I16: Super-Sidekicking Explained
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Posted on: 2009-08-12 10:06 in Developers' Corner
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Me, I've been requesting throwable pies for five years. Still no pies. |
Originally Posted by Bloodspeaker
So when are we going to get cheese in the game? EVERYthing is better with cheese!
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I will not rest until we have in-game throwable pies!
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We have eating emotes now - that's a first step, surely?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Wacky
Me, I've been requesting throwable pies for five years. Still no pies.
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What badge are you talking about?|
Originally Posted by Wavicle
I see nothing in the thread in any way implying that they are forcing people to do the whole arc and not just the last mission to get the badge.
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If you're talking about curing the rikti, the badge doesn't get you in. Ive been teamed where we're all earning the badge at the same rate, and then after curing the rikti, one guy complains because he forgot to talk to Montigue to get the PW to talk to the kid outside. And that's AFTER you get the badge. You need the arc to get the PW to talk to the kid, and it seems each of us needed to do it, because one teammate couldn't get past the kid until he got the next story section, which was the password. Which means you need your own individual arc.
There are times you don't care about XP or rewards. And this arc is it for me.
I want to be able to turn SUPER sidekicking off so I can have some 50 stomp all over content I'm forced to go through with all 144 of my characters. You know, you can't use your 3 day complete the mission with any portion of this arc or I would. They made this arc shortcut proof except for having someone too high on your team. And I hate that they are now removing this option too.
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But they haven't. You just have to enter the mission and have your friend 'un-side-kick' by quitting the team and moshing it for you.
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Originally Posted by BurningBear
What badge are you talking about?
If you're talking about curing the rikti, the badge doesn't get you in. Ive been teamed where we're all earning the badge at the same rate, and then after curing the rikti, one guy complains because he forgot to talk to Montigue to get the PW to talk to the kid outside. And that's AFTER you get the badge. You need the arc to get the PW to talk to the kid, and it seems each of us needed to do it, because one teammate couldn't get past the kid until he got the next story section, which was the password. Which means you need your own individual arc. There are times you don't care about XP or rewards. And this arc is it for me. I want to be able to turn SUPER sidekicking off so I can have some 50 stomp all over content I'm forced to go through with all 144 of my characters. You know, you can't use your 3 day complete the mission with any portion of this arc or I would. They made this arc shortcut proof except for having someone too high on your team. And I hate that they are now removing this option too. |
Still here, even after all this time!
oooh I would love atlantis...maybe then we can actually get some Coralax love!
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They added a mention of Atlantis to the ITF that wasn't there at the start, so they're planning something about Atlantis for sure.
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Originally Posted by Shadow_Wail
oooh I would love atlantis...maybe then we can actually get some Coralax love!
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@Golden Girl
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You're sure that's how it will work?|
Originally Posted by Futurias
But they haven't. You just have to enter the mission and have your friend 'un-side-kick' by quitting the team and moshing it for you.
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Wouldn't the senario more likely be if I had a 40 that wanted to do an ITF, and I teamed him with one of my 15s. We're on the defeat Celene Dion and click 4 computers mission. We enter and my 40 quits, slaughters everything and rejoins in Celene's room, and TPs the 15 there. we each click 2 computers. My 15 completes it and my 40 gets the dreaded "you have not been on the mission long enough to receive any rewards" and doesn't get credit for the mission. He still has to do his 40 mission.
I've joined teams in the middle where they were doing a mission I had by the same contact. We complete the mission, I get the dreaded message and if I do, I never get the "do you want to complete your mission too" option.
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Yay! The ability to enable disabling of some options, while enabling enabling of others, was kind of silly.
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Originally Posted by pohsyb
Also, the options have been re-organized a bit and confusing logic tests have been cleaned up.
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A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
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I've gotten the Midnight Squad badge from a teammate talking to the Latin Student even though I didn't have the mission myself, in fact my level 25 Warshade hasn't even started the arc and already has it.
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Originally Posted by BurningBear
If you're talking about curing the rikti, the badge doesn't get you in. Ive been teamed where we're all earning the badge at the same rate, and then after curing the rikti, one guy complains because he forgot to talk to Montigue to get the PW to talk to the kid outside. And that's AFTER you get the badge. You need the arc to get the PW to talk to the kid, and it seems each of us needed to do it, because one teammate couldn't get past the kid until he got the next story section, which was the password. Which means you need your own individual arc.
