Harrassment during RP
Well there goes half of MY vocabulary.
That's what the Devs and GMs have power over, not the players that post on these forums. There really is no point to the OP at all, as none of us have any power to change the situation. The OP should have just petitioned, perhaps told her friends to petition, and then moved on.
Anything else is really just drama-based attention seeking. And I should know, we can smell our own. |
By the same logic there is no point to any forum discussion. Most forum posts are just as you describe them, attempts to draw attention to the OP.
If you take that away what am I going to do at work?!?!
@craggy see me on Union for TFs, SFs (please!) or just some good ol fashioned teaming.
It seems you were generally taking the right tact.
I would have ::
1) secured the characters name and player's global handle
2) put them on /gignore
3) /petitioned them - making note of the server, side, character name, global name, time, and activities etc - note :: you may have to wait for the reply e-mail before you can post more information to the GMs/customer service.
4) /petitioned them again when they brought in the new character and started up again.
5) asked the others that were being harassed to petition the player with server, side, character name, time, etc.
Customer service will take action against someone that is harassing other players.
More likely that not, if this is their modus operandi, they will have their accounts banned before too long.
[... and Latin use is not necessarily trolling ...]
But it probably is -Mod08
As far as the person that said that "I'm always RPing when I'm playing CoX". Nope. At least not in the way you implied...
...unless you count me as RPing God himself who is controlling little tiny people from the sky. Because that's exactly how I play my characters. I am not THEM, I am controlling them, like God. The same way that I play the Sims... right before I lock them in a room with a refrigerator and no toilet and watch them **** all over the place. ![]() So yeah, in THAT sense, I AM roleplaying..... God. |
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having the love of money isn't going to pay my way though evil doctor school now though is it?
@craggy see me on Union for TFs, SFs (please!) or just some good ol fashioned teaming.
Anything else is really just drama-based attention seeking. And I should know, we can smell our own.
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OP, I think there have been some fine suggestions in this thread as to how to handle the situation and I don't think there is much more you could have done. As such, unless you get a redname post to clarify what kind of griefing gets the GM's attention (not likely) the thread has served its purpose. I think I'll step away now before it degenerates into random babble.
*sigh* Too late.
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I can certainly smell something.
OP, I think there have been some fine suggestions in this thread as to how to handle the situation and I don't think there is much more you could have done. As such, unless you get a redname post to clarify what kind of griefing gets the GM's attention (not likely) the thread has served its purpose. I think I'll step away now before it degenerates into random babble. *sigh* Too late. |
Ok I have read this and I have to reply.
To be honest, I do get tired of the groups standing around in Pocket D spamming local chat with all this nonsense cybering, it gets filthy sometimes and my kids are in there playing even making comments like "wow, you can tell school is out". Why don't the RPers use private chat or some channel.. why MUST they use local in those areas? I'm sorry but its so freaking annoying.. and its like 15 conversations melted into one nonsense stream. |
If someone is talking in a public channel in a sexually inappropriate manner, petition them, plain and simple. RP or not, it's highly against the rules of the game. Don't argue against ERP and extend it to all RP. I'm primarily a RPer, but I've never ERPed. Frankly, I find it creepy and inappropriate for this game. If people want to do it in private consensually, then more power to them. But as soon as it hits a public channel or is sent in an unsolicited manner, /petition, period.
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
I doubt your doubting:
"It is not very inspiring to fight for the freedom of the purveyors of pornography or their customers. But in the transition to statism, every infringement of human rights has begun with the suppression of a given right’s least attractive practitioners. In this case, the disgusting nature of the offenders makes it a good test of one’s loyalty to a principle.” If she supports the rights of "hard core pornographers", then I'm sure she supports the rights of "lolRP". |
This is frequently misunderstood, however. It does not say that you are allowed to run roughshod over others freely; it simply says that you can if the benefit outweighs the costs. A suitably powerful, rich and connected person can do things that an average person cannot, because they have the wherewithal to ignore the outcry of those below them -- the cost is not high enough to consider. In other words, the subjective repercussions of ones actions determine their legitimacy.
