I16: Super-Sidekicking Explained
You don't need to make it so every time you kill something you get a purple, that's not what people are asking so stop being duurrrrrr and read between the lines. Most people, the "casual" ones I'm willing to bet, are generally miffed because they never get to see them. Now, whether this is because they truly NEVAR see one, or it's because they sit in AE all the time, who can say. The problem I've always had, though slight, in games where theres a chance for something to happen - like loot drops - is statistically, though extremely unlikely, you could literally play this game every day through it's lifespan and never get a 'rare' (whatever game/rare applies you decide). Ever, that's how chance works. On the flipside, yes, you could literally get a purple every kill. The thing that got me was with the defense mechanic. You can boost your defense to levels where everything always gets a 5% hit rate on you, but eventually and inevitably, you will get hit due to their streak breaker system. I just flat out wonder why they even have a system, but really, why can't mmo's or even this game incorporate that into their loot system?
Point is, when you log on, you should accomplish something or work your way to something. The 'casual' kids who don't spend a lot of time feel like they're not really getting towards anything aside from day job badges. With my patented Purplebreaker (copyright me), everyone can work towards something no matter how much time they have to devote, instead of whining and ******** when they don't get what's "coming to them". |
I am not in fact advocateing that attitude. Really I have not been for or agains PLing. I am for ease of teaming, so I am willing to sacrifice PLing for it. Evidently people decide to read only a line or two cause every post I made yesterday was about the "I pay so I'm entitled" attitude. You pay, so you are entitled to log in and play the devs game.
Later I did make the point that the loss of PLing is the devs fix for all the "AE babies" threads. We all are losing the privilege of PLing, since so many people have complained about MA abuse. If you look in those threads you will see me advocate letting people play how they want to. I still think if you want to PL you should. I do from time to time. But I also don't want people to complain so much about the loss of PLing that we lose something else. Want bridging back, what if they take away sking/menting all togeather. then as long as you are in range you get to PL.
It has been quite a few of the people on this thread (adding -rep to me, while twice as many add +rep to me making it funny since I turned rep display off) that have completely missed my point. Missconstrewed what I said. They do that cause they are losing the war against all the people that love SSK so they... Hey look a Zepplin.
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But when you're on a team - when you're on my team, your [mass] belongs to your teammates. I don't care if two passive primaries and every single secondary except taunt make your tank steamroll when he's solo, if you're not the first in the fight or if you're the last man standing when your team is sucking dirt, then you're worthless. Your controller is going to hold that sorcerer, heal whoever's hitpoints are below two thirds, slow or immobilize the meelee enemies, throw fortitude around, bubble, speed boost and O2. If you really want, you can stand around with healing aura on autofire, but you can do it outside. You can play any way you want to. You can farm, exploit, power level and brag how you got your fifty in six hours. Really, you can. I won't mind. But if you join my team with your Lv50 right after standing in Atlas asking "where is Orbos" and "What are enhancements?" then don't think for a minute, for a split second, that I will have any pity on you. In the gospel of Uncle Ben, with great power comes great responsibility - but if the responsibility of merely knowing your backside from a hole in the ground that much of a burden then, to me, you have no right not to be talked down to at all. |
There's nothing wrong with trying to get a healing badge on an AT other than a "healing" type. It's amusing to do, for one thing. For another, when you've played forever, you have to have SOME type of goal. i've done it with a blaster. So, implying someone is a n00b because they took medicine to get a healing badge is a bit short sighted.
Later I did make the point that the loss of PLing is the devs fix for all the "AE babies" threads. We all are losing the privilege of PLing, since so many people have complained about MA abuse.
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It has been quite a few of the people on this thread (adding -rep to me, while twice as many add +rep to me making it funny since I turned rep display off) that have completely missed my point. Missconstrewed what I said. |
And because this is a massive thread and folks will read this message without necessarily seeing my previous posts, let me reiterate that I'm super happy over the coming SSK system and good riddance to bridging.
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Regardless of how many =Reps I get I still dont see the awesomeness about SSK!
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Hey Disp, I KNOW this might be a hard concept for you to grasp but before you go Dissing the AE and all Boss maps you should, oh what is that word.
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I actually farm and powerlevel a lot myself. I didn't say in my post that it's a bad thing or that people shouldn't do it. I never actually have said that, and never will.
I guess you could say I "earned" my first few 50s. After that I got bored of the run and started rushing there. In fact, these days my motivation to level is usually just to get costume slots. A lot of my characters taper off after 40.
I'm sick and tired of you self righting Jack Emmerts who demean a style of play "Oh takers aren't supose to be able to fight unbuffed! Blasters need to refuse healing, that's how Defiance is meant to be played! Boss Maps are Easy! Controlers were Never Meant to have multiple pets!"
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Tell me Disp what are you so afraid of? Afraid you might like it? Come on we won't think less of you if you did.
