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Quote:This is a defeatist attitude.Originally Posted by MentalMaden
I'll put it this way. If they made these powers to work with combat powers we wouldn't have walk, coyote, magic carpet and hover board. We might have one of them if any. It's simply a matter of 'if you want powers that make you do this for travel, you are going to have to accept that you can't use them in combat due to developer resources.' Because while we're making these nifty new travel powers they are designing new content, SSA content, revamping zones, cranking out costume packs and new powersets and fixing bugs. They've prioritized and this is how things are. *shrugs* -
Quote:Dealing with something gets the game nowhere. And yes it is on me to think something that cost something would act as Ninja run. Just because you say it won't change does -not- mean it will not, the player base does not all think like you, and it does not think like myself (even though most of them can't pay the $15 to access the forums)Originally Posted by Ironblade
Because you knew how it worked before you paid for it. There was no bait-and-switch here. You knew how it worked and chose to pay for it. It's working as designed and as intended and it's not going to change. And, if you didn't know how it worked, then it's still on you. Only a fool buys something without knowing what he or she is buying.
Deal.
No idea how he missed all the explanations so I'm just gonna go with cluelessness.
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Quote:Then why give it the time of day?Originally Posted by Bullet Barrage
Oi. Arrogance and lack of relevant knowledge to give any reason. It burns.
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Quote:To my knowledge every movement power stops movement animations to play a power animation, though I can see that weapons would require a myriad (though the running animation doesn't chaNge it'S animation) of new animations, what I'm getting at is the why not? Why limit the players to ONLY non combat? You're repeating the same thing many have said: "it fluff" "Only for RP" "not necessary" " you want this done yesterday". I only want this worked on piece by piece but on the back burner. Though you are wrong it's not asking for the world, just a bit of diversity. I mean I can settle with walk (as it isn't a bought "fluff power) being the only one to no suppress powers, and I know there would be a wave of "well if walk doesn't why can't X" when you can respond to that with "Well X is one the back-burner" I'm glad I actually got an informed non snarky response, and honored a red name even bothered to post here. Simple request I would like a revamp of walk have that announced to be on the back burner, than you can move on to the others. Alot of players would be happy with this slow change, and it would allow more diversity amongst them.Originally Posted by Clockwork O1
It requires the modification of every animation currently existing in the game to work with these movement modes.
Furthermore, it requires every new animation created in the game going forward to be created with these additional movement modes in mind, increasing the number of animations needed for every new power set, emote, etc.
This is not a simple request, it is an exponential increase in time and work for every new animation that is put into the game. -
Quote:I never said it was broken, I merely mislabeled this thread, sadly there is no edit title just yet.Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
/signed to "it's not broken."
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Hm, seems everyone here is using the "time and money" excuse for the developers. If we apply this time and money excuse for everything: many things would be improved at all, and many missions would hand out unbalanced rewards. If we were to compromise on the time and money idea, changing Walk would require the least amount of time and money, let alone coyote taking less amount of time due to things already in the works.
It's amazing when most of these people think I want this change "NAO" but in reality I know kinks need to be worked out, the point of this was to request simply to put it on the "backburner".
I should have known better to come to the forums, but the all omnipotent developers pay more attention to this than the in-game support tab.
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Quote:I see, thank you for poviding a dev quote. I'll address this later today when I am not tired. <3Originally Posted by Tymers_Realm
Goodie!!!
After a little Searching (Walk in Keyword & BackAlleyBrawler in User), I found this:
For the most part, this falls under 'Standard Code Rant'. Now add that amount of time plus animations for the couple of new weapon stances added since this post (back in '08) times each Non-Com Travel Power. It just realistically isn't worth it.
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Quote:Hm true, But aloowing power to be used in walk/board/carpet, but not allow coyotes to use brawl would raise even more hell. And to the only affecting self, flying faster/becoming intangible requires ALOT of concentration by magic/mutation/science/natural standards, and for technology it would require most of your power-equipments power reserves. People think I ask for god more, or use ridiculous examples like "WOuld a coyote stand on it's ind legs and paw at the opponent" or "allowing the COyote to use brawl would be imbalanced" However you are raising good questions that allow me to think and work on this idea.Originally Posted by Hobbes
Dont mix in-game RP conceptual reasons and game mechanics, they are totally different.
Like I said the reason we cannot fight on the board / carpet is because the Devs would need to review all the animations and that's not happening. I dont even need to mention the coyote, it's not the same skeleton to begin with, forget using powers and the Devs cannot allow us to fight with even only some power on the board / carpet and only bite people to death while in coyote form, someone WILL [censored] about it, it's 100% guarantied.
