well looking at those figures i cant see how much worst it can get anyway?
I am not flaming in the slightest, just putting my point of view across as, to be honest, some of your remarks previously and above, are offensive.
It is not up to you to decide if people can have a supergroup, [censored] or otherwise, no matter what your reasons. Though your earlier point about straight people not being able to join a g a y SG when there are hundreds of straight ones already was hysterical.
If I was in a [censored] supergroup and was flamed or abused, then I would deal with it, but to suggest that people should stay quiet and hide themselves is offensive.
I am sorry you feel got at, just because I can answer and argue your points, feel free to report me for free speech and talking about g-a-y things openly.
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"Though your earlier point about straight people not being able to join a g a y SG when there are hundreds of straight ones already"
THERE ARE NO STRAIGHT ONLY SUPERGROUPS. Okay, that's all. Onto point two.
Shazan, if you haven't figured it out by now. I am a homosexual. You are putting words in my mouth and I have openly apologized, not once, but TWICE, if my comments have offended anyone. So just stop. Now.
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I thought that was sort of related to the subject? 
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Infact, my final point before I stop reading this topic.
A straight only supergroup would be an outrage, and people would flame it to no end, screaming it was homophobic.
Why should a G ay only supergroup be treated any differently?
Answer me that Shazan, please.
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Yeah cos 2 ppl you have heard about in the Sunday sport are stereotypical of all Straight ppl...
..What town d'ya live in?
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Sorry, dont read it, t1ts aint my thing......
....but I apologise for hitting your intellectual level on the head as you must be an avid reader knowing what it contains......
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You are trolling, also someone could value that paper on comical value, nothing else. If you didn't know what it contains as an outgoing adult in the UK then you would be stupid. I think that to almost everyone in this section you're not coming off as too bright but I could be wrong. I doubt it but there is you in this section making me fall short of assuming everyone.
Edit: Oh and another thing I am completely immune to pics, why don't you see as many naked men in mags as you do women? Cos many women see a pic as a pic which doesn't do anything for them. I am like that, pics have no affect.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I can see most ppls points and get the statistical figures but the CoX community is not representative of other communities.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Infact, my final point before I stop reading this topic.
A straight only supergroup would be an outrage, and people would flame it to no end, screaming it was homophobic.
Why should a G ay only supergroup be treated any differently?
Answer me that Shazan, please.
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Can't you just call your SG something like the "Manlove Justice Force"?
It'd avoid the censor filter, but still give a big clue as to what it's membership was like 
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I can see most ppls points and get the statistical figures but the CoX community is not representative of other communities.
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Well I took part in various surveys and I play COX unless you can provide a COX only survey then that's all we got to work on. Clearly there is something wrong even here in COX with the points I have already posted. Plus COX is a good community but it still has a way to go the points I have raised would help.
If you would like anecdotal evidence then I can provide that too 
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I understand you and others are trying to be well meaning
but you are playing into the hands of homophobes. The only way to stop it is to be open and the [censored] community has had a lot of success that way.
As for straight only super groups of course there are because so few gays are willing to be out on line due to the homophobia its a circular argument.Just as there are only French speaking or over 25age super groups [censored] only super groups shouldn't intervene with anyone except of course bigots and who needs them?
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Yeah cos 2 ppl you have heard about in the Sunday sport are stereotypical of all Straight ppl...
..What town d'ya live in?
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Sorry, dont read it, t1ts aint my thing......
....but I apologise for hitting your intellectual level on the head as you must be an avid reader knowing what it contains......
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You are trolling, also someone could value that paper on comical value, nothing else. If you didn't know what it contains as an outgoing adult in the UK then you would be stupid. I think that to almost everyone in this section you're not coming off as too bright but I could be wrong. I doubt it but there is you in this section making me fall short of assuming everyone.
Edit: Oh and another thing I am completely immune to pics, why don't you see as many naked men in mags as you do women? Cos many women see a pic as a pic which doesn't do anything for them. I am like that, pics have no affect.
