Whips... coming soon to a dom near you?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-08-06 22:26 in Dominators
this argument is silly, in he real world most people dont use whips they also dont use broadswords nor shoot thorns out of their hands, whips are used a lot in comic books, and hellfire whips will, apparently be in the game. And it fits the theme of a dominator to have a whip, so hopefully we get it.
I'm for it as long as we get spiked chains and such along with regular whips.
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I hope doms get it or else we end up with more petless mastermind crap all over again. I cant wait till blasters/corrupters/defenders get dual pistols and pulse rifles because then petless masterminds can finally die off.
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
It's been talked about before: whip assault and chain control for the ultimate dominat(o)rix. Apparently it was something discussed by the devs back during CoV Beta, but they didn't have the ability to make the animations right.
Well BaB's IS working on whip animations now in relation to the new Demon Summoning set for MMs coming with GR. His twitter page talks about making it part of the upgrade, so i'm imagining it's the MM attack (like arrows for ninjas, pistols for thugs, etc). So what about doms? Who better to use a whip? |
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
I hope doms get it or else we end up with more petless mastermind crap all over again. I cant wait till blasters/corrupters/defenders get dual pistols and pulse rifles because then petless masterminds can finally die off.
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Well, if I was doing that, sure, I'd be doing something flawed. I was just pointing out the man who claimed whips are a really potent weapon IRL was wrong. |
Originally Posted by Cawshun
So am I, but I'll leave it with this statement.
You're trying to use real life examples to explain why you don't think something can work in a super hero game. Notice anything flawed? |
I then went on to talk about the game.
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Your refusal to believe that they are a potent real-life weapon is mere obstinacy. In fact, I think you don't even understand what a whip is and the difference between a weapon designed to scare cows and a weapon designed to kill people. Regardless of which of these or another explanation, it's not worth continuing in a back-and-forth in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
Well, if I was doing that, sure, I'd be doing something flawed. I was just pointing out the man who claimed whips are a really potent weapon IRL was wrong.
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I thought Zorro always used a sword.. he would cut a "Z" in the clothes.. or am I wrong here?
Anyway.. whips would be AWESOME! Anyone who says they don't belong in a hero villain game (when they have Assualt Rifle and Archery... wtf?) has obviously never heard of a game called Castlevania and has no clue what the last name "Belmont" is.
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Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
Well, if I was doing that, sure, I'd be doing something flawed. I was just pointing out the man who claimed whips are a really potent weapon IRL was wrong.
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Not the signature weapon of Indiana Jones.
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For chains this is what first came to my mind.
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First thing I think of when I hear Doms+Chains is Cenobites. Those Cenobites are classic Dominators.
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This is a silly arugment..when People can actually generate Ice Bolts and Create Fire Imps guys..it may be worthwhile..but until then, not so much.
All in all a "whips and chains" domi might be cool if the whips did energy or electric damage. Don't the weapons that "Dominatrix" and her minions use do electric damage. But more relistically I'd like to see Doms get a mixed assualt set of Dual Pistols and Martial Arts. Some hitting melee with respecful ranged damage and maybe a decent cone. Would be the perfect Gung-Fu dominator. I bet it be a popular set.
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Would that come with Gadget Control?
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Originally Posted by RiverOcean
But more relistically I'd like to see Doms get a mixed assualt set of Dual Pistols and Martial Arts. Some hitting melee with respecful ranged damage and maybe a decent cone. Would be the perfect Gung-Fu dominator. I bet it be a popular set.
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my thought was something like spawn, with his chains. the chains could wrap the enemeis up for the controls, and emanate from the player for assault moves. but conceptually we arent far from each other.
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
First thing I think of when I hear Doms+Chains is Cenobites. Those Cenobites are classic Dominators.
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This is a game where a bow and arrow is a weapon on par with an assault rifle.
And you're arguing over the effectiveness of a whip?
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Only when someone's trying to use its IRL potency as justification for its application. And I wouldn't say I'm arguing.
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Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
This is a game where a bow and arrow is a weapon on par with an assault rifle.
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Here is an example of Whip type weapons in it's full glory:
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
I can think of 3 real quick:
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Originally Posted by BackAlleyBrawler
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Spawn is a great example. Chains are just cool.
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
my thought was something like spawn, with his chains. the chains could wrap the enemeis up for the controls, and emanate from the player for assault moves. but conceptually we arent far from each other.
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
Spawn is a great example. Chains are just cool.
