Team Etiquette: My Misconception?


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Originally Posted by Lucretia_MacEvil View Post
I'm around my dad and my brother more than my mom (even though we all live in the same house), so sometimes I "sound" like a guy.
I have 6 brothers, so I think maybe some of their guy-ness rubbed off on me - like I can quote Star Wars, and enjoy comic books


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Originally Posted by hedgehog_NA View Post
Doesnt matter to me if you are man, woman or ardvark. I want to defeat npcs with you, not mate with you.
What does mating have to do with what she said?


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Originally Posted by KaliMagdalene View Post
What does mating have to do with what she said?
That one confused me a little as well..

Oh and GG.. 6 brothers?
You are either VERY well protected or you are one tough cookie

I have one brother. That is also more than enough..


 

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That one confused me a little as well..

Oh and GG.. 6 brothers?
You are either VERY well protected or you are one tough cookie

I have one brother. That is also more than enough..
They're not too mean to me - they know I can fight back

Although, 3 of them did throw me in the pool to celebrate July 4th - but they know I will have revenge


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It doesn't completely confuse me - I had a guy on the Galactic Civilizations 2 forum tell me that he didn't need to know if any posters were women because he wasn't there to date.


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Originally Posted by KaliMagdalene View Post
What does mating have to do with what she said?

people ask "are you a real girl/boy?"

what does it matter. I'm a real player in a game. we arent here for hanky panky, or propagating the species. Why do they need to decide if she is a real girl, a gay man, a lesbian woman or a bisexual biker? Those question have no place in the game. My wife plays, I have had to tell people that yes, she is a real girl. I think I would know.

PS.. anyone that wouldnt play with someone because of their sex or orientation has bigger problems than can be solved in a game.


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Originally Posted by hedgehog_NA View Post
people ask "are you a real girl/boy?"

what does it matter. I'm a real player in a game. we arent here for hanky panky, or propagating the species. Why do they need to decide if she is a real girl, a gay man, a lesbian woman or a bisexual biker? Those question have no place in the game. My wife plays, I have had to tell people that yes, she is a real girl. I think I would know.
Yeah, it is ridiculous that people demand this information as if they're entitled to it, or think they're entitled to decide who people really are (as opposed to who they say they are).


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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
There is this misconception that women don't play female characters, so meeting one who does can cause some men's brains to crash and reboot.
I have met people ingame though who indeed female playing male characters just to AVOID getting whacky questions.
My simple reaction to that has always been and will always be that it's a shame that you'd have to go so far. I don't mind either way. There is this one thing I always try and remember and that is to be correct. Correct in the sense that you don't offend people (seriously, what's to gain from verbal abuse in a game?) and that you address them the way they want you to. If I am teamed with female characters, I'll address those players accordingly. Unless they ask me not to. Oh and that has happened once. Can't remember who though, he's in my ignore list now with all the inf-advertisers from way back. He got seriously offensive about it. To me that was a case of 'riiiiight.. /ignore <insertname>... thanks for team guys, I'm not about to get yelled at when I'm trying to have fun, enjoy! <quit team>'
That's the basics of teaming as well to me, it needs to be fun, not work. Work is something I do during the day and where enough grief comes my way, the game is relaxation time for me.


 

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Originally Posted by Moderator 08 View Post
Now if we want to start in on real deficiencies in the English Language, lets start talking about our numerical vocabulary and how it impedes the learning of math in young children. That drives me nuts (I'm trying to teach a 1st grader the concept of a 1's value and a 10's value at the present).
Actually that part (for me anyway) wasn't too hard to explain. It became hell when after that I had to teach him how to tell time the old way. Analog. Then suddenly he realised that there were 12 notches on the clock. And counting along with the seconds he soon learned there were 60 seconds in a minute... That was confusing!

But there is more strangeness, such as trying to teach a child that knows the metric system about feet, inches, stone, yards, miles and so on. *I* at times have trouble figuring it all out..


 

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Originally Posted by KaliMagdalene View Post
What does mating have to do with what she said?
That's what she said.

Sorry, I had to.


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Originally Posted by hedgehog_NA View Post
There are missions that award the clicker temp powers and inf. only the clicker. Dont click the glowies without at least some permission. Wait to click till all are in the mission. I have kicked people from teams because of this. One guy runs across 2 zones to go to the contact and some jerk doesnt even let him get in the mission before clicking.
That is beyond unspoken. As I said, if you want that behavior, then you need to state it in that particular mission. That is the exception, not the rule.


 

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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake View Post
I usually ask about glowies if its not my mish because there is a very small extra reward for clicking some of them. but really its not a big deal.

There are also several missions hero side where the glowies give temp powers when clicked.