The "only affecting self" was only a way to keep our toggles one while using the travel power, not because my character need to concentrate or whatever. "Only affecting self" means "cannot activate any other powers" if that actually works anyway. -
Quote:1. It's fun you continue to insult me, it proves alot of things.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Reading comprehension. You should get some and use it. Nowhere did I say you have no right to complain. What I have been refuting is your pathetic insistence that certain powers are broken when they in fact are working exactly as they were designed to.
If you are going to complain about game mechanics don't make up or twist the facts. When you do that people will call you on it just as they have done here.
And if you don't like people disagreeing with your, "complaints" as you call them, then you should send them directly to the devs via private message. When you post openly in the forums you have no authority to dictate who responds.
2. Complaining and suggesting are two different things, I was infact suggesting.
3. I said if you are high on the pedestal, why bother with this suggestion? And I have no idea what planet/how much you spent on the game for the developers to adknowledge you existance. Getting the "Thank you for X, we'll sednd it to the department"and never get a responce tends to force you to the frorum. I respec disagreement, but your's is condescending, this gains no respect from me let alone the world. The forum title does not give you the right to be so. We are done here, unless you can be more respectful/kind/informative. -
Quote:Aha! finally a second one who raises a good point, though lightning rod and spring attack cannot be activated when in flight, Foot stomp was covered earlier, You can hit people avove you, why not all around you? and with the lower that cause you to jump, rebalancing quickly isn't impossible, Lightning rod/shield charge teleports you and your clothing so why not the board along with it? Just because you character strikes a pose on a board does not mean they cannot return to it. As for coyote, I covered this: It could make sense to only give is a bate animation brawl, and walk as you become an animal. Now the "Only Efffecting self makes sense only for powers that require complete concentration like affterburner (you focus everything to fly fast)Originally Posted by Hobbes
100% personal opinion.
The difference between ninja run, beast run, Steam jump, etc... and the rocket board, flying carpet and the coyote transformation are that the first group does not alter your character's basic stance drastically. With any of them toggled your character simply stand straight up and then can go on to any combat animations.
On the other end, on the board and carpet your character keep the same pose and must do so because most powers animation start from a different one. And then there's the powers with more moving around like any of the jumps in martial art, spring attack, foot stomp, fault, the punch attack in electric melee, lightning rod, shield charge, etc... where our character prance around a lot. How do you animate this while stuck on a board? or while turned into a canine?
That's the problem with allowing combat while using the second group of travel powers, the Devs would need to revisit every single animation for every single power in the game and do so again for every single fancy travel powers. Quite an undertaking.
I honestly wish we could still keep our toggles on, and get into the "only affecting ourselves" stance like hibernation or phase shift do. I suppose there's some technical problem I dont see with this...
Yeah, why the hell cant we have more [censored] storage damnit... Edit the containers and multiply the capacity by 100 for Pete's sake. -
Quote:You're right, walk is priority one on this list of my; as it makes no sense to deny the use of powers only due to the fact you reduce your pace.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Oh so now you are trying to go back to the false argument that the powers in question are broken when in fact they aren't.
A tire with a leak is in need of repair because it isn't functioning as it was intended to. These powers are working exactly as intended. You simply don't like the way they were designed.
Now it is possible that in the future the devs may release new travel powers that allow the use of other powers while they are active, but the devs are not going to redesign the current ones.
The only thin that annoys me about you is this "It's working as intended so no one has the right to complain." Sire/madam, I have a right to complain as I am a paying customer, my input is just as good as yours. Why should -anyone- complain about -anything-. Your's is a tragic mentality to have, why get walked on like a common carpet if you have a voice.Now go smack down someone else's requests and feedback, I'm deathly tired of you repeating yourself. -
Quote:I shouldn't even respond to a dreg, but -seriously-? Angst? Childish? Pretty low to try to insult someone who is merely suggesting something. If I go back a page you start an argument with snowballs, and provide a link with very vague information. FOr someone so "Above" this topic you sure spend alot of time in it.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I know it causes you much angst and frustration to have your childish arguments refuted so easily with links and screenshots. Maybe you should think before posting statements that are ridiculously easy to tear apart.
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Quote:Indeed! If they want power supression on carpet/board/coyote/carpet FUN!Originally Posted by Remaugen
They could still work much better though. It would certainly be nice if at the very least your toggles restored when you turned the power off. Seriously though, Ninja Run and Beast Run and Steam Jump do not cause de-toggle, why should any other purchased travel power?