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I dont think shazan is thick at all ?
To hidden, sorry if I offended you, Psychabilly answered that one perfectly.
To Shannon, not even worth dignifying that with an answer.
To GG, you actually made me laugh with that one
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I didn't say anyone thought he was thick neither. But anyone making false assumptions and presenting them as fact isn't too bright in my book.
I tell ya what back on topic, the thing is for me, this is a game and nothing but the player matters. I think the next time someone asks me "A,S,L." I'll tell them to [Censored] off.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
psychabilly, I'm sorry. But you're comment that homosexuals are afraid of homophobia so won't join a supergroup is one of utter and complete bull.
I know several people (myself included) who have never been afraid of putting themselves out there, infact, I don't know of a single instance where someone hasn't joined a supergroup because they where afraid of homophobia.
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psychabilly, I'm sorry. But you're comment that homosexuals are afraid of homophobia so won't join a supergroup is one of utter and complete bull.
I know several people (myself included) who have never been afraid of putting themselves out there, infact, I don't know of a single instance where someone hasn't joined a supergroup because they where afraid of homophobia.
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I think the SG called "Homophobe Legion" has mostly straight members.
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I'm fairly sure that supergroup doesn't exist either.
And you never know, may be some homosexuals who are afraid of themselves!
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I know, I was only being silly
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I know an SG, I heard Super Union recruit several G/B/L Members, give a tell to one of their leaders. Think they are @Rent and @global handle.
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Their leaders even get into the swing of it by dressing up in real life. Really gotta admire their dedication to the game.
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psychabilly, I'm sorry. But you're comment that homosexuals are afraid of homophobia so won't join a supergroup is one of utter and complete bull.
I know several people (myself included) who have never been afraid of putting themselves out there, infact, I don't know of a single instance where someone hasn't joined a supergroup because they where afraid of homophobia.
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Yes that would be silly, maybe I didn't phrase it well, I mean it the other way around gays join straight super groups cos they are afraid to be in a [censored] one due to homophobia, which makes it look like there are no [censored] ppl at all. Of course there are many [censored] players some hidden some out to friends but none have the choice to be in an out sg.
Im not trying to say all [censored] ppl must be in [censored] sg if ppl wish to stay hidden for what ever reason then they can but gays wishing to be out there in the game have no choice at all. Is that fair when basically any other player group can with in the rules.
I have known an out player who wasn't allowed into a super group because he was [censored], and I said nothing as they thought I was straight and I didn't wish to be outed too as I was not ready to deal with the rejection in this MMO. But he was my friend. That is just one of many anecdotal events, as I have said some are good too but....
Things will change and they are already for some games and that can only be a good thing for the whole community.
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I didn't say anyone thought he was thick neither. But anyone making false assumptions and presenting them as fact isn't too bright in my book.
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Oh sorry I didn't realise that words like stupid, and isn't to bright cant be equated to think, learn something new ever day
Okay, that makes a lot more sense. And in fairness, you are right.
As for your friend, the person should have reported the incident to a GM, and sent chat logs. That kind of behavior is totally out of order and should not be aloud to happen.
Yes I agree yet the petition system itself is at fault. Firstly as a new player as I was then I had no idea how to use the petition system, secondly the very thing that I was trying to report needed words that are censored in game and here on the forums, and thirdly there are no points of reference for [censored] ppl in the game anyway and those that are, are from other players which can in reality be very negative ( add approbate anecdote here, or look at figures) ).
This isn't just a problem for COX but other games too.
anyway im beginning to repeat myself so will leave it, take what you will from it and I hope that those lurking in this thread too get an insight to some realities of being a [censored] gamer .
As one who was lurking on this thread and watching it unfold and since it now seems to have reached the point where its going over the same stuff ill stick in my views.
first of "what the hell" the original post was a pretty simple question yet has been turned into a 3 page exploration of being [censored](i refuse to stick spaces in a word that should not be censored) in video games.