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If you're allowed all you powers even if you're exemped down, would that apply to Ouroboros missions or not? And if it does, wouldn't that make it very easy to farm merits from lower level arcs?
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It depends on if you get your full powers or not. They may allow you to keep your higher level powers, but at reduced effectiveness. Perhaps each 'exemplared' power will have a -15% damage, -15% recharge, -10% Resistance or -5% Defense (to a minimum of 0%) on top of the reduced effect of lowered enhancements.|
Originally Posted by Golden_Girl_EU
If you're allowed all you powers even if you're exemped down, would that apply to Ouroboros missions or not? And if it does, wouldn't that make it very easy to farm merits from lower level arcs?
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If they did that, I'd be happy. Still having fly or other travel powers while still being 'mostly' effective would be nice.
Still here, even after all this time!
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First off.. The MA is easy.. but it was made to make it easy for the Dev's in the first place. Before I14 they had to make missions and arcs using Excell!?|
Originally Posted by Shadow_Wail
I don't want fluff and padding, I want new stories that are ingame. I also find i16 to be a big meh...I'll play a few toons with added customization but that will only last a few weeks
I dont see how it is sooo easy for us to make content on MA but the devs cant do that ingame? |
All of you that are asking for new content OVER game upgrades... Without the game upgrades City of Heroes would have been dead by the end of the year! You can't deny that upgrading it in time for new competition is essential to the survival of the game.
If the servers go down there is NO content to play. So you dont have to bother about any new content either.
My guess is that all writers are working on the Going Rogue expansion. It is already said that it has content and several zones. For all we know it has, now with the new easier way of making missions and arcs, just as many content as City of Heroes and City of Villains combined. At least give them the time to show it.
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Originally Posted by Liz_Bathory_EU
First off.. The MA is easy.. but it was made to make it easy for the Dev's in the first place. Before I14 they had to make missions and arcs using Excell!?
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MA was based of a developer mission creating tool that was already in use far before i14, they just removed features and made it more mass user friendly. At least according to an interview of one of the dev's i read before relase.
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Incorrect. Before they developed the MA, the developers used Excel (spreadsheets) to design missions.|
Originally Posted by Kindeller
MA was based of a developer mission creating tool that was already in use far before i14, they just removed features and made it more mass user friendly. At least according to an interview of one of the dev's i read before relase.
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They now use a form of the mission editor for in house mission making.
Still here, even after all this time!
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I'm sure we'd get everything we ever wanted if the Devs were a team of Energizer Bunnies.|
Originally Posted by Shadow_Wail
Why hire new writers when all we get is a new arcs here and there every few issues? you would think with the amount of writers they hire we would have tons of new arcs and ingame content... they seem to be dead weight. I am sure the devs must have a grand book of lore in their offices that tell the entire story... what is there to get up to speed with?!
They forgot about the coming storm that or GR is the coming storm... and nothing more. I am not a programmer and maybe I am oversimplkifying this...but MA is so easy to make a mission.. why cant the devs do the same and add new arcs every few patches? I do not see the harm with adding a new 5 mission arc monthly. |
Writing is easy. Writing something good, designing it and implementing it into the game, not so easy. Which is why I pretty much gave up on the idea of doing what our Devs do, more headache than I care for.
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Originally Posted by GPBunny
Would there be a way to self exemplar now?
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I remember suggesting a self exemplar button when rested exp was raising a fuss about outleveling content from a few people. We got the "disable experience" option instead.
When Mr. Miller confirmed we'd be gaining experience points while exemplared (except at level fifty, presumably meaning no level bump :P), I immediately (as in three or four days later) realized you could level to fifty in a single zone.. say, King's Row. I mean.. without being stuck in an Arachnos Exploit virtual reality machine.
But you'd have to find someone to sidekick/ lackey you to do so, for the entire time you were there.. With a self exemplar ability, that option would open up to you a bit. I personally would get a huge thrill exemplaring to a lower level and running some of my oldies through popular, well populated spots like Perez Park and Boomtown!
J/ Wilde
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Still hate the visit Winscott mission- make it dropable, have it give actual exp or remove it altogether. PS- Down knows who you are.
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This is really uneeded...After all, you already outlevel content so fast from 1-30 that you can barely keep up...As for Super-Sidekicking, the reason you see low numbers of "Bridging" Teams is that with AE, you don't need too.
