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Oddly enough, I've intergrated fine. I am who I am and what I am is what I am, but that will never get in the way that I'm no different than others whom I'll meet on my journey through life. Anyone who has met me will tell you that fun and friendship comes first. If you want to know my sexuality/lifestyle then that's fine, but it's hardly an issue. If you want to decide not to like me because of it then that's their loss.
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Thanks for the welcome.
IMO, in this game, here and now, it's not a fight that needs to be faught. I've never seen any incidences of the GLBT community being picked on in this game, and if I ever DO, I'll report the scuzzbags immediately.
Congregating as a group in things like GLBT SG's, or even single sex or ethnic group SG's and the like is just segregating yourselves, in an environment where it just doesn't MATTER who you are. You could be teaming with Kim Jong Il and it just DOESN'T MATTER!
We all share a thing in common, we all like to play CoH. Let's just group together based on THAT and leave artificial boundries for the idiocy of the real world, yeah?
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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
IMO, in this game, here and now, it's not a fight that needs to be faught. I've never seen any incidences of the GLBT community being picked on in this game, and if I ever DO, I'll report the scuzzbags immediately.
Congregating as a group in things like GLBT SG's, or even single sex or ethnic group SG's and the like is just segregating yourselves, in an environment where it just doesn't MATTER who you are. You could be teaming with Kim Jong Il and it just DOESN'T MATTER! We all share a thing in common, we all like to play CoH. Let's just group together based on THAT and leave artificial boundries for the idiocy of the real world, yeah? |
But yes, less aggro, more playing together aye?
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Originally Posted by Wolfesbaine
I feel it's as private as one would like it to be, although shouting it from the rooftops feels more than tacky to me.
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Originally Posted by Myopic_Aardvark
I'm straight! I'm white! I'm male! Pay attention to me!
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I sure am! Now start up a straight, white , male SG! If you do can I join? |
Originally Posted by Myopic_Aardvark
I'm straight! I'm white! I'm male! Pay attention to me!
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Can I start a single white female SG?
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You sure can! If you do can I join?
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Originally Posted by Tygrrfang_EU
Can I start a single white female SG?
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Anyone is welcome ^_^ aslong as you don't have objections to stalking and bunny boiling
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Ummmm I do have a lvl 50 NB/NIJ stalker as for the bunny boiling I'm fine with it as long as their super cute and filled with rainbows.
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Originally Posted by Tygrrfang_EU
Anyone is welcome ^_^ aslong as you don't have objections to stalking and bunny boiling
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Don't stop there. Use /petition to petition the character. Don't forget to use the "Add Notes" or "Get global handle" feature to report the players global handle as well. Cut-and-paste the offensive comment strait into the petition report. Make sure to indicate the time w/ timezone when and server/side/channel where it occurred.|
Originally Posted by JeffVader
I also 'partly' agree with Hidden, but I just felt that he could have been more friendly whilst stating his point.
Besides, there's always gonna be idiots out there insulting people. If the problem ever occurs towards Fayth then he can easily use the global ignore feature |
It is against the EULA to harass other players via chat, etc. Hate-based harassment is not tolerated.
Players can have their accounts closed for abusive behavior toward other players.
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Its not really about being G-A-Y (someone marked me down for pouf... |
Originally Posted by Thirty_Seven
Of course I must point out, that if the above example said "...such a lucky girl..." it would be okay. And that is the whole point of wanting a gay-themed or gay-exclusive SG. So that you can say what straights say all the time without question and without even noticing how lucky they are. I lived for years having to choose my words and [diminutive cat]-foot around certain conversations and issues.
I dare people to go an entire day in a normal environment (like work or school) without once alluding to or making obvious the gender of their significant other. |
) though. Any SG that contains members who would take you to task for being who you are doesn't deserve your membership IMO.I'm who and what I am. I don't conform to the societal norms and anyone who has an issue with that can go <we interrupt this post for an important announcement>, with sugar on top.
You shouldn't need to join a 'G_ay' (c'mon why is it filtered? its not rude and its no more hurtful than many far worse terms that get used.... you, you chihuahua.) SG because you are not straight any more than people who are not white should have to join a none white SG. And its no more okay to be racist IMO.