Edit: Curse this stupid internet connection I have at the moment. I didn't see somebody else had already pointed this out. However that being said it's still rude to click the glowies unless the mission owner specifically says that it's ok.


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Inform others of expectations. Keep the game moving. Tell others when their actions are to the detriment of the team as a whole. Do something about players who are a disruption to the well-being/fun of the team or who deliberately go against against the stated expectations.

Now me, I'm the non-confrontational type. I'd make a bad team leader, as I'd hesitate to speak up. I supposed that's why I solo (or duo) almost all of the time. When I do team, I shut up, do my best, and keep the fun of the other players in mind.
First off I'd like to suggest weeding this out into two separate threads, one addressing the OP and another addressing gender issues.

But on the OP, and the bolded section above - it's a fine line between not saying enough, and saying too much. I like to lead teams, rather than join them, and personally, unless someone's doing something that causing faceplants (other than their own), let 'em play the way they want to play!

As long as the Scrapper isn't dragging mobs back with him after going off on his own, let him!

If the Troller's locking them down before the Tank has full aggro and groupage, he'll learn!

If the Blaster's opening with Rain of Fire and faceplanting repeatedly, he'll learn too!

A mute leader is no fun, but a bossy one can be even LESS fun.

You seem to think it's a detriment, but as long as you really do "keep the fun of the other players in mind", I'd say you'd most likely make a great team leader.


 

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Originally Posted by __Eh__ View Post
I have met people ingame though who indeed female playing male characters just to AVOID getting whacky questions.
My simple reaction to that has always been and will always be that it's a shame that you'd have to go so far.
It is a pity some female players feel they have to do that - it's like letting the knuckle-draggers win.


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Originally Posted by hedgehog_NA View Post
people ask "are you a real girl/boy?"
This gives me a strong urge to create a female puppet character in the theme of Pinnocchio. That way, when anyone asks if I'm a "real girl", I can say, "No, but someday, I WILL be a REAL GIRL! IIIIIIIII'VE GOT NO STRINGS, TO HOLD ME DOWN, TO......."


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Originally Posted by Steele_Magnolia View Post
The Wheel of Destruction arc comes to mind. Four glowies with temp powers. I *never* take a PUG along for this one.

Bank missions - Yes, some players do care about those Weapons Deal temp powers.

There are others. If someone insists on clicking glowies that aren't theirs after being warned I will kick them from the team.
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This gives me a strong urge to create a female puppet character in the theme of Pinnocchio. That way, when anyone asks if I'm a "real girl", I can say, "No, but someday, I WILL be a REAL GIRL! IIIIIIIII'VE GOT NO STRINGS, TO HOLD ME DOWN, TO......."
I've got some female characters, and I've had people ask before if I was really a girl. My standard reply is something along the lines of, "No, but I really can fly and shoot fire from my hands!"


 

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Letting the tank do his job. Don't throw immobs until he grabs aggro. Don't throw AOEs til he has aggro. It takes him 2 seconds to grab all of the aggro in a nice neat pile, so give him that courtesy.

Tanks letting their teammates do their jobs. Don't take a nicely placed mob and string them out 50 feet just because you feel like taunting. It is OK to jump in that pack. You have an entire team supporting you. Get in there and grab aggro and it will all be over soon.
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It is a pity some female players feel they have to do that - it's like letting the knuckle-draggers win.
And what about female players that play characters with ramped up chest sliders, pencil thin waists and massive hips that are 7'+ tall?

There's being forced into something, and then theres actively embracing it.
So you get the knuckle-dragger types (metaphorically) on both sides.


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Yep usually if I find one I call it and wait to see what the mish owner wants to do. Most of the time I just get "Click it" back but it's always good to ask.
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Once upon a time, 'negro' was deemed an acceptable term of reference for a certain type of human by 'society at large'.
I find it hilarious that the term is considered insulting now. If you refer to someone as a negro you are being degrading, but refering to them as being black is acceptable.

It's hilarious because the two words mean the exact same thing. "Negro" is the Spanish word for the color black, which is where the term originated from in the first place. So if you call someone a negro, you are calling them black. Which, generally speaking, they are. The other N word is offensive, largely because it is a perversion of an actual word, specifically intended to be degrading. It has no place in the language because it was never a real word.

For the record, I am not racist or prejudiced in any way shape or form. I just think it's funny that a word that is synonymous with an accepted term in a different language is considered offensive. I don't use it myself, but there is nothing wrong with the word, in and of itself, just with the stigma attached to it. I also don't use African-American largely because not all dark skinned people of African descent live in America, so they are by definition NOT African American. The only people who are truly African-American are African immigrants who are now American citizens. If they were born and raised in America, they are Americans, simple as that, skin color is irrelevant and not an indication of nationality.