And quite frankly until you have i'm putting you on ignore |
It's weird to me that someone will say it's okay to powerlevel a character from 1 to 50 in a few days but that item drops should still be really hard to obtain. Or that someone would say "I don't want something for nothing, I just want to trivialize the leveling process."
Hopefully you took me off ignore 2 years ago, because that's when I "tried it out."
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Regardless of how many =Reps I get I still dont see the awesomeness about SSK!
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It's a real hassle sometimes to have to keep people waiting while you try to recruit enough mentors for a couple of the lowbies who want to do a TF, just because there aren't enough of you at a common level to be able to team comfortably. If you don't see the awesomeness of that then you probably don't do TFs/SFs very often, and likely never lead them.
I don't care if SSK impedes or helps the powerlevellers - they can play however they want to. If they get bored of the game too quickly then they can go find something else to play - I won't be giving their whining any credence. If they level up too quickly and fail to gain an adequate understanding of gameplay/tactics so that they are unable to play well in teams - and then if they are also unwilling to compromise/improve their flawed gameplay after receiving friendly advice, simply because they're L50 and think they know everything - then I reserve the right to treat them in the same way I do the moronically stupid and the aggressively rude - with contempt and a strong desire to avoid them in future.
Just so you know, I'm a devil's advocate. Most of my posts are. I like to provoke discussion and will even argue against my own opinions if you catch me on a good day.
I actually farm and powerlevel a lot myself. I didn't say in my post that it's a bad thing or that people shouldn't do it. I never actually have said that, and never will. I guess you could say I "earned" my first few 50s. After that I got bored of the run and started rushing there. In fact, these days my motivation to level is usually just to get costume slots. A lot of my characters taper off after 40. I don't recall ever saying anything similar to any of those things. I'm not afraid of anything, since like I said I won't deny that I farm occasionally and powerlevel because I'm not interested in repeating the same content for the umpteenth time. But I've also never condemned it, just questioned why one form of "get stuff faster/sooner/easier" is any different than another form. It's weird to me that someone will say it's okay to powerlevel a character from 1 to 50 in a few days but that item drops should still be really hard to obtain. Or that someone would say "I don't want something for nothing, I just want to trivialize the leveling process." Hopefully you took me off ignore 2 years ago, because that's when I "tried it out." |
Now your just proving my point, you lump everything you don't like in the same group.
I HATE PEOPLE WHO DO THAT
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I could care less what the rest of the morons here say about how much I hate i16...I stand by what I say and I dont see how -Rep'in me with comments like "go **** yourself" will make me change my mind?
Oh and kuddos to the coward that says that to me when you cant see who did...way to go!
I love color customization , I love the new animations but SSK doesnt impress me and it doesnt effect me how is this a bad thing?
again I am colored meh all over when it comes to SSK
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Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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I could care less what the rest of the morons here say about how much I hate i16...I stand by what I say and I dont see how -Rep'in me with comments like "go **** yourself" will make me change my mind?
Oh and kuddos to the coward that says that to me when you cant see who did...way to go! I love color customization , I love the new animations but SSK doesnt impress me and it doesnt effect me how is this a bad thing? again I am colored meh all over when it comes to SSK |
So? What's the point of your posting this whole 'neener-neener neeeeener' vibe, aside from upping your post count? They can't change your mind? Then why keep telling them that
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Does this mean you can walk a level one villain and a level one hero to the Rikti War Zone as long as they are on a team with a 35+ leader?
Maybe this will get all of the AE farms away from Atlas and move them to the RWZ if this is indeed the case. |
I also agree with the posters who believe that removing the level restriction from Cimerora and the War Zone make the zones less special. As lowbies will not get Vanguard Merits and will be unable to earn Vanguard costume pieces, I think this zone and Cimerora should remain closed to <35.
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That's the only thing about I16 I'm worried about. I would like to be able to run Mothership Raids. Instead, I think the RWZ will become the new PL/Farm zone instead of Cap and Atlas and the zone will be full of players seeking PL and clogging up broadcast with LFF spam. Running a MS Raid is going to be an unpleasant prospect.
I also agree with the posters who believe that removing the level restriction from Cimerora and the War Zone make the zones less special. As lowbies will not get Vanguard Merits and will be unable to earn Vanguard costume pieces, I think this zone and Cimerora should remain closed to <35. |
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I don't really see how the two are linked. The vast majority of MA speed-leveling comes from teams that are all auto-SK'd to 50. They level just as fast or faster than the traditional solo Fire/Kin using a bridge because they're fighting all level 52-54 bosses. Saying that the new SSK system is a fix for the AE situation makes no sense to me. Losing the ability to bridge won't change the fact that you can ding 50 after a couple of days in the AE. Where's the "fix"? I'm not seeing it.
