most used Defender/Healer tells!

I suppose the least I could do is TP yer corpse away from the mob, rez ya and send ya back in to get killed again!

Or I could just kill them all for you?

Oh i'm sorry, I thought I was playing my toon?

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I call ******** on the OP we have all seen some of his post he's probably the one kicking people from teams for not being a h34l0r so wants the class.

People that actually know about this game and are part of the global channels I have never seen turn anyone down and know h34l0r don't exist here and never have. I see people looking for kins and rads all the time but h34l0rs no lol this is lies.


 

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Maybe all he really wants is a baby sitter?


 

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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha View Post
Bahahahaha!
I need to remember that one Win

But yeah, I'm glad there are no 'Healer' ATs here...and thats coming from someone with an Empathy/Psi Fender. I heal where necessary, but most of the time I'm using the real tools of the set, and thats the buffs. I fully understand the annoyance, though. The real answer is;
It's not that your wrong for the team. The team is wrong for you (by dint of being that narrowminded :P)
I've played a high lvl Empath. The buffs are on a pretty long timer. So unless you're spamming out Clear Mind for the buff, how exactly are you not healing when necessary, more so if you're the only buffer/debuffer on the team?

Yeah, on a good team, those auras might just be enough (or even unneeded), but unless like I said, an exceptional team, I found you're going to be busy using Healing Aura and Heal Other.

Unless it's a small team. Or Duo.


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I've played a high lvl Empath. The buffs are on a pretty long timer. So unless you're spamming out Clear Mind for the buff, how exactly are you not healing when necessary, more so if you're the only buffer/debuffer on the team?

Yeah, on a good team, those auras might just be enough (or even unneeded), but unless like I said, an exceptional team, I found you're going to be busy using Healing Aura and Heal Other.

Unless it's a small team. Or Duo.
By buffing I mean keeping at least three people under Fortitude as I can, CM on the squishies, and auras and Adrenaline boost when they tick around.

Depending on the team make up, yes I do sometimes need to 'spam' heals. But that and mind-mauling stuff (psi) is just business as usual, you could say. The real points are the buffs =]


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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If I could engrain just a small but of info into every new player of CoX.. it would be this:

Level 1-21: Heals beat debuffs/buffs (because until slotted SO/IO, most debuffs/buffs aren't as effective unless stacked).
Levels 22+: Buffs/debuffs beat heals (because of slotting and the non-linearity effect of buffs/debuffs, past this heals are a secondary, even to Emapthy.)

Yes heals have thier place, but if I'm healing with my Emp, it means im not covering enough of the team with Fort/Cm/AB/Auras.

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It sounds like either the OP is teaming with people who don't understand the game, or he's not playing his defenders to the satisfaction of his team mates. Adding a new AT will fix neither of those problems.

We already have a two or three power sets that already do what you want. You can have a "pure" healer by taking the three separate healing powers from Empathy, and get a fourth from the Medicine pool. You can crank down the recharge times on these powers so that you can have a heal up at all times. Why is a new AT needed?

If the OP is running on teams that are doing standard content at standard difficulty levels and players are dying regularly, it's clear that these players don't know how to design decent characters and don't know how to play them. If they've jacked up the difficulty and are dying, they have nothing to complain about: they should just lower the difficulty and play within their abilities.

In my experience players die frequently because they do stupid things: aggro multiple mobs, run out of the range of the empath's heals, don't know when to leave a losing battle, refuse to use inspirations when they should, etc. Every character has to assume responsibility for their own health, and inspirations are a key element to survival. How many times have you been in a PuG where someone dies, and the dead guy is lying on the floor saying, "Does anyone have a small green or purple?" If people would actually use these inspirations as needed they wouldn't die in the first place. I'm not just criticizing others here: nearly every single time my characters die, I could have easily avoided it by just using a green or a purple at the right time.

Rather than vent spleen on the forums about adding a new AT that would not fix these problems, I suggest the OP play with more mature and experienced teams. There are many forum threads on how to connect with such teams.

You just need to blow off people who blame you for their mistakes. You will be much happier not playing with them in the first place.


 

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If I could engrain just a small but of info into every new player of CoX.. it would be this:

Level 1-21: Heals beat debuffs/buffs (because until slotted SO/IO, most debuffs/buffs aren't as effective unless stacked).
Levels 22+: Buffs/debuffs beat heals (because of slotting and the non-linearity effect of buffs/debuffs, past this heals are a secondary, even to Emapthy.)