And if that's exactly what the Dev's intended. . . Well then that's kinda dumb in my opinion.
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Quote:I never said it was easy, I said that it could be group in with the inconvenient issues (map bug, tray clear, etc.), or set for a schedule to be worked on later. And I never mocked you, you -were- in fact the first to provide a well though out statement, however snarky refers to -how- you choose to say someone. Now, going "Oh well." and giving up allows for developers/designers/implementers to think they can push around paying customers.Originally Posted by DarkGob
I love when someone has been proven so completely and irrevocably wrong yet they insist on digging their heels in anyway.
Don't make statements about what should be "easy" to code. The devs have specifically stated that these powers work this way because of the amount of time that it would take to create new animations (and yes, they would be new animations). Beast/Ninja Run aren't the same because while they are animations themselves like the Flying Carpet and Hover Board, you don't maintain the positions when your powers animate. Instead you just play a different animation, then return to your previous animation. That won't work quite as well for an animation involving something that is meant to be another object (the board/carpet would just vanish while your power animates, then reappear when it's done), hence the requirement of a metric pantload of new animations. It has nothing to do with the devs' magical fantasyworld of "intent" where everyone shall play the game as They demand (and that is certainly an issue in some areas of the game), it's purely a matter of practicality.
You're wrong. Sorry. This is where you go "oh well" and let it die.
Oh but that's right, I'm just being "snarky", so it doesn't matter what I say, because it's impossible to be correct and derisively mock someone's ridiculously wrong opinions at the same time.
Now why should I and anyone else "just deal" with -anything- we pay for? That's like buying a tire that has a leak, and going "Welp, we'lll refill this later" I'm sorry if I unintentionally got on your bad side. -
Quote:Let's look at Beast Run, Ninja Run, Steam Pack, GvE semi jetpack, and the 30 day jetpack. The rules of nullification aren't applied to those, but under what these people are saying they should. Now let's go into a hypothetical and say they decided to do so.Originally Posted by GreenFIame
Agree most of what people said, there nothing wrong with these power, walk isn't a travel power, it for fun like Rp fun or just fooling around with friends.
Try to remove it form your tray so you don't click on it by mistake and kill yourself, I use to have a problem with Self Destruction.
Hover Broad is just for fun or a quick travel power to get to those places you can't get to with ss and other none flight powers. -
Quote:Hm, this picture provides no information on if the snowball had and object inside ( only contact with ground/surface/etc.), now let's apply this logic a game where even dominators can take a clip of bullets with no problem and pedestrians are immortal.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Well since you insisted on going there. Here's a link to a report on real life injuries caused by snowballs.
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/injury-bl...-neige07_e.pdf
The age and sex of the people injured by snowballs.
The cause of the injury.
The location of the injury.
and the nature of the injury suffered.
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Quote:Points:Originally Posted by Torroes_Prime
so wait, I'm confused about what you're saying.
You want Walk/Hoverboard (and I assume Flying Carpet and Cyote Travel as well) to be changed because clicking them shuts down other powers. Now There are two points I'm confused about. I'll outline them below:
1) You do not explain how you want these powers to be changed above or beyond the ability to use other powers while the previous mentioned powers are active. While this sounds to be a simple point, it leave considerable details unaddressed. I will go into more detail shortly.
2) When you say the inference seems to be that you are clicking the power in question when you intended to click a different power. So... why not just put the travel power on a different tray? You get ten of them after all.
Now back to point 1. I know it sounds simple to just say "Let me use [insert power name] while I'm walking/flying my carpet/running as a coyote/riding my hover board." But to what effect? If it's an attack power does it hit harder? Is it more likely to miss? How will it look?
Lets say I'm using the Cyote travel power and I go to use brawl. Does the Coyote jump up on it's hind legs and punch the target in question with it's paw? Some how that doesn't seem to be very effective.
Lets say I'm using hover board and I go to use Foot stomp. Well number one how do I use foot stomp when I'm in the air? and number two if I am using it, it would seem like I'd be foot stomping my board. So what happens when I do this?
Before I could put any support behind this request I would want to see these points addressed.
As for my counter point to this request: I do not see the benefits of changing a series of powers to access to over 580+ (I stopped counting after 580) other power because you do not wish to look at the power tray before clicking the power, or moving the problematic power to a different tray to avoid the problem all together, to be worth the investment of man-power on the part of Paragon Studios. There are other more vital problems to address in the game.