If you find that despite repeated posts other people constantly don't understand the point you're trying to make, then I'd say the problem is probably your writing style more than anything else. EDIT: to be clear I'm not dissing you. Just saying that when I find myself repeatedly not understood, the problem is usually that I'm not making my point clearly enough. Of course on these forums some people just have an axe to grind and they'll never admit you're making a valid point! And because this is a massive thread and folks will read this message without necessarily seeing my previous posts, let me reiterate that I'm super happy over the coming SSK system and good riddance to bridging. |
Back on topic tho, I did use some big words, so your right, I should have dumbed down my post since they couldn't understand. Well actually I did. Each successing post tended to be simpler and more basic in speach.
As for the debate tactics mentioned above, generally you can get a good idea of what I am explaining by watching an American Presidential Election. (Yes I am an American, but I recognise alot of the playerbase is not).
You do know that the streak breaker is skewed so that if you have 30% or more defense, a target has to miss 100 times in a row before the code activates? Even at 45% defense (best case), you will be hit 5% of the time, which means that you are likely to get hit by the 14th swing. The code won't take effect for another 76 swings, and if your target lasts that long, you're not doing something right.
The code is there so that if you have a realistic chance to hit something, you will. If you don't have a realistic chance (20% or less) then the code won't really do anything unless you take the time to swing 100 times. http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics EDIT: The point I'm trying to make is that the streak breaker doesn't effect people with defense. If you hit 30% defense, the code does nothing. Not that I am against said "Purplebreaker." It would be nice that everyone have that inevitability of getting a purple, but it would still be ridiculously long time. Think grinding for Carnie Illusionist badge three times long. Would it really help? Probably not. EDIT EDIT: But really, it's arguably inevitable that you will get a purple anyway. Even if it were a .01% chance to drop, given time, it will happen. Think about casinos and the lottery. Odds are 100 million to one to win the lottery and around 30 million to one for most slot machine jackpots. They still happen. |
Anyways, yes I see what you're getting at. My idea, if implemented, would at the very least pull people away from AE with the notion that they have an 'increased' chance of getting purples. Yes it would probably be a rediculously long time, but at the very least I know I'm going to get something eventually instead of grinding out missions for a few days, coming up with ****, saying **** this, and going back to AE for tickets instead.
Well having played COH for 5+ years they are going to be in for some trouble at the launch of CO. Since I wasn't allowed to Beta these last two issues, I have spent time betaing CO.
Its a solid game with lots of bugs that people are willing to overlook because of issues like this. Super-Sidekicking while a good and needed idea to replace the 50's thats we're going to lose will really mess up MS raids cause a lvl 10 tank sked to lvl 50 to tank, is still a tank with powers only up to lvl 10, and dog meat to Rikti Magus. Everyone who has ever been on a MS Raid will tell you lose containment and you see a sea of orange bodies, so how long do we carry the dead weight sk thats below the needed lvls to actually help the raid.
If you want to lvl and only play AE then come into the regular pve and not know that an emp defender rez people thats a internal game problem, and I ran into that same problem as I ported our dead tank to me and he used his awaken instead of accepting the rez, and then when I said something he was like oh good to know. I believe everyone would agree this is something he should have already known if he's running missions in bricks. Just saying.
Now with super-sidekicking we will have people in zones who shouldn't be there and its that simple. Before anyone screams but I want to play with my friend, I sidekicked and exempetd my bestfriend in the game at lvl 30 until we were both the same lvl (30) and that was before lvl pacts, AE auto sk's or any of that fancy stuff. So if you want to play with a friend there are ways to do it with out messing with the core game system any further.
Keep Super sidekicking if you want but don't make it so they get access to hazard zones until they reach the min lvls to enter the zone. With great power comes great responsibility and hopefully commonsense.
Just my two cents worth.
Valor
PS: I forgot to cry Doom since I am going to be getting negative rep points for speaking the truth IMO and accused of crying doom in the wrong thread. DOH guess thats where the comonsense part of my post would come in. I have to say I do like the v-boards and being able to update post like this.
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There's nothing wrong with trying to get a healing badge on an AT other than a "healing" type. It's amusing to do, for one thing. For another, when you've played forever, you have to have SOME type of goal. i've done it with a blaster. So, implying someone is a n00b because they took medicine to get a healing badge is a bit short sighted.
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I too would like to see all characters get Vanguard merits. I think they should drop like regular Merits and MA tickets.
I still don't want to see them on Mothership raids, any more than on Hami raids.
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Okay I don't think special merits or zone rewards should be made less special, in the words of Syndrom:
"When everyone is super, then no one will be."
I consider vanguard merit and hazard zones fall in that case. Making it so everyone get everything all the time just allow me to roll up 50's and cut the labor of playing to get to 50 so I can have all the powers I want to run the missions I want, I can just run Oboro content right or hang in Atlas for AE missions.
