Whips... coming soon to a dom near you?

Found some interesting tidbits of info that help build the case that Whips will be coming to dominators sometime in the future:

1) old post by Statesman from CoV Beta when he was asking players about ideas for new powersets. His example for doms was whips. So back in 2005, it was on the whiteboard. It was some time after this I remember him or another dev posting that they'd wanted whips and chains, but the animation was too difficult or some such thing.

2) The Praetorian version of Ms. Liberty is.... yep, you know it, Dominatrix (what's that on your hip, girl?). Dominatrix's powers also happen to be grav control. Her minions carry... yep, energy whips (look at their list of powers above Dominatrix's entry). Oh, and what zone is coming out with Going Rogue? Yep, Praetoria.

3) The new MM demon summoning set will apparently use whips somewhere in the animations from what BaBs said on Twitter. Also, GR will introduce Desdemona as the demon summoning MM gone good. Take a look at her picture. If that's not someone who's into whips and chains, I don't know who is.

Necroing this thread for the obvious reasons.

Something like the whip attacks MMs are getting would make a killer assault set for doms and lead into a natural control set like chains.

Do eet nao, devs!

I'd have mixed feelings about the idea of a "whip control" set. It could be "Indiana Jones" cool and it is clearly in the source material for the game. Or, a whip in the hands of a scantily clad female, with the chest slider pushed all the way to the right, might resemble a completely different kind of source material that some find on the internet. Whip control animations would need to be done ... carefully to avoid having some interesting video clips uploaded online, with the "COX" descriptor attached.

I'd be more interested in shadow control, devices control, and dark illusion, ahead of whip control.

A whip attack set I can see happening, moreso than a control set. Whips themselves dont make particularly good weapons. The Demons one only gets away with it cos...y'know...it's burning hellfire?

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Dominators with whips....impure thoughts, IMPURE THOUGHTS!!!

Still reading thread, so don't flame me if my points are covered already.

Whips in the real world aren't dangerous? I find that statement hilarious. While it's true they can be used for non-lethal combat, they can equally be used for causing much damage.

A whip is flexible, thus hard to block or parry. And it will cut if your struck often enough or hard enough. They can break bone, tear muscle, and hurt like hell if the whip is 'cracked'. You know how much it can hurt when someone whipcracks a towel so the tip hits you sharply? Picture that being done with a thin strip of very flexible leather. Even if it barely hits you, getting whipcracked is painful. The person is likely to drop whatever their holding because of the pain. It can be used to entangle and trip. Or choke someone. And the stronger the wielder is, the more force they can get into the swing.

If the whip has multiple tips at the end, it's called a cat of nine tails. The ends are usually tipped with a barb or blade. The blades will wrap around the target, cutting them from all angles.

Shorter lengths with multiple ends are called a scourge. These tend to have glass, nails, and anything else the user feels would be fun to drive through, going the entire length of the ends. And the ends begin about half way down the length instead of a quarter of the way down. Scientists did some experiments to see how much damage a scourge does. Within 3 stokes skin was being flayed off the dummy. Afterwards a medical examiner looked at the damage. He deemed that it would have shredded muscle, cut the lungs, and bruised the heart easily. And several ribs would have been broken. Did I mention that the skin had almost been pealed off? The dummy was constructed to have the same resistance to damage as the human body.

Flails are nothing more then a wooden handle with a short multi-head whip attached. A morningstar also uses many of the same principles as a whip. But I guess whip type weapons aren't dangerous in the real world. Silly me.

Then you get into the world of superheroes. A couple marvel characters were already mentioned. There's also a hero character who creates energy whips. Can't remember the name of him, but I have an issue of the comic. For heroes, a whip would be ideal. You can subdue your foe without killing them, assuming your skilled enough. Using a gun or sword, your using a more lethal weapon. Whips can be controlled to do as much or little damage as you desire. More so then a gun.

For a villain, coat the whip with poison and/or razors and you have a very frightening weapon.

Bummer. Sometimes I wish dev's would look at an idea and say, "Now that would be cool! Let's do it!" Instead of "We could do 2 or 3 not so cool powersets instead, let's do that!" :/

Were completly drifting here... Lets get one thing straight first!

Kung-fu multi-sectioned whips are NOT the same in animation/fight styly as the bull whip! And the looks of the arts of the demon set suggests it is a hellfire bull whip we are talking about.

All animation must be from that set then. So all talk and comparison to the Chinese Kung-Fu whip is out of the question. Even though I love Kung-Fu.

Now... back to the Hellfire bullwhip! Whiplash, Blacklash, Catwoman, Indiana Jones, Zorro... These are some of the heroes we compaire to.

It would be a minor ranged damage set with some control. Even if the whip has hellfire/Energy/Acid effects.

If we look at the animation for seperate weapon skins we can fit in several there...

- Bullwhip (no effects)
- Bullwhip (fire effect)
- Bullwhip (energy effect)
- Bullwhip (steel)
- Old fashioned chain (Spawn, Ghostrider)

Adding new holds/control/attacks for the power slots that will now have the demon summoning will not happen though. Or at least... it hasn't happened before. The Dual Pistol set was completly redesigned and not a take-over from the mm set. The Laser rifle isn't done yet.

Castle already said in the scrapper thread about this that its very unlikely to happen because the time it took to do demon summoning whip with just 3 powers took a very long time to do, and whilst they now know what there up against, it would still take a long time to do the other 7 powers in the set.

He did add though, hes not saying it wont happen, its just unlikely.

Its not the first time a devs said its not going to happen and it actually does though, look at power customisation, the devs swore blind for months that it wasnt possible to do with the current engine (or something similar) and yet there were mods for it already out to colour energy powers, now its released to everyone.

Unlikely definately doesnt mean never, but i wouldnt hold my breath anytime soon.