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ok... i'm going to be coming out big time with this post... so... here goes.....

RL i am a cross dresser. I do often experience some forms of biggotry in many forms... even on these boards... which i will come to...

I was the SG Leader presiding during the event Night Hornet spoke about. and i was shocked to say the least. the guy involved seemed mostly like an ok guy and classed him as a friend... though right when we first met he did question how, as a male RL i could play a female toon. I replied that as a seasoned P&P RPer i have no problem playing any gender of character and saw it as a challenge to play a character very different from my RL self. to which i got the responce "Oh, a ******!" I just laughed it off at the time and move on. after hearing his triade (which continued to me in PM after the event. i felt very disgusted that i could class this guy as a friend knowing, now, that if he knew the truth about me he would view me in exactly the same way.

Now, these views are not just limited to in game... i remember one of my first post way back when i first joined these forums there was a post in the suggestions thread asking for what we now know as the super tailor... e.g the ability to have different body shapes & heights for different cossie slots.... which was promptly shot down by many posters who didn't want the game to become "City of Trannies" this discussion also spilled over onto another suggestion post asking for mage type long robes for male toons.

Now though i don't think the CoX community as a whole shared these views, they did disuade me from posting for a very long time, hence my old (ish) creation date and low post count. I have never once thought about creating a "******" Toon in game and though i have already created my first super tailor specific toon, (young girl piloting a huge robot) and have an idea for another (male/female gestalt being)I still never will create one...

That being said, i don't think i would join a "******" SG if there was one avalible, not because i am not comfortable in myself, but because i come here for fun and don't want to have my fun spoiled by other small minded people. but if someone does want to create an L/G/B/T SG of any kind, i wish them all the best of luck and see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to!

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project Then it's time for them to get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it.

Someone create a YMCA SG as an experiment and see how that gets on.

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I see the [censored] pride marches on TV and within that group there are people that are acting or are dressed in such a way that they would get arrested on any other day this seems wrong to me if something's viewed as wrong it should be wrong regardless of who's doing it and when.

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If it is all as lewd and lascivious as you suggest, then surely The Army wouldnt attend as they certainly would not associate with it.

"British servicemen and women now march at [censored] Pride in uniform, all three services have become Stonewall diversity champions and a few months ago the head of the British Army, General Sir Richard Dannatt made history when he became the first army chief to address a Lesbian, [censored], Bi-sexual and Transgender conference. "Respect for others is not an optional extra," he said."

Oh man Im sorry and I know I should be taking this more seriously but you really made me laugh. Are you saying that nobody in the army is "lewd and lascivious"?

If it was as bad as all that it was probably because they were there.

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I see the [censored] pride marches on TV and within that group there are people that are acting or are dressed in such a way that they would get arrested on any other day this seems wrong to me if something's viewed as wrong it should be wrong regardless of who's doing it and when.

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If it is all as lewd and lascivious as you suggest, then surely The Army wouldnt attend as they certainly would not associate with it.

"British servicemen and women now march at [censored] Pride in uniform, all three services have become Stonewall diversity champions and a few months ago the head of the British Army, General Sir Richard Dannatt made history when he became the first army chief to address a Lesbian, [censored], Bi-sexual and Transgender conference. "Respect for others is not an optional extra," he said."

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Yes because the Army is well known to be a upstanding pillar of virtue?

The army officially attending has probably a lot to do with them trying to appear accepting of all

also take a look at this I guarantee if you were female and walked about London with no top on you would find your self being arrested and possibly charged.

So tell me wheres the equality in that? if its ok to march during a [censored] pride without a top on why not all the time?

In truth for many that take part in the pride marches its a excuse to dress up many would never go out in public dressed as they do during the march its just one big fancy dress party. Which don't get me wrong is not a bad thing every one should be able to blow of some steam and have a good time but that's all it is any deeper meaning to it has been lost long ago.

and speaking personally i find the entire thing disturbing in the same way i find the idea of positive discrimination disturbing it mite be "positive" but its still bigotry and discrimination and as long as people see these divides there's going to be problems.

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and speaking personally i find the entire thing disturbing in the same way i find the idea of positive discrimination disturbing it mite be "positive" but its still bigotry and discrimination and as long as people see these divides there's going to be problems.

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This is actually why I am still following this thread. To see if folk are open minded on both sides (every side) of the fence. In an ideal world there would be no more reason for g.a.y pride then straight pride as nobody would feel anyone is in need of championing.

Sadly though this isnt an ideal world and reading some of the accounts given in the thread I can understand why folk would feel the need to have visable support for what essentially only makes them a minority and not a good or bad person.

Whilst being homosexual doesnt necessarily prevent Hidden from being homophobic he didnt come accross to me as such. Given the strong views on this, as shown in the thread, I think he was right to warn people to be prepared and saying he personally wouldnt do it seems more as a personal view, which after all is what a forum is for, and not telling anyone not to do it.

Ill continue to have a friendly laugh at anyone g.a.y as much as anyone straight and myself for that matter but from what some folk have written here I will keep in mind that what is funny to one person can easily be very offencive to another.

Problem is it isnt always the person being offended who is in the right, they may just be overly defencive, so it does take everyone to be as understanding as possible.

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also take a look at this I guarantee if you were female and walked about London with no top on you would find your self being arrested and possibly charged.

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So lesbians arent female now?

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also take a look at this I guarantee if you were female and walked about London with no top on you would find your self being arrested and possibly charged.