Bottom (not a 'gai' reference honest guv') line is that whatever you do in game you can expect to meet idiots, if you go out of your way to be in their face about it you will meet more of them. (Bitter experience tells me this.)
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Originally Posted by LostNinja
You shouldn't need to join a 'G_ay' (c'mon why is it filtered? its not rude and its no more hurtful than many far worse terms that get used.... you, you chihuahua.) SG because you are not straight any more than people who are not white should have to join a none white SG.
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I suspect it may have been when the boards went online on Friday, but by Saturday afternoon it wasn't.
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First off: heterosexuality isn't flaunted. It exists - but that isn't flaunting it, in much the same way that a perceived lack of non-heterosexual relationships isn't neccesarily persecution or prejudice. |
Originally Posted by Solitaire_NA
Heterosexuality is flaunted in this game endlessly. From Mants and Sisters wedding (which was a huge event) to players saying "Wife/Husband agro" to Fusionettes and Faultlines heterosexual realtionship. Does it bother you that these heterosexual relationships are mentioned in game?
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Second: I'd maybe agree on Manti and Sis P's wedding if it had been done just as a plot development and hadn't been because of the RL marriage.
As it was, it was effectively an ingame celebration of a major devs wedding. So the dev is male and has a heterosexual relationship and so married a woman and that was mirrored in-game.
It strikes me as a shame that you seem to consider that as some sign of a pro-hetero/anti-gay stance in the game in-general.
Wouldn't it have been somehow worse if the devs felt that they needed to do a gay or lesbian marriage (or civil partnership or whatever it may be called in your locality) just to maintain some sort of balance? Positive discrimination is just as bad as negative in many ways, it assumes that the minority needs extra help just to be on an even footing...
Now if any of the devs are homosexual and do get married (or equivalent) then I've no problem with that being celebrated in game. To be honest I'd prefer any ingame celebrations for any form of relationship to only happen for the longer-term major devs (we don't want an in-game event everytime one of the 60 or so devs gets a new partner or splits up...).
The big thing there was that a major dev found a partner that they want to share their life with and made a public legal/moral commitment to them (i.e. got married) - the dev's sexuality matters not one bit.
Finally: players saying "Wife/Husband agro" is very different to all the other examples you give (which were dev-created/actioned). And the exact example you give is somewhat petty...
If my wife calls me I may say "brb a min - Mrs JD called". This isn't actually me trying to assert that I'm a married male - it's just me stating why I'm going afk a minute.
If you're being given aggro by your partner and need to log, should you just say "got to go - getting aggro" or "significant other aggro" or maybe "aggro from a person or persons that shall remain unidentified to you"??
As I say - I think that's a poor example that you used. It's a different case if someone is making a big deal of dropping in references to their partner or their relationship every 5 minutes just for the sake of it... But that's annoying whatever the sex/sexuality of the player and partner.
And as an aside: In conversation, I've known gay friends refer to their partner as 'the wife'. As have straight/bi friends referring to a female partner who, amazingly, may not actually be a legal wife.
Someone saying they're getting aggro from the wife doesn't mean that they actually have a wife or are even a male heterosexual in a marriage.
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This is the point that I feel it all comes down to. Here on the 'net, WHAT you are don't matter in the slightest. It's WHO you are that counts. You could be a guy or a girl, 10 years old or 100 years old, white, black, yellow, red, purple... Hell, you could be a 15-foot tall green tentacle monsters. I can't know. And frankly, I wouldn't care even if I did. What does it matter?|
Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
Congregating as a group in things like GLBT SG's, or even single sex or ethnic group SG's and the like is just segregating yourselves, in an environment where it just doesn't MATTER who you are. You could be teaming with Kim Jong Il and it just DOESN'T MATTER!
We all share a thing in common, we all like to play CoH. Let's just group together based on THAT and leave artificial boundries for the idiocy of the real world, yeah? |
Friends and family are always flabbergasted at how little I know about the people I've met online. "But what does he work?" "I don't know." "Where is he from?" "I didn't ask." "How old is he?" "He never said." