Are people just rude?

You don't get it often.
But it tends to happen every time the Rikti or the Zombies have got enough of their endless army/decomposing kindred together again to attempt to wail on a zone.

Now, this isn't their fault. They are, after all, bits of programing, all motives of battle and honour/brains aside.

Why, why oh why, do people always camp out for Invasions by the trainers?
Atlas Park is the worst offender. People group around Ms Liberty like she's promising free nights out and candle lit dinner to everyone within 9 metres.

Now, that's all fine and dandy for the high levelers. 25s, 50s, 42s, 19s...but what about the players who are, y'know, level 6? People who aren't too fussed about the invasions, due to the scaling code meaning they cant really contribute much, and who just want to level and get on with things?

Trying to level during an invasion can be a freaking nightmare. I asked in broadcast, a little exhasperated.
"You could go to Galaxy."

So, people are supposed to be put to inconvenience because people couldn't move a grand total of about 100 metres to the park that is within spitting distance of Atlas Plaza?
"Why inconvenience the majority for the minority?"

It seems mass convenience, however non-sensical, comes at the cost of others. No, it's not a game breaking issue. Its not a bug or anything.
But its rude and inconveniant.

What surprises me more is that the area around trainers is coded to accept Rikti and Zombies spawning in the first place.
Why not make the area around them off-limits? Maybe even spawn some high level Longbow/Arachnos troops during raids, for the looks of it, and for one shotting any rogue invaders.

Because, correct me if I'm wrong, but the trainers are there to be used by the players for leveling.
/opinion

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Now I'm not saying I agree or disagree. I'm just making a statement based on my observations.

1. Trainers are locations that everyone knows about.

2. The people trying to use the trainers are going to get jumped by the event NPC's anyway with a good chance of getting killed because they are on a different screen and they aren't fighting back.

3. And just because I know someone else will say it, I'm going to say it first. They can easily go to another zone to level up where it's safe.

people look to gather in spots tht r easy for everyone uring events. as most people do nothing and hang out under the globe thats naturaly the best place to be.
we get it over in vills as well. for us in cap its near the BM. as thts a hub for vills in cap

You're probably safer a trainer crowded with other players, and their heals, taunt auras, and buffs, then you would be at a deserted trainer. There's a good reason one of the badges is called Safety in Numbers.

And if you're AFK for that long, it's your own fault. Get over it, port to the hospital, and get going. The broadcast CLEARLY states that all "non-combatants" should seek shelter. Go inside.

On a less preachy note, it's actually pretty fun to hover at a safe height during invasions. Zombies still spawn near you, right out of the ether, and then plummet to the ground.

Atlas giving you trouble? Walk a couple hundred yards to the RWZ and train in the safe, covered Vanguard base.

The quartermaster is also an excellent place to sell.

Don't forget the zone debt protection during an invasion. No reason to care that you're defeated.

Why there? Because that is where people met since I joined, that's why.
Not a great answer but a simple and true one.

I haven't been here all that long yet and still remember there being a ritki invasion before my fist toon hit level three... In my brilliance I tried chasing down/following one of their ships with typical results... I was actually quite annoyed newbieland wasn't off limits to such nonsense.

But I got over it.

Should trainers be protected areas? Ya, probably. Then again, newbie death with no debt is a good teacher.

Oh, and the reason "the park" isn't as good is the park is a big area. People like a definitive spot to head to. Do zombies spawn atop city hall? Or maybe atlas' globe??? Both would be k-cool places to gather I'll have to check next time.....

I don't think people are being rude, just traditional. We've always gathered there, so we always will.

Thematically why should it be safe from spawning? The Zombies and Rikti DONT CARE!

In game play terms should they be safe, yes course they should and when they are people will move, until then tradition will carry on. You can moan about it, but it isn't going to change unless the devs make a change.

Like in Talos, where most invasion type events are moved to the hill outside the tram. Out of the way from the trainer, tram and Wentworths.

I don't see how this is an unreasonable suggestion. It only takes a few people at first to start the change. Start gathering groups in different locations away from the high traffic areas and trainers, see if the change sticks.

Because :

1. The trainers of each zone are THE centralized location for the zone.
2. More importantly, there are Police Drones NEAR the trainers for safety, but not so close that they zap all the enemies without giving you a chance to get them first. It just helps keep the amount of enemies to a "safe" level with the drones nearby.
3. As a result of 1 and 2 above, people feel "safer" near the trainers.

I'm always hoping Ms.Liberty helps and joins in on the battle but no she just stands there like a cement block, so even though she has never helped I have faith and wish to see it the one time it does happen.

they always disappear around the black market, it should have the same mechanic.

I sympathize, and you have a point. But I'm not sure the issue is worth recoding for. These events are both temporary and seasonal. Go to Wentworth's or make a sandwich instead. It'll be over soon.

Heck, if it's a slotting level and you are that much of a lowbie, simply wait until you reach the next level and train up twice.

I agree people should move off a bit, but getting them to do so....well, you might try herding cats instead.

It's worth pointing out that, with a few exceptions, almost all naval battles were fought close to land, often in narrow passages, choke points, and outside major ports. That's despite the vastness of the sea.

The reason is because the vast empty ocean looks the same everywhere, and there's no real reason to BE in one spot or another during long passages. The only places enemies were likely to meet were places where access was controlled or shore assets attracted attention.

That's the case here, I would hazard. People will gather in places they're familiar with and can easily describe even though there's a vast area they could choose.

"In front of Atlas" isn't the hardest thing to type, even for the most cack-handed person.

As I've said, and people keep ignoring, it's nigh impossible to miss a group of players, especially with AoE shields and stuff up. If they moved to the park at the bottom of the steps, people would simply migrate there.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Two points:

• You can train anywhere. Go to Galaxy, go to the Rikti War Zone. They are not difficult to access.
• If you cannot survive the invasion, you should either log off that character or leave the zone. Even if the trainer's area was clear of all other players, you'd be attacked and defeated by invading forces.

Am I a bad person for getting a laugh out of how many times people have said some variation of "go to another zone" as I predicted?