Yes heals have thier place, but if I'm healing with my Emp, it means im not covering enough of the team with Fort/Cm/AB/Auras.

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I don't see a need to truckle to the D&D imprint for "healers." Some archetypesa can provide healing, and some provide other support. Any gamer lame enough to whine "we need a healer" is not my taste for team mate.

It is very easy for players who like running a high-heal character (I have an emp defender who does rather well at that) to do so, and to advertise for teams on that basis (and they will then get backtalk from the equally inane "there r no h3l0rz in CoH" clowns).

Play your own way, heal or not, whatever suits, and ignore the jackasses who build cookie cutter teams and are snooty about it to boot.


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Asking for a new class is not redundant, nor confrontational, and it obviously started some discussion.

I have a radiation defender, he has fallout but not mutation. Ha ha. When they ask me when I am going to heal them, I tell them to hold still and I will hit fallout again.

I defy any equal levelled empath to block/mitigate as much damage as an equal level forcefielder with the two little bubbles, dispersion bubble and force bolt keeping the bad guys off the squishies. The empath will run out of endurance before the bubbles ever expire.

I do agree that fortitude and the buff auras are far more important than the healing so the fighters can keep surviving.

The constructive thing I found from this thread was that the free server transfers had been extended to the end of February


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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded View Post
Ok, iv had just about all I can stand, please make a "Healer" AT for this game!
lol. Great! You made my day! That is too funny.

I mean, I really hope that post wasn't serious!


 

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Originally Posted by milehigh77 View Post
My answer to this rant & any other similar rants in the future is this:

You should run teams yourself, at all times.

Problem solved.

It's not the community.

It's you.

You do not have anything to complain about when all you do is sit around waiting to be invited into a team.
+1. You can't blame the ignorant when you are so willing to team with them. I play on the "worst" server for idiots and yet I just shake my head when people rant and rave about how bad it is there.


 

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Wow, ok, theres alot of hate being thrown my way for posting this.

First off, to Tonality, have you ever been told you rub someone the wrong way?

I have no idea this has been posted over and over, not to mention the fact that I dont go back 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, or however far back the posts where.I dont care to read that far back, mainly because the game changes alot, and if it isnt current, im not interested.

So to whine about me whining is even more unproductive, and to point you out Tonality, this wasnt a "petition" of any kind, it was a request/rant that doesnt have to be answered, or even replied to.It was a short exsplination of the angst I feel when being singled out playing Defenders.

Just the "Fact" that you kept commng back to continually attack this post, and my self, points out that you have nothing better to do then try and pick a fight with someone.Get a new hobbie.

Now, for others that wanna know if this was a serious post.The answer would have to be, not really.Im just getting tired of bad players making my gamming experiance lean more towards soloing most the time, due to my favorite AT in the game being the Defender Class.So I ranted, many people do that, and to say you, or others dont, is rather foolish.

To some that accuse me of being the team Leader and doing the booting, just to request that I get a Healer Class?That couldnt be any further from the truth.The thought of healing alot of the players I have ran into in this game, would be a dangerous tool in my hands.

From other posts, I am known for letting people know that I let another player die, or wiped a entire team that told me my build sucks, when it was keeping them alive the entire time.(I get even when I can, and admit it.)

Simply Put, if there was a Healer Class, and I was on it, id kill alot of people who dont deserve the Heals.

To answer another question, that may or may not have been asked.Yes, I have alot of pent up aggression when someone tries to tell me I should play something else, when they have no idea what im playing does.I dont like sitting down a player, that may or may not listen, about what I do, and what my roll is.Too many people dont care, so, I educate the best way I know how, by letting them face plant.If one death doesnt get the point acrossed, I let it happen again, by not participating in the defense of that player.

So, if you wanna attack this post, go for it, I wont be back to check on it.Later.


 

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Now I feel stupid. Everywhere I turn I see 'free server transfer' this and 'free server transfer' that...No clue why I only notice it once someone *tells* me about it >_>


 

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I have a radiation defender, he has fallout but not mutation. Ha ha. When they ask me when I am going to heal them, I tell them to hold still and I will hit fallout again.
My Radiation Defender is a member of Faithful Fans of Fallout. I don't have Radiant Aura; Vengeance is my heal


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In my experience players die frequently because they do stupid things: aggro multiple mobs, run out of the range of the empath's heals, don't know when to leave a losing battle, refuse to use inspirations when they should, etc. Every character has to assume responsibility for their own health, and inspirations are a key element to survival. How many times have you been in a PuG where someone dies, and the dead guy is lying on the floor saying, "Does anyone have a small green or purple?" If people would actually use these inspirations as needed they wouldn't die in the first place. I'm not just criticizing others here: nearly every single time my characters die, I could have easily avoided it by just using a green or a purple at the right time.
I hate to tell u this but some times if you use the inspiration at the right time you still might be face planted. There has been times I have a full tray of them and use them all up in a fight just to be face planted right after wards. So saying that you should know when to use inspirations wont work all the time. Nore is running away, some of them have ranged damage as well. So your logic is illogical. Some times team will die, even if you have a healer or not, It is part of the game and no matter how well your toon is, sooner or later you will be face planted in the ground.