As a philosophy, that's pretty dark, though it goes a long way toward describing the corporate mindset.
In real terms, this is semi-sociopathic behavior on the part of the person being discussed in the OP (and, to some degree, PK's behavior.) Being a bully and seeking to ruin other peoples entertainment for your own pleasure is not excusable behavior to most people. It shows a significant lack of empathy, at the very least. The argument that "it's just a game, don't take it so seriously" is used frequently by those who engage in this behavior and they are correct, it is just a game and it is one that has rules, both written and unwritten. As a game, certain behavior is expected -- players must play according to the written rules, and, in the cases where a rule does not cover a given aspect, the players should play according to mutually agreed upon rules. In a face to face game, a player who chooses to break those unwritten rules is likely to find himself not to be invited to return to the game. In an MMO, such isn't really possible. In such cases, reporting the player for harassment should be used if asking them to stop does not.
The GMs may or may not respond in a timely manner, and may or may not do anything about it. This is what allows people who behave like this feel they can get away with it -- the odds of there being any repercussions to their actions are slim.
To give some examples, and this is in no way, shape or form saying the degree of this form of behavior is equivalent, the same thought process that leads to people harassing others in game is the same as that which leads to gay bashing or race attacks. The target of the harassment is weak, cannot do anything about it and deserves to be mocked, made fun of, attacked or whatever because *they* are not *us.* I'm not sure if it was this thread or another one where someone posted the Mel Brooks quote "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die." This idea is what he was talking about -- it's ok to laugh at something that isn't directed at "us" with "us" being whatever group you associate with yourself, be it your family, your friends, your race or just, "everyone but those damned RPers!"
Anyway, this post is far too long already, and I'm sure I'm going to get grief for it. I'm ok with that; I'm pretty sure the benefit outweighs the cost.
EDIT: BTW, if people are cybering in local chat, report them. This is a family game and that is inappropriate, too.
In real terms, this is semi-sociopathic behavior on the part of the person being discussed in the OP (and, to some degree, PK's behavior.) |
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Rand, to my understanding, essentially stated that "Selfishness is a virtue." In her view, a person always acts out of self-interest; there is no such thing as altruism. The enlightened person is aware of this, acknowledges it, and proceeds to act in such a way to maximize their own benefit, which includes minimizing 'costs.' Acting outside of normal socially accepted bounds is permissible under such a thought system, if the subjective benefit outweighs the subjective costs.
This is frequently misunderstood, however. It does not say that you are allowed to run roughshod over others freely; it simply says that you can if the benefit outweighs the costs. A suitably powerful, rich and connected person can do things that an average person cannot, because they have the wherewithal to ignore the outcry of those below them -- the cost is not high enough to consider. In other words, the subjective repercussions of ones actions determine their legitimacy. As a philosophy, that's pretty dark, though it goes a long way toward describing the corporate mindset. In real terms, this is semi-sociopathic behavior on the part of the person being discussed in the OP (and, to some degree, PK's behavior.) Being a bully and seeking to ruin other peoples entertainment for your own pleasure is not excusable behavior to most people. It shows a significant lack of empathy, at the very least. The argument that "it's just a game, don't take it so seriously" is used frequently by those who engage in this behavior and they are correct, it is just a game and it is one that has rules, both written and unwritten. As a game, certain behavior is expected -- players must play according to the written rules, and, in the cases where a rule does not cover a given aspect, the players should play according to mutually agreed upon rules. In a face to face game, a player who chooses to break those unwritten rules is likely to find himself not to be invited to return to the game. In an MMO, such isn't really possible. In such cases, reporting the player for harassment should be used if asking them to stop does not. |
EDIT: BTW, if people are cybering in local chat, report them. This is a family game and that is inappropriate, too. |
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i make stuff...
i was reading the thread earlier and it's rather surprising how much this mirrors my own thoughts. The comparison that actually came immediately to mind for me was how similar Objectivism and LeVay's Satanism are in their core beliefs. Both basically elevate selfishness and self-interest as being the primary guide to behavior. (Old Anton called it Satanism mostly to piss off the Christians all around him due to what he perceived as their hypocrisy. It's a big middle finger to conventional values and actually involves no actual Satan or demon worshiping, just worship of the self and ego.)