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Well having played COH for 5+ years they are going to be in for some trouble at the launch of CO. Since I wasn't allowed to Beta these last two issues, I have spent time betaing CO.
Its a solid game with lots of bugs that people are willing to overlook because of issues like this. Super-Sidekicking while a good and needed idea to replace the 50's thats we're going to lose will really mess up MS raids cause a lvl 10 tank sked to lvl 50 to tank, is still a tank with powers only up to lvl 10, and dog meat to Rikti Magus. Everyone who has ever been on a MS Raid will tell you lose containment and you see a sea of orange bodies, so how long do we carry the dead weight sk thats below the needed lvls to actually help the raid. If you want to lvl and only play AE then come into the regular pve and not know that an emp defender rez people thats a internal game problem, and I ran into that same problem as I ported our dead tank to me and he used his awaken instead of accepting the rez, and then when I said something he was like oh good to know. I believe everyone would agree this is something he should have already known if he's running missions in bricks. Just saying. Now with super-sidekicking we will have people in zones who shouldn't be there and its that simple. Before anyone screams but I want to play with my friend, I sidekicked and exempetd my bestfriend in the game at lvl 30 until we were both the same lvl (30) and that was before lvl pacts, AE auto sk's or any of that fancy stuff. So if you want to play with a friend there are ways to do it with out messing with the core game system any further. Keep Super sidekicking if you want but don't make it so they get access to hazard zones until they reach the min lvls to enter the zone. With great power comes great responsibility and hopefully commonsense. Just my two cents worth. Valor |
i didn't know that entering RWZ automatically added you to the raid! Wow 63 months and i though you had to be invited to a team! Oh man i wish it was the other way though then the raid team leaser could, i dunno, screen, potential raiders. That lvl 10 tanks might not be worth added but the lvl 12 FF defender sure is (or are you telling me that having dispursion bubble and the 2 shields only works if your 50?)
I will agree though Vangard merits should be earned bu really jsut let the lvl 10 join a 35 on his arc run, i mean he;s going to be fighting Rikti anyway during those invasions.
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I hate Vangaurd Merits and how they are handled. The numbers required for costume parts are pretty extreme.
I've pretty much given up on getting them on non-tank, no-scrapper and non-brutes.
I hate being a perma-statue during raids.
Still here, even after all this time!

i didn't know that entering RWZ automatically added you to the raid! Wow 63 months and i though you had to be invited to a team! Oh man i wish it was the other way though then the raid team leaser could, i dunno, screen, potential raiders. That lvl 10 tanks might not be worth added but the lvl 12 FF defender sure is (or are you telling me that having dispursion bubble and the 2 shields only works if your 50?)
I will agree though Vangard merits should be earned bu really jsut let the lvl 10 join a 35 on his arc run, i mean he;s going to be fighting Rikti anyway during those invasions. |
Now what would you say about Hami? Hmm same thing and thats a limited amount to even get in that zone. Even sked to 50 your FF defender still only is a 12 and just as squishy remember the sea of orange part of that group. Oh And I love Defenders they make me uber. Asked any of my raiders try to have at least one on each team if we can get them.
It's not like once they get unsked they will be booted from the zone, Now if that part of the features of Super sidekick then fine. Except when the lag causes there mentor to get kicked then zapp they are outta the zone, Hmm why cause that complaint Oh right cause someone thinks they should be there.
I'll say live and let live when they give me the vet reward that allows me to make 50's on COX so I can enjoy all the content my way. Cause thats really what were talking about appeazing the masses.
I'm not aganist sidekicking, even super sidekicking but My blaster with two attacks can't take out a pylon in the STF, My Fender can only offer so much support healing or bubbling in Dr Q TF, Tank Hami etc.
we all have opinions on this subject.
Valor
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Point is, when you log on, you should accomplish something or work your way to something. The 'casual' kids who don't spend a lot of time feel like they're not really getting towards anything aside from day job badges. With my patented Purplebreaker (copyright me), everyone can work towards something no matter how much time they have to devote, instead of whining and ******** when they don't get what's "coming to them".
The code is there so that if you have a realistic chance to hit something, you will. If you don't have a realistic chance (20% or less) then the code won't really do anything unless you take the time to swing 100 times.
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
EDIT: The point I'm trying to make is that the streak breaker doesn't effect people with defense. If you hit 30% defense, the code does nothing.
Not that I am against said "Purplebreaker." It would be nice that everyone have that inevitability of getting a purple, but it would still be ridiculously long time. Think grinding for Carnie Illusionist badge three times long. Would it really help? Probably not.
EDIT EDIT: But really, it's arguably inevitable that you will get a purple anyway. Even if it were a .01% chance to drop, given time, it will happen. Think about casinos and the lottery. Odds are 100 million to one to win the lottery and around 30 million to one for most slot machine jackpots. They still happen.
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