I16: Super-Sidekicking Explained
I think some people need to step outside their realm of comfort and really understand that some people who pay subscription fees to this game really do enjoy powerleveling their characters.
Most of them would have preferred all through time to have had the option to set the team size as to have not bothered you, at all ever. We are getting many great new features in Issue 16. But blatently dissing part of the playerbase because they play the game differently than you, is kinda harsh. |
People with the mentality of "I pay so I should get to PL" are spoiled little brats. Just because you pay, you are NOT entitled to everything. You dont like it, go elsewhere. MMO Dev's don't like game breakers. Filling your account with 50's gets boring. Those people don't stay long. Word of mouth gets worse. Game dies. Balancing the game and having a few months to get to max, keeps people in general interested. In that time people tell their friends good things. Even if they get bored, their friends are still having fun and promoting the game.
SO because I want all purples, and LotG 7.5, and Numia's +/+ i should get it. I pay each month and should get absolutely anything I want right? I want new mastermind primaries (not just 1, i want options like "Ninja Pirate Zombie Robots") I Pay so I get that right? I want the Dev "I Win Button." http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/The_I_Win_Button. Just because I pay, do I get it.?
People with the mentality of "I pay so I should get to PL" are spoiled little brats. Just because you pay, you are NOT entitled to everything. |
The extreme cases you cite of people PLing all the way to 50 are rare. I've seen it done in the past mostly by hardcore PVPers, and those people were expert players usually utterly bored by PVE. They wanted to get their characters quickly kitted out so they could fight other players.
The most common PLing I see (and participate in!) is to get quickly past the low levels, either to get a travel power, or to get Stamina and be able to slot SOs. The devs even tacitly admitted that after the first time or two those aren't the most fun levels, by their decision to ramp up 1-20 leveling speed.
The devs rightly come down on players like a ton of bricks when players use exploits like the Rikti Comm Officers or the Hami Mitos. But notice that they haven't banned maps of all bosses. That's because if you can clear an all boss map, you deserve the XP that comes with it. If you can clear that map and take some lowbies along for the ride, no harm no foul.
EDIT: by the way, lest you think I'm just some ebil PLer, the main use I'm going to put the new Super Sidekicking mechanism to is to team with my 2 kids. It's always been hard to put together teams because I need to get another mentor who will be cool with a sidekick that may abruptly announce that they're bored and want to stop playing.

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There are many times I disagree with Perfect_Pain, but in this case I agree with her and think you're overreacting and mischaracterizing what she's saying. First of all, she doesn't want something for nothing, as your silly examples in the first paragraph imply. She farms, and wants to be able to PL, but she works for her rewards and/or XP--she doesn't expect anyone to hand it to her with no risk.
The extreme cases you cite of people PLing all the way to 50 are rare. I've seen it done in the past mostly by hardcore PVPers, and those people were expert players usually utterly bored by PVE. They wanted to get their characters quickly kitted out so they could fight other players. The most common PLing I see (and participate in!) is to get quickly past the low levels, either to get a travel power, or to get Stamina and be able to slot SOs. The devs even tacitly admitted that after the first time or two those aren't the most fun levels, by their decision to ramp up 1-20 leveling speed. The devs rightly come down on players like a ton of bricks when players use exploits like the Rikti Comm Officers or the Hami Mitos. But notice that they haven't banned maps of all bosses. That's because if you can clear an all boss map, you deserve the XP that comes with it. If you can clear that map and take some lowbies along for the ride, no harm no foul. EDIT: by the way, lest you think I'm just some ebil PLer, the main use I'm going to put the new Super Sidekicking mechanism to is to team with my 2 kids. It's always been hard to put together teams because I need to get another mentor who will be cool with a sidekick that may abruptly announce that they're bored and want to stop playing. ![]() |
I PL from time to time. I got nothing better to do with my 50's when I'm bored other than PL and farm. I TF on weekends with my alts to level them. But during the week I party with 50's or my 50 parties with others and whammo.
Even so, the convince of SSK far outweighs the slowness of leveling. And even so Just because you pay for a good or service doesn't entitle you to satisfaction. If you are ever not sastisfies with a product, take your money elsewhere. That's the benefit of non communist markets. There are always other alternatives.
