Whips... coming soon to a dom near you?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-08-06 22:26 in Dominators
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Originally Posted by MsMisery
bite your tongue I have a whole succubi domination fantasy (build) that requires a bullwhip
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Lots of entertainment in this thread. LoL's all around.
wedgie < eye poke < fist to face < groin kick < whipped < frozen < shocked < burned < shot < nuked < mocked & pwned
I wonder if you could use that attack chain w/ temp powers?
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No, I don't. Do you trust National Geographic commentary? |
Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
Those are some pretty coreographed dances. Do you have a video showing us where someone is actually hitting anything with a steel whip? It looks like it might be painful to be smacked by one but will it kill you?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcPr-AP1Vss
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
Cenobite chains would be sweet. I can picture the next LSSL Heist to go down something like this.
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I think the guy who shot the video of being hit with the steel whip died before he could post it to YouTube
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There's a problem even present in that video.|
Originally Posted by HacknSlash
No, I don't. Do you trust National Geographic commentary?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcPr-AP1Vss |
FRAME-RATE!
But no, HnS has spoken. That video clearly states it's a secondary weapon to Swords and Spears, so we should get both of those first, then whips.
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I trust them when they say that the whips can break bones and fracture skulls. Those would be potentially lethal, I'm sure. There's just one problem with this terminology: those metal whips are more like flails than what most people (or what I'm convinced is "most people") think of when they think of "whips". Personally I think about the bullwhip. |
Originally Posted by HacknSlash
No, I don't. Do you trust National Geographic commentary?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcPr-AP1Vss |
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
I think the guy who shot the video of being hit with the steel whip died before he could post it to YouTube
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I would have imagined them to actually be used like rope-darts but they seem too short and heavy for that, so that's why I want a video of how they are used in combat and how they avoid the problems I mentioned above.
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They also mentioned that it was a favored weapon for assassination.
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Originally Posted by Delta_Strider
There's a problem even present in that video.
FRAME-RATE! But no, HnS has spoken. That video clearly states it's a secondary weapon to Swords and Spears, so we should get both of those first, then whips. |
The thing is...I can't really see Whips having a lot of AoE control (that lasts--maybe an AoE stun? Not sure if I'd want that anyway), nor do I see it fitting with the mixed range/melee of Dom secondaries (what do you do with the whip when the enemy is right in your face?).
It works fine for an MM pet set because there's...3 attacks, all ranged, and that's it.
However, depending on just how creative and non-gadget-y the new Pistols gets, I may reconsider my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Cawshun
They also mentioned that it was a favored weapon for assassination.
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Ye gods... Swords and Spears? Can you imagine the redraw on *that* set?
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Originally Posted by Delta_Strider
There's a problem even present in that video.
FRAME-RATE! But no, HnS has spoken. That video clearly states it's a secondary weapon to Swords and Spears, so we should get both of those first, then whips. |
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Anyone that has ever seen this type of blade in action on a Brush saw would probably agree that a whip (or steel whip in this case) could be a pretty devastating weapon.
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Something spinning at 10k+ rpm's can go through things like a hot knife through butter, even something no sharper than a butter knife (the blade shown is not sharp in the least). I have no idea what the head speed is on one of the whips, but the videos make it look like it is moving at a pretty good clip. They can probably inflict a lot of damage.
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Actually, if Spears were thrown with the off-hand(Like Valkyrie) it would be more a problem of slow animations than redraw, I would think.
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Originally Posted by HacknSlash
Ye gods... Swords and Spears? Can you imagine the redraw on *that* set?
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I find myself amused that pointing out that whip-armed forces do not currently represent the kind of threat gun-armed forces has apparently led to a tizzy of SCA Protectors to leap forth and uncommentingly poke my rep.
Either way, yes. Very fast things can be highly damaging, like whip tips. Then again, bullets are also pretty quick.
Still, the technology for whips - with a fixed weapon length - seems to not really be in the game. At least not in a way I'd consider aesthetically acceptable, and the knowledge it's going to be a 'fire lash' only further cements my concerns. Chances are, we're not going to see a 'whip' in that it's an object with a start and a finish and a middle, but rather an infinitely mutable length of fiery stuff.
Still, here's looking to be proven wrong. About animation, not about how it's only through governmental conspiracy that whips are kept from being used in wars in place of nuclear weapons.
One thing to think about when judging a whips effectiveness is its speed. That crack you hear when a whip is cracked? That's the sound of the whip moving faster than sound. Which means that it is going at comparable speeds to a low-speed bullet. Considering that a whip probably has more mass than a bullet...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDFu3GbG0X0
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Wait...but guns aren't melee weapons (not to mention there's gun all around in the game while whips are unique).
| Either way, yes. Very fast things can be highly damaging, like whip tips. Then again, bullets are also pretty quick. |
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When did you ever say "armed forces"? Stop making up excuses to avoid admiting you were wrong o.O And I wasn't taking pokes at your rep, I was just pointing out that what you were saying was incorrect. There is a difference.
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Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
I find myself amused that pointing out that whip-armed forces do not currently represent the kind of threat gun-armed forces has apparently led to a tizzy of SCA Protectors to leap forth and uncommentingly poke my rep.
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Well, at least you admitted you're a kid. And I have no need to sit at this "big kids'" table, I would much prefer to sit with my family and friends.
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Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
If you can't navigate a complicated sentence, you're not allowed to sit at the big kids' table.
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Meh, impale looks like it moves at about 25mph and is a piece of driftwood...ouch |
Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
I find myself amused that pointing out that whip-armed forces do not currently represent the kind of threat gun-armed forces has apparently led to a tizzy of SCA Protectors to leap forth and uncommentingly poke my rep.
Either way, yes. Very fast things can be highly damaging, like whip tips. Then again, bullets are also pretty quick. |
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Whips as damage set? Yes, I can see that coming. Since demon summoning MMs seem to get whip attacks along with their pets I consider that a test run. Thugs MMs got dual pistols and look what that will get us soon™.
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Originally Posted by Sitriel
Whips as damage set? Yes, I can see that coming. Since demon summoning MMs seem to get whip attacks along with their pets I consider that a test run. Thugs MMs got dual pistols and look what that will get us soon.
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Haven't any of y'all played mybrute? Whips would be the best freaking weapon in the game hehe.
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Yeah, I was thinking about this too. Whip/Chain Control + Whip Assault!!!
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Originally Posted by DarkCurrent
It's been talked about before: whip assault and chain control for the ultimate dominat(o)rix. Apparently it was something discussed by the devs back during CoV Beta, but they didn't have the ability to make the animations right.
Well BaB's IS working on whip animations now in relation to the new Demon Summoning set for MMs coming with GR. His twitter page talks about making it part of the upgrade, so i'm imagining it's the MM attack (like arrows for ninjas, pistols for thugs, etc). So what about doms? Who better to use a whip? |
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I guess there are just so many things i would rather see then whips and chains in the game that even the prospect of it being true is really underwhelming.