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So lesbians arent female now?

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Is that not an assumption on your behalf that the women in the picture are lesbians?

*wondering when the link will be removed*

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also take a look at this I guarantee if you were female and walked about London with no top on you would find your self being arrested and possibly charged.

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So lesbians arent female now?

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Now i never said that tho to clarify all i meant was female regardless of sexual preference.

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also take a look at this I guarantee if you were female and walked about London with no top on you would find your self being arrested and possibly charged.

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So lesbians arent female now?

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Is that not an assumption on your behalf that the women in the picture are lesbians?

*wondering when the link will be removed*

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I suspect the link may disappear after the forums merge but here's a question. the picture is representative of what can be seen during any [censored] pride march a event that can be pretty much witnessed by any random member of the public unless they go out of there way to avoid it so it can be seen by minors (and if you've ever seen any of the footage or witnessed a march first hand you'll spot young children in the crowd)

So clearly it cant be offencive it is after all people just expressing them selves so would removing the link count as a form of discrimination? after all your suppressing it. and even tho these are privately run forums there still subject to anti discrimination laws.

Just a thought

Also could the censoring of [censored] be considered a form of discrimination?

Nah you can see Nipples anywhere and at any Mardi gras and in a lot of news papers, even city of heroes characters used to have nipples on lol.

But i do agree with the censoring of the word [censored] to change that would be a step forward I think

Only reason I can see to want to join a SG aimed at a certain sexual minority is if you're looking for a 'friend'. I mean its not like you'd try and join a SG full of bigots would you? And the idea of a SG is that you're in a group of friends.

If you want to meet like minded male (or females) you'd be better off looking elsewhere and join any SG, regardless of whether or not it prefers poufs.

No links with nudity, and no calling one another trolls please. Both are actionable on the new forums. We'll give this one a skip and call it getting to know one another.

Also we tend not to tolerate any of our members (whether they are gay, straight, transgendered, asexual, or hyper-intelligent chihuahuas) being discriminated against.

Oi! Why does Moderator_08 get to say Gay without being censored? No fair!

I can remember this topic coming up a couple of times and (in the other threads) we found that there was a certain level of homophobia in CoX (that acronym still makes me giggle - especially on this thread) that, although it was perceived to be lower than many other games, at the time it was still hurtful when it happened.

I can certainly see the need for an LGBT channel of communication in CoX - whether that's best served by a SG, a meeting under someone's statue or even a Global Channel (if ever those stupid channel limits are raised!), as long as it was straight-friendly. Like with any group there are situations, discussions and conversations that people outside the group may not understand, or may have a different interpretation of, or that someone might not feel comfortable discussing with someone who hasn't got first hand experience.

We did indeed used to have a couple of LGBT SGs, the previously mentioned Friends of Dorothy and I seem to remember a group call the Rainbow Force or Rainbow Alliance, something like that.

On the subject of the censorship of the word 'gay' - that's quite a simple argument, and now we have amalgamated forums it makes the argument stronger than it used to be. I want to make it clear that I disagree entirely with this argument and I made this clear in the thread where it was discussed, and I'm doing so again - it's a bad argument! but... In the US the term 'gay' is used as a derogatory term for something that (in particular the less erudite and more vocabularily - Made up words ftw! - challenged) people use.

Rather than educate it's easier to just stick the word on a ban list so that it can't be misused, so that's what was done. The argument that we had last time was whether we needed a separate ban list for the EU - so it's a moot point now. However it still annoys the bejesus out of me >:|

And as for Gay Prides - I'm speaking for myself here, living in the UK, but yes we need a day each year in which we can say, inequality still exists, I am not always safe walking around, and definitely not if I hope my partner's hand. And if I kiss him in the street!?!

So it's vital that the Gay community be able to stand up and say yes, we want equality, we want to be able to have the same rights and protections that heterosexuals have, I want to be able to "do something wonderful, give blood", I want to be able to get married (not "register my partnership"), I want to have the right to foster and adopt, not as a single man, but as part of a loving, strong, gay partnership who have already raised 2 kids.

Sorry, I've gone a bit political again! For those people who tuned out here's my conclusion:

LGBT SG/Channel/Meeting - good idea
Blocking the word gay - bad thing
LGBT Pride - good thing

Thanks!
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Edit - oooh! we get to say Gay too!

Join Murders Unlimited, we dont care what ya do in bed. Or how ya dress to do it.

In all honesty, what people get upto in their private life is... well, private. Yes, there's a few people that are 'out' in-game, but not once have I seen it made a glowing beacon of attention-seeking. Well, apart from one player on Defiant who pretty much BROADCASTED IN CAPS ABOUT HIS SEXUALITY. XD

That didn't last very long, funnily... :P

Honestly, I wouldn't worry about discrimination on these forums. Every time I see someone make an even implicitly bigoted comment, they get totally dogpiled. Seems the players are pretty progressive.

I'm a gay player and haven't felt the need to find a gay SG, though I tend to play in my own SG of just me and my BF, so I guess you could consider it a gay SG. >_>

Anyway, I'm always conscious that people could be using this game to 'come out' in before they do in real life. I don't agree with it though as in general, people in real life are far more accepting and people who are online behind anonymity can be far ruder. I hope these people, if they do exist, are aware of this.

REALLY don't see what someone's sexuality has got to do with the game, TBH. Such a thing is private and should be kept so.