There are many times I disagree with Perfect_Pain, but in this case I agree with her and think you're overreacting and mischaracterizing what she's saying. First of all, she doesn't want something for nothing, as your silly examples in the first paragraph imply. She farms, and wants to be able to PL, but she works for her rewards and/or XP--she doesn't expect anyone to hand it to her with no risk. |
To the person who quoted me. I already HAVE ALL THE PURPLES I COULD EVER WANT IN THIS GAME FOR 3 ACCOUNTS. I HAVE ALL THE LotG +7.5 recharges x's 5 for 37 characters. I got it by farming/playing/pl my husband and our 3rd account/making new characters and doing ALL THE CONTENT so I can get ALL THE MERITS I CAN. If I want something in this game, I WILL HAVE IT. It's not spoiled to play the game to the best of my abilities.
You are acting like an obnoxious brat by insisting your way of thinking is RIGHT, and everyone else is wrong. Grow up.
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To the person who quoted me. I already HAVE ALL THE PURPLES I COULD EVER WANT IN THIS GAME FOR 3 ACCOUNTS. I HAVE ALL THE LotG +7.5 recharges x's 5 for 37 characters. I got it by farming/playing/pl my husband and our 3rd account/making new characters and doing ALL THE CONTENT so I can get ALL THE MERITS I CAN. If I want something in this game, I WILL HAVE IT. It's not spoiled to play the game to the best of my abilities. You are acting like an obnoxious brat by insisting your way of thinking is RIGHT, and everyone else is wrong. Grow up. /rawr |
It applies to all of us who decide to pick a side of the fence. By saying that you are insinuating that "everyone else is wrong" compared to you and thus "You are acting like an obnoxious brat by insisting your way of thinking is RIGHT" and therefore should "Grow up." If you didn't think you were right, you wouldn't post. Even if that means others are wrong. All 700+ posts of us. and <100 posts of you. Its funny how the "losing" side always says the winning side thinks they are right, and never realizes the hippocracy of the statement. Its equally funny the winning side almost never has to say these words.
I guess if you can't win with brilliance, it's better to lose with... hey look a Zepplin!
I am sorry you failed, at both attempting to be brilliant and proving your point.
Everyone plays this game for their own reasons. As long as they don't break the TOS/EULA then it is not for you or me to judge. We don't get to decide how other people play the game. We only decide for ourselves.
I am sorry you failed, at both attempting to be brilliant and proving your point.
Everyone plays this game for their own reasons. As long as they don't break the TOS/EULA then it is not for you or me to judge. We don't get to decide how other people play the game. We only decide for ourselves. |
Yes you are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine. But the Dev's point is they consiter PLing the way it has been happening to be a break/exploit/unbalanced (one or multile of those). Whining without trying is childish. You told me to grown up, when you arn't even willing to give up the "blankie" of PLing. What about normal gameplay are you so afraid of that you can't even try the new system before compalining.
At least the AE complainers have played the game after MA was introduced.
You are acting like an obnoxious brat by insisting your way of thinking is RIGHT, and everyone else is wrong. Grow up.
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She is not asking to dictate your play-style but you seem to be demanding she play your way.
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No she isn't. But you are.
She is not asking to dictate your play-style but you seem to be demanding she play your way. |
Its all the same. Your money doesn't entitle you to anything more than access to the game that the devs write. Your opinion is that you are RIGHT in being able to PL for $15/mo. MY opinion is that your money doesnt entitle you to anything more than to play the devs game. If you don't like the devs game, leave. They will do as they see fit. Remember MA made PLing much easier, and all those people complaining about MA got SSK as the fix. Now you lose your way of playing because of others complaints, so you will complain cause you feel you are RIGHT in that your playstyle is nerfed. Complaints only nerf others. I guess most people are to self centered to see that.
SSK is the ix of PLing through MA which has been the complaint since MA rolled out. YOUR money doesnt enter the equasion. Your complaints do. And in an online community the most vocal majority gets there way. As you can see the vocal majority is for SSK so you wont get your way. Again YOUR money doesnt play any part of this.
Neither does my money. If I don't like it, I'll go play something else. Currently I like it.
P.S. I have taken breaks from the game due to changes I didn't like. My money went elsewhere. I didn't feel the need when I14 came out to complain about MA spam. I just left. Now with I16, GR, etc, I'm back cause I want to support these nifty features.