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Originally Posted by Positron
As for low level characters missing out on accelerated leveling speeds, we are increasing the rewards they earn from level 1 to 20 (about 20% across the board) so that every player can get through the lower levels faster, not just those that know the tricks.
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Originally Posted by Energy_Aura
This is really uneeded...After all, you already outlevel content so fast from 1-30 that you can barely keep up...As for Super-Sidekicking, the reason you see low numbers of "Bridging" Teams is that with AE, you don't need too.
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I like how people like you can decide for all of us that this is unnecessary for the rest of us. You have a switch to shut off xp, but that is too difficult. People have told you how to make a no xp macro. What more do you need? You have everything you need to feed your OCD need to complete every arc. I find that taking a different route through the content to 50 keeps things moving. Bottle neck once you hit 35+ but radio missions and TF's add some break to the monotony. You will even be able to go back and team with friends at lower levels if you missed a mayhem/safeguard or some such. Now if they would just fix the no merits for non leaders we would be really getting some where.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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Originally Posted by BurningBear
What badge are you talking about?
If you're talking about curing the rikti, the badge doesn't get you in. Ive been teamed where we're all earning the badge at the same rate, and then after curing the rikti, one guy complains because he forgot to talk to Montigue to get the PW to talk to the kid outside. And that's AFTER you get the badge. You need the arc to get the PW to talk to the kid, and it seems each of us needed to do it, because one teammate couldn't get past the kid until he got the next story section, which was the password. Which means you need your own individual arc. There are times you don't care about XP or rewards. And this arc is it for me. I want to be able to turn SUPER sidekicking off so I can have some 50 stomp all over content I'm forced to go through with all 144 of my characters. You know, you can't use your 3 day complete the mission with any portion of this arc or I would. They made this arc shortcut proof except for having someone too high on your team. And I hate that they are now removing this option too. |
i agree we need to have the option of turning super sidekicking off as we would turn off xp
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Well unless they have changed it, only the mission holder needs to talk to the person and give the password. After they go in and get the Midnighter's Badge, everyone on the team gets it and can go in, no need to talk to the person to give the password. |
Originally Posted by BurningBear
What badge are you talking about?
If you're talking about curing the rikti, the badge doesn't get you in. Ive been teamed where we're all earning the badge at the same rate, and then after curing the rikti, one guy complains because he forgot to talk to Montigue to get the PW to talk to the kid outside. And that's AFTER you get the badge. You need the arc to get the PW to talk to the kid, and it seems each of us needed to do it, because one teammate couldn't get past the kid until he got the next story section, which was the password. Which means you need your own individual arc. There are times you don't care about XP or rewards. And this arc is it for me. I want to be able to turn SUPER sidekicking off so I can have some 50 stomp all over content I'm forced to go through with all 144 of my characters. You know, you can't use your 3 day complete the mission with any portion of this arc or I would. They made this arc shortcut proof except for having someone too high on your team. And I hate that they are now removing this option too. |
Now, I haven't tried this in a long time and they could have changed it but before, once you have gotten the Midnighter's Badge you can get into the Midnighters Club.
Can someone tell me, has this been changed or was this a bug and they fixed it?
I think this may drive teaming down. I see they are trying to remove PLing but if a lvl 50 can set hes mishns to full team and he can take them why team all drops are his. Also if he needs help he could get 1 friend to help him if he lacks a little this just seems like it may kill teaming. Lastly SK/LK and exemp seems more fun really with TF/SF. I have been on TF/SF where you have a lower lvl example ITF lvl 50 but you get that friend lvl 45 and it makes it more of a challange and makes the game more fun. Well thats my coment do as you wish ill still play the game but teams can be hard to find ... other then AE <I believe it needs to be moved to only GV PI and RWZ> and its dull cause there is little fun in it when every one wants to be farming.
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Still working on the current live build. I don't think it's a bug: you're in a team, doing a mission, it's normal for the team to do it together and thus get access, even if they didn't do the arc themselves.
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Originally Posted by Lord_Ajax
Well unless they have changed it, only the mission holder needs to talk to the person and give the password. After they go in and get the Midnighter's Badge, everyone on the team gets it and can go in, no need to talk to the person to give the password.
Now, I haven't tried this in a long time and they could have changed it but before, once you have gotten the Midnighter's Badge you can get into the Midnighters Club. Can someone tell me, has this been changed or was this a bug and they fixed it? |
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My guess is that it'll be between GR, and the second paid expansion that takes us to Atlantis
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