 

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I hate to tell u this but some times if you use the inspiration at the right time you still might be face planted. There has been times I have a full tray of them and use them all up in a fight just to be face planted right after wards. So saying that you should know when to use inspirations wont work all the time. Nore is running away, some of them have ranged damage as well. So your logic is illogical. Some times team will die, even if you have a healer or not, It is part of the game and no matter how well your toon is, sooner or later you will be face planted in the ground.
Rodion did say frequently, which is not always. But it does bring up an interesting point. Why is their a stigma associated with using inspirations? Many times I'll attempt to hand a wakie to a fallen ally to find that they are full of inspirations.

Why aren't people using inspirations to heal and prevent incoming damage? Sometimes you do get a full tray of something that won't help much, but I've seen the previously described scenario far too often for that to be the case.


 

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Is the healer-boot really all that common? I'll grant I've only been playing a year or so now, but I've been through some pretty fantastically abysmal PUGs and only twice have I been asked whether I can heal. Neither time was I kicked for my answer.

(Once was on a Mind/Storm troller, and I told him "I have a weak heal, but my other powers are a lot better for keeping us alive." The other time, bizarrely, I was on a SS/WP brute. I have no idea what he was expecting.)


 

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Originally Posted by Fire_Minded View Post
Ok, iv had just about all I can stand, please make a "Healer" AT for this game!

Im getting rather tired of jumping on one of my Defenders, or one of my Controllers, looking for a team, and having a few things happen to me when I do.

1) "Can you heal?", or "Sorry, but we need a healer.", is common place when sending in a /tell to someone asking you to send one in the first place to join the team.

2) "Sorry, but we need a healer, happy hunting.", when you get grabbed up for a team on your Traps/Rad Defender, and get immediatly booted off because your not a Empathy.

3) You get the blame when the team faceplants, regaurdless of reason, and usually get a comment from someone about you not being a healer, or needing one.Sometimes a boot willl happen after a single face plant, and get a /tell like the following."Make a real Defender noob!", and we all know what kind of Defender that player exspects at that point, a Empathy!
Transfer to a server with an adult community that actually has some sense! This kind of childish reactions and associal behaviour is part of the server community. I am on UNION and never have this.


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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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Originally Posted by milehigh77 View Post
My answer to this rant & any other similar rants in the future is this:

You should run teams yourself, at all times.

Problem solved.

It's not the community.

It's you.

You do not have anything to complain about when all you do is sit around waiting to be invited into a team.

^This... specifically the "It's you." portion. I've been playing for about 7 months and for the brief time I've been active on the forums every post I see where someone is complaining about getting berated for playing certain powerset combinations it's from Fire_Minded. I have yet to see ANY other post that resembles this one from any person other than you.

Get over yourself.

First it was "everyone says I shouldn't play a fire tank WAHHHHH!" then it was "everyone says I shouldn't play an elec tank WAHHHHH!" and who knows if I missed any.

Now it's "I'm being told I should be a healer WAHHHHH!"

I've actually seen you post things to the effect of you purposefully picking powerset combos that most consider weak for the sake of going against the grain. Seriously to each their own and I don't care what powerset combo someone is, I usually form my own teams and NEVER ask. But if you're going out of your way to do that don't come here and whine when people point out that it's considered weak compared to others.

I've never had this happen to me regardless of what AT/combo I'm playing and I've yet to see someone else complain so much about such incidents. My guess... it's you.

If you REALLY think it's your server, take advantage of free server transfers, just stay away from Virtue please thanks!


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Originally Posted by Liz Bathory View Post
Transfer to a server with an adult community that actually has some sense! This kind of childish reactions and associal behaviour is part of the server community. I am on UNION and never have this.
way to make your community look real adult by calling other servers childish yep real mature right there, espicially using second hand info so all your really going on is hearsay.
Calling other servers names is what a way to make your server feel superior? GG