If you think your money has any sway on the game, then don't give it to the company. Loss of funds is more of a statement, than "boo hoo i pay and I'm not getting my way"
Say what you want, but if she didn't think she was RIGHT, then she wouldn't have said a word. I don't like others having to change play style to fit everyones needs, but the DEVs have spoken, and very very vocal majority has spoken, and your still paying the same $15 we are all paying, so if this were a democracy (which game development IS NOT) we would all have 1 $15 vote each month, which again PLing is in the minority.
Remember the DEVs make the rules. They determine what is "broken" and they have said the way things are is "broken." They are gonna fix it. They could have taken away all SKing/Exemping. They could have made it so you cannot party outside of 5 levels. They had tons of options that other MMOs use. I would much rather SSK as the solution.
P.P.S. "you seem to be demanding she play your way." you seemed to miss the part where I said I PL/farm during the week cause there ain't anything better to do. I would say that if I PL at all, then part of my play style coincides with hers. So let me fix your quote real quick here:
She is not asking to dictate your play-style but you seem to be demanding she play [partially] your way [which is also the way the DEVs have decided fits the leveling curve the game was balanced around and finally have a team+idea on how to fix so that we have less threads about AE n00bs since they will actually have to work for some of their levels, or spend a very long boring time doorsitting with people that don't need them there to farm, unless their friends are farming them in which their friends will usually show them the ropes to help them be better teammates and thus have more fun].
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Your problem is you seem to be looking at what I am posting through anal goggles.
I am simply saying that what you think is right, is only right for you. You should stop trying to dictate how other people enjoy a game they pay for. As long as people are not breaking the TOS/EULA then your opinion doesnt really matter.
Allow people to do what they want, Stop worrying about it. You will be happier when you dont feel the need to dictate how others participate in this game.
There are many times I disagree with Perfect_Pain, but in this case I agree with her and think you're overreacting and mischaracterizing what she's saying. First of all, she doesn't want something for nothing, as your silly examples in the first paragraph imply. She farms, and wants to be able to PL, but she works for her rewards and/or XP--she doesn't expect anyone to hand it to her with no risk.
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The problem though is that there's no clear line between one person and the next. Why is farming and powerleveling okay as long as it's done outside of AE? Who makes up the rules on how fast it's okay to go? How much exp/hr is acceptable and how much isn't? Who steps in and says what the difference is between the people who "pay their $15 and want to powerlevel," and the unreasonable people using AE?
I feel like powerleveling of any sort is getting something for nothing. Really, why not just have purple drops be 2%? I'd still have to work for it. I'd probably have to kill around 50 badguys. I don't want it for free, I just want it to be way, way, way easier. Isn't that the same as wanting to be able to powerlevel?
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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"Something for nothing" is an interesting phrase, because to me powerleveling is basically something for nothing. Especially if it's done through AE where the risk is essentially zero for exceptionally high reward. It's certainly nowhere near as much time and effort as I put into most of my first characters. It took me about 3 years to finally hit 50 on something, and now I have 6 level 50s, and over exp weekends with AE I could easily hit 50 in a day or two if I wanted to. That seems like something for nothing to me.
The problem though is that there's no clear line between one person and the next. Why is farming and powerleveling okay as long as it's done outside of AE? Who makes up the rules on how fast it's okay to go? How much exp/hr is acceptable and how much isn't? Who steps in and says what the difference is between the people who "pay their $15 and want to powerlevel," and the unreasonable people using AE? I feel like powerleveling of any sort is getting something for nothing. Really, why not just have purple drops be 2%? I'd still have to work for it. I'd probably have to kill around 50 badguys. I don't want it for free, I just want it to be way, way, way easier. Isn't that the same as wanting to be able to powerlevel? |
When I want those Power leveled characters to have a certain badge... I play another character on another account all the way up through all the content and dual or even tri box in order to do what i want.
I have never in my LIFE begged someone I do not know... or even anyone I know for either Money or Powerleveling.
All of our own expieriences in this game only matter to us, as individual account holders. What someone else does in this game is not our place to pass judgement on, as long as they dont break the TOS/EULA. It's just not our buissness.