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She also believed that society was essentially driven by the selfishness of individual actors and that without those actors, there would be no societal progress. Hence, for example, the advance of technology during the 1990's could be viewed as the accomplishment of thousands of individual actors that only appeared to be a cohesive whole if viewed from the outside.
On that level, because individual achievement was necessary for societal achievement, on an economic and political level, any action, whether it impinged upon the well-being of another actor, was justified and proper.
Note that this does not imply that Ayn Rand would support the notion that actions are justifiable if they do not result in a net gain for the individual actor.
La Vey's satanism, on the other hand, viewed any action that advanced one's personal pleasure as justifiable in and of itself. La Vey's phiolosophy certainly mirrored certain 19th century thinkers as Aleister Crowley, who probably codified this belief system more than La Vey did. But what it boils down to is that unlike objectivism, which is intended to be applied to a relatively narrow spectrum of facets of life, the humanistic/satanistic philosophy is intended to be applied to all facets of personal life.
Most modern proponents of the ideology that behaviors are justified at the expense of other people routinely mis-apply Ayn Rand's objectivism, when the personal philosophy more or less resembles Crowley's humanism, (or La Vey's satanism), though whichever it is labeled has far more negative connotations than most are comfortable with.
A difference of opinion. Obviously I am wrong in the face of your logic and must be ashamed. In fact, I'm going to write a piece to the Devs asking them to ban RP from every part of the game, tear down the RP section of the forums and ban accounts of people who put more than just 'My level 50s....' in their character description.
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Ah so you were there, listening to me chat about stuff? Ah, right. Yes, my ego needs stroking, hence why I posted on here. Silly me, I thought I'd had a grievance before starting this discussion. But it turns out I was totally wrong and being silly.
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In that case, would you care to list any of the posts on the whole forum that need immediate deletion? I'm sure I'm not the only person who's ever had a bad experience of something and has felt the need to post about it here.
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Broadcast. Not local. And I doubt, under the circumstances, that they were RPing because their two characters were in a relationship. Or had even read the EULA. Of course I wasn't there, so I don't know. I'd hope, under the circumstances, that you reported them.
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You mention the EULA, so that's a nice segue into responding to your initial post, which I will do below.
I'd like to know if there's any stance held by the game GMs on harrassment during RP in game.
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In response to your inquiry regarding the stance held by NC Soft on harassment during RP in game, I'd say that there isn't an official or unofficial stance considering Roleplaying is an uncovered byproduct of the service NC Soft provides and as such, NC Soft is not liable. There are, however, rules in the EULA and the Rules of Conduct regarding harassment.
From the EULA:
Member Conduct. You agree not to use the Service to: ix. stalk" or otherwise harass another member; or |
1. While playing City of Heroes, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. |
EDIT: Oh and for those that were there, please remember there is no naming and shaming, however tempting. Nor implications of name and such. I'm not intending to persecute the person who I felt disrupted my enjoyment of the game. |
Tsk. That's what I get for taking the time to make a serious if long post. I lose out on the chance to get First After A Red Name.
when the personal philosophy more or less resembles Crowley's humanism,
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I'm not sure if it was this thread or another one where someone posted the Mel Brooks quote "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die."
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I always found Thelema to be a fascinating, if obscure and disjointed, belief system.
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I'd just like to let it be known that it would be very easy to construe any post that is a reply with just lolrp as trolling similarly to replying to a post with just the phrase /jranger.
Lets cut this behavior out, if that is the summary of your feelings about role play you don't have anything constructive to offer the thread (see Rule #5)
-Mod8-
If you are using Latin in your post you are probably trolling
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