Also,if you see a swastika nowadays you immediately think of persecution and intolerance. Very few people realize that it was originally a symbol of peace and harmony that was perverted by the Nazis for their own ends. They apparently figured that using a symbol associated with good things would blind people to their true intentions, and it didn't work. So, now a symbol that was originaly a good thing is irrevocably tied to one of the most evil and distasteful things to ever occur in our history. The Maltese cross is another thing they took, which most people know as an Iron cross. It doesn't really mean what people usually think it does.

(the original swastika was the other way around, when the Nazis adopted it they reversed it. I'm not even entirely sure if "swastika" is the corerect name for it, or just what the Nazis called it, someone better versed in history than I will have to answer that)

Just a couple prime examples of perception being more powerful than truth.


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I find it hilarious that the term is considered insulting now. If you refer to someone as a negro you are being degrading, but refering to them as being black is acceptable.

It's hilarious because the two words mean the exact same thing. "Negro" is the Spanish word for the color black, which is where the term originated from in the first place. So if you call someone a negro, you are calling them black. Which, generally speaking, they are. The other N word is offensive, largely because it is a perversion of an actual word, specifically intended to be degrading. It has no place in the language because it was never a real word.
The words are not identical when referring to people - not because of their strict meanings, but because of historical context.

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For the record, I am not racist or prejudiced in any way shape or form. I just think it's funny that a word that is synonymous with an accepted term in a different language is considered offensive. I don't use it myself, but there is nothing wrong with the word, in and of itself, just with the stigma attached to it. I also don't use African-American largely because not all dark skinned people of African descent live in America, so they are by definition NOT African American. The only people who are truly African-American are African immigrants who are now American citizens. If they were born and raised in America, they are Americans, simple as that, skin color is irrelevant and not an indication of nationality.
I generally let people tell me who they are, and if someone says she's an African-American, I take her word for it. Why try to enforce a definition on her? Same as if she says she's not African-American.

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Also,if you see a swastika nowadays you immediately think of persecution and intolerance. Very few people realize that it was originally a symbol of peace and harmony that was perverted by the Nazis for their own ends. They apparently figured that using a symbol associated with good things would blind people to their true intentions, and it didn't work. So, now a symbol that was originaly a good thing is irrevocably tied to one of the most evil and distasteful things to ever occur in our history. The Maltese cross is another thing they took, which most people know as an Iron cross. It doesn't really mean what people usually think it does.

(the original swastika was the other way around, when the Nazis adopted it they reversed it. I'm not even entirely sure if "swastika" is the corerect name for it, or just what the Nazis called it, someone better versed in history than I will have to answer that)

Just a couple prime examples of perception being more powerful than truth.
Unfortunately, meaning does not exist in an objective state outside human consciousness and perception. Humans create symbols and inscribe meanings on them. The iron cross and the swastika as used by the Nazis mean exactly what the Nazis used them for. It's not a matter of perception being more powerful than truth, it's that symbols have no meaning beyond perception.

That doesn't mean it's impossible to lie about a symbol, but you know what the Discordians say: The opposite of a truth is a lie, but the opposite of a great truth is also true.


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I don't join or form PUG's often. In fact, I've only ever formed 2 PUG's during my entire time here unless you count inviting in people that send tells asking if we have room.

When I join a PUG I find out who I'm supposed to follow by asking the star in advance. Then I follow that person, doing all I can to contribute to the team in regards to defeating enemies. I otherwise keep my hands off the glowies, I don't pull unless asked and I try not to get left behind and certainly never get ahead. The star or his appointed leader is the boss and I try to follow orders to the best of my ability. I always try to confrom to the style of the leader - rushing vs herding vs slow, roleplay vs ooc vs quiet... whatever makes me fit in best to the rest of the team even if it means the occassional dirt nap.

The couple of times I formed a PUG I was on my controller and both times I found at least one tank to join my team so I appointed that person as the lead in the mission (I didn't look specifically for tanks, they just happened to be available and I was happy to have them). The only thing I asked of my team was to stay together and I made sure no one got left behind because they needed a rest or whatever. Luckily my teams did exactly as I asked and I had fun and hope they did too. None of those missions had glowies but if they had it wouldn't have bothered me if someone else had clicked them.

If PUG's include random add-ins to my normal SG teams, then I've had quite a few bad experiences with those people trying to lead or jumping the gun or wandering off in the opposite direction or running way ahead or breaking their neck to get a glowie... I've very rarely had a good experience from those so I usually turn down such things now unless the tell is especially coherent and polite.