Well unless they have changed it, only the mission holder needs to talk to the person and give the password. After they go in and get the Midnighter's Badge, everyone on the team gets it and can go in, no need to talk to the person to give the password.
Now, I haven't tried this in a long time and they could have changed it but before, once you have gotten the Midnighter's Badge you can get into the Midnighters Club. Can someone tell me, has this been changed or was this a bug and they fixed it? |
Except, then my 50 is going to be stuck with an incomplete arc and Monty hanging around my contacts on missions I never intend to do.
turning super sidekicking off would save a lot of problems...
Hey Disp, I KNOW this might be a hard concept for you to grasp but before you go Dissing the AE and all Boss maps you should, oh what is that word.
Try them.
I'm sick and tired of you self righting Jack Emmerts who demean a style of play "Oh takers aren't supose to be able to fight unbuffed! Blasters need to refuse healing, that's how Defiance is meant to be played! Boss Maps are Easy! Controlers were Never Meant to have multiple pets!"
And actually try it out, you know you might be surprised.
Get of your fricking high horse and try something before condeming anyone who disagrees with you. I LOATH PvP with a all consuming rage the likes if which Bruce Banner has never seen but you don't see me demonizing PvP because you know what?
I tried it, saw the skill involved in it and shut my damn trap.
Tell me Disp what are you so afraid of? Afraid you might like it? Come on we won't think less of you if you did.
And quite frankly until you have i'm putting you on ignore
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I have a question,
Since side kicking is automatic now, what happens if you're lvl 45-47 and you team with 50's does that mean your automatically sked to 49 as well? slowing down XP between those levels? Or am I completely off in my thought process about that?

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"Something for nothing" is an interesting phrase, because to me powerleveling is basically something for nothing.
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It took me about 3 years to finally hit 50 on something, and now I have 6 level 50s, and over exp weekends with AE I could easily hit 50 in a day or two if I wanted to. That seems like something for nothing to me. |
The problem though is that there's no clear line between one person and the next. Why is farming and powerleveling okay as long as it's done outside of AE? Who makes up the rules on how fast it's okay to go? How much exp/hr is acceptable and how much isn't? Who steps in and says what the difference is between the people who "pay their $15 and want to powerlevel," and the unreasonable people using AE? |
- The devs don't like farming, they don't want to encourage farming, but they aren't going to go to draconian lengths to eliminate it either.
- They have zero tolerance for exploits. Thus stuff like Rikti Comm Officers and Hami Mitos get eliminated.
- They have an uneven track record when it comes to dealing with farming that reflects the fact that squelching farming just isn't a major goal:
- Dreck got a timer but Battle Maiden never did, even though it was blindingly obvious that it was the preferred farming map.
- Family XP got lowered because they were too easy compared to other mobs, but Maniac Slammer boss XP hasn't.
- AE missions can be reported for being farms, resulting in the slot being locked out. Yet no mechanism for reporting farmers has ever been put in game for non-AE farms. I believe this stems more from them wanting the AE mission list to be uncluttered by farm missions more than actually trying to stamp out farming.
- The devs apparently believe in fair rewards for level of risk undertaken. Thus if you can take on a map full of level 54 bosses, then you have earned the rewards. It's not an exploit even though resultant leveling speed can be far outside what was ever envisioned pre-AE.
And if I want to PL my kids' characters or my own alt, I'll still be able to, only with the lowbies as my SKs instead of at -5 via a bridge. No big deal. This game is just getting better and better.

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What happens if the team leader crashes and the star is passed to another?
If the star is passed to a higher level will everyone go to that level, or the opposite, the star is passed to a lower level and everything spawn is the deepest shade of purple? Another question on the exemplaring down and TF's. Does this mean you will keep powers if you XM down to the now dreaded Positron TF? Does this mean you will no longer have the level spread of level 10's and level 15's (etc) in TF's? |
And i also wonder if the Architect missions will exemplar the group down....as in exemplar the group to the lowest level member.....becasue if it doesnt this will do nothing to change the current PL trends.
But go figure.....i suppose these changes will make the side kick exemplar thing easier....maybe its a portent of things to come.
Actualy i am wondering if there will still be level requirements on zones and task froces and strike forces and trials....becasue thats still a major hurdle...i have run into that problem many times before...where people have to leave the group becasue they cant continue something in an area they are not high enough level to enter.