There did used to be a few outwardly [censored] SGs when the population was larger but as far as i know they were not [censored] only and to be honest branding something [censored] only is just as bad as branding it strait only or black only or white only its still being bigoted.
It shouldn't make a blind bit of difference weather [censored] lesbian bisexual or strait such groupings have little impact on what kind of gamer/person you are.
Also the [censored] pride marches since someone brought them up annoy the hell out of me (I should mention that all marches annoy me) now before any one gets on there high horse I don't dislike them because there about [censored] pride i dislike them because they represent a level of inequality that people are happy to let exist I see the [censored] pride marches on TV and within that group there are people that are acting or are dressed in such a way that they would get arrested on any other day this seems wrong to me if something's viewed as wrong it should be wrong regardless of who's doing it and when. Also lets face it if they started having Strait pride marches the general public would be outraged as it would be viewed as homophobia
But back to the point no i don't think there are any current [censored] SGs and I would encourage you not to create one instead crate a SG that is welcoming and tolerant of all regardless of sexual preference.
What the Mess said, +1.
Exactly the answer I would write if I had the brains or willpower to write something of that length. So, good job.
Hmmm I read this thread and thought hard about whether I should post this, as this is an emotive subject, however since I detest prejudice in any form....
The reality is in any community there will always be some level of bigotry, for example whilst the SG Im in consists of members of every sexual preference all good players and good friends, there was recently an incident relating to this thread.
Firstly our SG welcomes any players regardless of race, religion, age or sexual determination as these bares no relation at all to the gamer or person. The SG usually runs with a very positive attitude with everyone respecting each other, in truth we have very few rules as it should be about having fun.
On this occasion a member went a bit crazy on the SG channel (I dont know for sure, but I suspect this was due to finding out a member is [censored]) and started saying things about "corrupting people" and other stuff that I couldnt possibly repeat here, indeed he inferred that men playing a superhero game running around in tights was a little abnormal. Ironic really, as if he felt like that why is he playing the game and it is only a GAME. In slight fairness the guy was a bit drunk and after some lengthy chats hes now left the SG by mutual consent, but I have to say I was shocked that this kind of behaviour still exists in this day and age. Thankfully I was offline at the time it happened otherwise my usual cool calm exterior might have been challenged. 
When I first starting playing coh I teamed up with a player, he was my first global friend and hes still my best mate in-game now. Hes [censored] and Im straight what does that say about him or me? Nothing, we are simply two friends playing a MMO!!!
My point is that MMOs can have a diverse playerbase and therefore a wide variety of views and ideas, so peoples views cant always be expected to match your own no matter how righteous you may feel there are just like RL. However in a game enviroment you would expect there to be accepted levels of behaviour, again just like RL.
Just to make an bad analogy, I have a toon called Lobster-Man, I made him look like a lobster, I do get some nice tells saying great cossie, however I cant go anywhere without players ribbing me all the time saying things like pass the butter, wheres the boiling water, ooo thermidor etc. Now Im not a lobster so I dont take offence and of course I realise its just a laugh, which Im happy to join in with, it's a comedy toon after all. But I wonder if I were to have the name of a g-a-y supergroup on my toon would the micky taking be so constant and so harmless or appropriate??
Back on topic. Would a G-A-Y supergroup be a good idea? Id think not as this would no doubt cause a stir for some people and no doubt some petitions as a result, but as others have said a Straight SG is a bad idea, or perhaps any other sg the excludes people on these type of grounds.
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Shazan, I'm making this clear to you now.
I -PERSONALLY- have no problem with anyones sexual preference, I am just making it obvious that some gamers WILL, and if a G-ay only supergroup where to be made, people in that supergroup will most likely be flamed because of it.
That is all! Now just STOP. This topic has gone off track more than I care to note.
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And if you care to stop flaming now, I am SORRY if I have offended anyone with my point of view. But seeing as that is all certain people are doing now, I will take any futher flaming and report it to moderators. So I am asking you nicely to stop.