Some examples of these more vital problems I can think of:
- The glitch where the Holiday Powers clear your power tray
- The Tailor problem with Mace Mastery
- The Fog of war Resetting on various maps
I can appreciate your frustration at the event you have described, but I do not feel that the incident in question should require the man-power that you are asking for to correct it when there are already simple answers that you can undertake with out the Developers involvement.
1. I never said just I am having this issue many people do. I did not say Coyote needs to be changed but a kick or bit attack for a brawl attack would make sense. Foot Stomp: How do you use it even do damage to the knocked down adversaries, if it's from the knockdown how do you increase this, why don't knockback powers like gust do additional damage when enemies impact? And many metals are made in the CoX world to resist high pressure even to the degree super strength.
2. To make powers available to use/keep powers toggled, Coyote should not (the exception of walk/brawl) as you change yourself, though brawl could easily be changed into a bite attack.
To express equal want and need for a fix to the inconvenient problems at hand now, this could be grouped in with these as this is also inconvenient and people paid money for these "fluff powers" We already pay for incarnate, xp boosts, and Invention sets -
Quote:And to get to my response to character concepts, you've actually quoted that.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
The fact that some players try to use the powers in combat situations isn't relevant. The powers are still deliberately designed to prevent the use of all other powers.
None of the powers you are complaining about are required to play the game. They were only added to flesh out character concepts. They are purely fluff, just like the snowball power that does no damage.
And snowballs to my knowledge do no health damage in real life, even cartoon life. Adding an object for character concepts, and making them unable to be used when a character concept includes using in combat is oxymoronic. Furthermore making them not required, cost a fee, and making them stop all power use is even worse. -
Quote:Ah, thank you for the information. You are awarded the first to provide and actual informed debate badge. THis thread has been changed to be within the rules.Originally Posted by AcceleratorRay
Standard code rant. The movement powers are animations. Allowing other animations to play with them is most likely not a simple switch of a flag.
See that 'Forum Rules and Guidelines' link up at the top of the page? It includes -
Quote:I would think that Coyote would be the only "cosmetic" as it changes your model. But to address your thematic and RP rebuttal many people role play cocky/fearless characters that would gladly toy with their victim (walking), use a magic carpet for maneuverability in combat, or in fact need to used a jet pack/hover-board for moving around quickly while in combat (Example: Silver Surfer. With this area I would understand something that confined the entire body to restrict movement however the aforementioned do not. as I do role-play.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Actually this is the section of the forums where players argue either for or against a suggestion. Not everyone is going to agree with you.
You started off by suggesting with the title of your thread that there is something broken with the Walk/Hover Board powers when the truth of the matter is that these powers are working exactly as the devs designed them.
Furthermore if you haven't noticed they have added more travel powers that work the exact same way, and even more variations are in development or are soon to be released.
These are cosmetic/thematic/RP powers that grant players greater freedom in customizing their character concepts. They were never intended for use in combat. Thus the ability to use attacks or defenses were never coded into them. -
Quote:Thank you for your feedback, even though a tad on the snarky side. They -could- require new animations, though with hover-board and magic carpet you are standing on a flat surface and all powers use this and off the ground animations. Not much has to be changed. Now what rules state an idea and tally of people who agree with said idea are illegal?Originally Posted by DarkGob
Apart from not realizing that Walk and Hover Board are working as intended, and not realizing that Hover Board + powers would require dozens (hundreds?) of new animations, you have also posted a petition thread, which is very against forum rules.
This thread has everything! ...all wrong. -
Quote:This is why it acts as a petition, I'm -deeply sorry- I ever posted this on Suggestions and Ideas. But this is not the time for arguments, thank you for your feedback.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Pass on it all you like the devs aren't changing these powers just because you don't like how they work.
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Quote:I'll pass on that.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Both Walk and Rocket Board are working exactly as the devs intended. Nothing is broken. Get used to it.
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Currently want a fix to Walk/Hover-Board/Magic-Carpet:7
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We all have been annoyed by accidentally clicking walk to dropped out of the sky/detoggle our shields, or we just plan like using walk. You people seriously need to fix walk so we can use our powers with it. I mean if we can run/super speed/ninja run/fly/jump/super jump/run like a ninja throw a punch/shoot/heal/buff and land, then why can't we walk and use our powers? It doesn't seem to be one huge coding problem since we can fly without any trouble. If there is a canon reason, I'd -love- to hear it, and so would he rest of us!
This thread acts as a discussion thread. Players: Give me your informed rebuttals.
I mean come -on- developers, designers, implementers. Have you really gotten -this- lazy?
CIty of heroes was made to be a game of diversity, where we could customize how we wanted and play how we wanted, not a set of gloves that only fits one hand.