Since side kicking is automatic now, what happens if you're lvl 45-47 and you team with 50's does that mean your automatically sked to 49 as well? slowing down XP between those levels? Or am I completely off in my thought process about that?
Your leveling rate will remain the same - you'll notice that a Lv1 character sidekicked to... any level, really, still gains levels at the rate of a Lv1 {Lv2, then Lv3 etc} character. Sidekicking doesn't change the experience gain or the requirements for the next level - it simply lets you fight at a higher level.
All of our own expieriences in this game only matter to us, as individual account holders. What someone else does in this game is not our place to pass judgement on, as long as they dont break the TOS/EULA. It's just not our buissness.
Okay. Fair warning. Rant ahead.
I'm a reasonable man. I'm not asking for much, not often at least. I know that different people have different tastes and sometimes, frequently in fact, they want things that I don't want, even if I really want them not to. But, you know, that's how it is, live and live, make love not war, pointy end toward the enemy and so forth. You play by yourself and you're your own master and it's nobody, and I mean nobody's business to tell you how to play.
But when you're on a team - when you're on my team, your [mass] belongs to your teammates. I don't care if two passive primaries and every single secondary except taunt make your tank steamroll when he's solo, if you're not the first in the fight or if you're the last man standing when your team is sucking dirt, then you're worthless. Your controller is going to hold that sorcerer, heal whoever's hitpoints are below two thirds, slow or immobilize the meelee enemies, throw fortitude around, bubble, speed boost and O2. If you really want, you can stand around with healing aura on autofire, but you can do it outside.
You can play any way you want to. You can farm, exploit, power level and brag how you got your fifty in six hours. Really, you can. I won't mind. But if you join my team with your Lv50 right after standing in Atlas asking "where is Orbos" and "What are enhancements?" then don't think for a minute, for a split second, that I will have any pity on you. In the gospel of Uncle Ben, with great power comes great responsibility - but if the responsibility of merely knowing your backside from a hole in the ground that much of a burden then, to me, you have no right not to be talked down to at all.
i think this is really cool, it will help A TON on taskforces, especially the phalanx TFs. although your guess as to how many people use bridges is waaay off, easily half the people i play with have alternate accounts just for the bridges ( i do haha ) which are going to be closed. i wont miss the all the filler and bridge spam though, really a good move.
i never complain about additions to the game the updates or "issues" add content and are FREE ( my favorite 4 letter word )
WOOOOOOAH! it's like...i just....i can't.....WOW...
The Devs must have real-life "super idea powers". This is awesome.
Why not every kill drop purples... its not somethin for nothing. Its something for very little. Thats what PLing is... Little work for lots of gain. ITs just as much over reacting as "OMGZ AE needz teh nerfz" or "OMGZ SSK ruinz mai PLn n i payz monez 4 teh gamez."
I PL from time to time. I got nothing better to do with my 50's when I'm bored other than PL and farm. I TF on weekends with my alts to level them. But during the week I party with 50's or my 50 parties with others and whammo. Even so, the convince of SSK far outweighs the slowness of leveling. And even so Just because you pay for a good or service doesn't entitle you to satisfaction. If you are ever not sastisfies with a product, take your money elsewhere. That's the benefit of non communist markets. There are always other alternatives. |
Point is, when you log on, you should accomplish something or work your way to something. The 'casual' kids who don't spend a lot of time feel like they're not really getting towards anything aside from day job badges. With my patented Purplebreaker (copyright me), everyone can work towards something no matter how much time they have to devote, instead of whining and ******** when they don't get what's "coming to them".
Simply and outrageously awesome! Score one in the fight against PL'ers. And frankly, this is awesome, since now my friends can play whatever toon they want! Just the other day i was in a TF that was too low for my friend, she's 47 and wants to hit her first EVER 50 blueside. Now, it can all happen
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I think some people need to step outside their realm of comfort and really understand that some people who pay subscription fees to this game really do enjoy powerleveling their characters.
Most of them would have preferred all through time to have had the option to set the team size as to have not bothered you, at all ever.
We are getting many great new features in Issue 16. But blatently dissing part of the playerbase because they play the game differently than you, is kinda harsh.