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Please buff Ice Control.
I couple of months ago I suggested a Whip Control powerset:
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I still think it could work, well except for the beast pet. The devs have said that won't happen. I wonder if they'd allow a bear on its hind legs, though. The basic form would still be humanoid.
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I wanted to present the troller version of Archery and Willpower: Whip Control! Quoting Wikipedia: Quote: Because of popularity of whips in film and television, people often want to learn to use the whip as a weapon, though in reality this is seldom practical. Whips when applied against a human adversary are of limited effectiveness, and are primarily psychological. The potential for the infliction of pain and the loud crack produced by long single-tailed whips popularly seen in cinema can scare less resolute opponents into fleeing. However, their ability to defeat an adversary usually stops there. Short, stiff whips, including crops, are capable of inflicting welts or painful stings, but typically no disabling injuries. Long, single-tailed whips can inflict deep cuts and can wrap around limbs or the neck, but this is extremely difficult even with training and not practical in most environments where there is not adequate space to throw the whip. So we have the perfect weapon for controlling instead of dealing damage. Of course, there's going to be some damaging powers in the set, seeing how these are superheroes and are graced by the Rule of Cool. The schtick of the set is going to be a short to medium range control powerset, based around fast activating powers that cause fear and confusion in the foes and diminish recharge as the enemy recovers from the surprise whipping. On to the powers: Level 1: Trip - You flick your whip at the foe's feet, making him trip and fall over, taking moderate smashing damage and having difficulties standing up. (Medium Ranged, Knockdown, Moderate Smash Dam, -Recharge) Level 1: Disarm - You can use your whip to knock your foe's weapon out of his hands, leaving him unable to act while he recovers from the shock. (Medium Ranged, Hold, -Recharge, Moderate Lethal Dam) Level 2: Flog - A series of well placed and painful flicks allow you to force a foe to fight for you. The reduced range makes it difficult to remain unseen while doing this, but it's compensated by the increased damage from the frenzied foe. (Medium Ranged, Foe Confuse, Foe +Dmg) Level 6: Whiplash - You lash out in full force with your whip, dealing damage to all enemies within a narrow cone with a chance to knock them down or make them loose their concentration. (Cone, High Lethal Damage, Knockdown, -Recharge) Level 8: Crack Whip - You crack your whip on the floor, the ensuing sonic boom will instill fear into the hearts of your foes. (Medium Ranged, Targetted AoE Fear) Level 12: Flagellation - In order to stand your ground in melee, you go into a defensive stance, swinging your whip in a circular weave around you that is sure to keep enemies at bay. (Toggle, PBAoE Minor Lethal Damage, Konckdon, -Recharge) Level 18: Disarming Sweep - You swing your whip around your head in a broad radius, disarming every enemy you hit as they duck for cover. (PBAoE Hold, -Recharge, Moderate Lethal Dam) Level 26: Cat O' Nine Tails - You go into a whipping frenzy, creating the illusion that your whip is in nine places at once while you hit your foes and pound the ground with loud cracks, leaving them afraid and disoriented. (Cone, Moderate Lethal Damage, AoE Fear, AoE Disorient) Level 32: Tamed Beast - Your experience taming the wild allow you to summon an animal companion (wolf/tiger/bear) you have trained to aid you in combat. The pet doesn't have notable resistances against the elements, but it has learned to see you as its only master and is thus highly resistant against control effects. (Summon Tamed Beat: Melee Heavy Damage Smashing/Lethal) As to the graphic depictions, well that's up to the devs, but the Indiana Jones bullwhip, a chain whip, a thorn whip and an energy whip are mandatory. |
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
First thing I think of when I hear Doms+Chains is Cenobites. Those Cenobites are classic Dominators.
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Those poor RIP!
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Should be noted that MMs are getting HELLFIRE Whip. I assume it will do lethal/fire damage and not be a vanilla whip, which would be very lame.
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I might get back into Doms if I get some Whip and Chain action...
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Originally Posted by HacknSlash
I don't think you are speaking of the same thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqMxcUokXQo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8OKQ...eature=related http://www.wle.com/products/WS104.html Not the signature weapon of Indiana Jones. |
Those are some pretty coreographed dances. Do you have a video showing us where someone is actually hitting anything with a steel whip? It looks like it might be painful to be smacked by one but will it kill you?
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You're trying to use real life examples to explain why you don't think something can work in a super hero game.
Notice anything flawed?