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Interesting point about stalkers and AoEs: While they do lose an AoE in the translation, they never lose a tier 9 AoE - out of *6* sets where that might have happened. To me, that makes it seem quite possible that Ice Melee might keep frozen aura, even as good as it is.|
Originally Posted by Dispari
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That would, of course, mean frost would go, but that does present another issue: what would you put at 4 in that case? The only powers left are ice patch, freezing touch, and greater ice sword - all of which seem a bit powerful for level 4.
As for the dom set, the problem with using a katana with a pistol is that a katana is a two handed weapon. IMO, neither of the two current sword sets would look right being dual-wielded with a pistol - and none of the existing animations would work, for sure.
I was envisioning a 'blade' set as being a mixture of single-hand attacks from a medium sized sword - give it most of the dual blades models, but none of the really big swords - and thrown blades, either knives or shuriken (in fact, that should be a customization option). You could definitely make a natural assault by replacing the throwing weapons with a pistol, but I think you would have to keep the slightly smaller sword, with mostly new animations.
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Ice armor for brutes. Plz? PLZ????
I know all the arguments against, and I really couldn't care less...I just want my favorite tank set to port over to brutes.
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Why doesn't anyone mention electricity for controllers for a primary and secondary as well as a secondary for defenders?! I'd love to have an electric controller.
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likely because that wouldnt be proliferation so much as a new powerset, but electricity control, as well as dark control, dark domination and dark assault would be fun. also maybe a few more blaster secondaries. again, the secondaries and assaults are kind of odd ducks because they arent just direct ports from other sets, they would take parts of sets but would have to work with other powers that they arent paired with on other powersets.
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Originally Posted by Santorican
Why doesn't anyone mention electricity for controllers for a primary and secondary as well as a secondary for defenders?! I'd love to have an electric controller.
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As for Elec Control, I'd say it at least 75% exists now. There are holds, immobilizes, AoE immobilizes, and some other powers already. A pet could be a gremlin. There's no doubt new powers would have to be made though, if only a couple.
As for an elec buff set, what would it do? There aren't any elec buff powers right now, so it would have to be a totally new set.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
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Illusion for doms and a modified Traps/Devices as a secondary for Stalkers.
... and here was me thinking this thread was Mr NoPants vs Poison Pain in some kind of no-holds-barred winner-take-all forum brawl.
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Masterminds and Corruptors already have Empathy in the form of Pain Domination.|
Originally Posted by Dispari
Just for reference, here's a full listing (unless I forgot something) of every powerset that can still be done, just as a straight port. Not to say they won't need balancing or consideration, just that there shouldn't be much need for new powers and animations.
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Pain Domination isn't Empathy. Pain Domination is Pain Domination.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
Masterminds and Corruptors already have Empathy in the form of Pain Domination.
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Come GR we'll have people running around redside with Empathy just because of side-switching, so I don't see any reason Corruptors and MMs can't be empathetic.
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The entire reason Pain Domination exists is because Empathy was considered to be conceptually impossible for out-of-the-box villains. The devs have said as much. Now, you have a hero who goes rogue, that's another story. (I wish I could use a comic book analogy here, but Empathy as it functions in-game is one of those powersets that is rarely seen in comic books.)|
Originally Posted by Dispari
Pain Domination isn't Empathy. Pain Domination is Pain Domination.
Come GR we'll have people running around redside with Empathy just because of side-switching, so I don't see any reason Corruptors and MMs can't be empathetic. |
A majority of Pain Domination is mirrored in Empathy. Empathy has the RAs and a very minor effect differences between the shared powers, but that's really the only difference. I seriously would not count on Empathy ever being proliferated.
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I honestly think some sets should not be ported over, for example Dark Miasma should stay with defenders but I know I'm in the minority on that. I've always wanted Super Strength and Energy Melee for Scrappers but in the interests of AT "purity" I'm rethinking my selfishness and starting to think they shouldn't be ported over. In fact I really think Power Set proliferation should stop altogether and a focus should be set on:
New Powersets
New AT's (What ever happened to Incarnate etc)
A revamped and USEFUL defender inherent (not holding my breath)
Graphical redesigns or Power set Synergy (to reduce redraw)
Just my .02
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I'm kinda with this. I still want /rad and /cold domination on my MM though. Each AT should have at least one primary and secondary that is unique to that alignment (red/blue), if not completely unique.
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I honestly think some sets should not be ported over, for example Dark Miasma should stay with defenders but I know I'm in the minority on that. I've always wanted Super Strength and Energy Melee for Scrappers but in the interests of AT "purity" I'm rethinking my selfishness and starting to think they shouldn't be ported over. In fact I really think Power Set proliferation should stop altogether and a focus should be set on:
New Powersets New AT's (What ever happened to Incarnate etc) A revamped and USEFUL defender inherent (not holding my breath) Just my .02 |
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I know the devs' reasons for it, whether I agree or disagree. Much as I agree and disagree with some of their proliferation decisions. The list was just to note what all COULD be ported. I wasn't advocating an empathy port so much as saying it's still possible.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
The entire reason Pain Domination exists is because Empathy was considered to be conceptually impossible for out-of-the-box villains. The devs have said as much. Now, you have a hero who goes rogue, that's another story. (I wish I could use a comic book analogy here, but Empathy as it functions in-game is one of those powersets that is rarely seen in comic books.)
A majority of Pain Domination is mirrored in Empathy. Empathy has the RAs and a very minor effect differences between the shared powers, but that's really the only difference. I seriously would not count on Empathy ever being proliferated. |
The two sets have enough significant differences that they can coexist on the same AT, however. They're really no more identical than Thermal is to Empathy or Pain Domination.
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Hey, why not do Ice Melee/Ice Armor for stalkers? There's all sorts of delicious puns you can make for an ice-themed stalker.
Beyond that, finish porting the weapon sets to everyone else. Especially Broadsword for brutes.
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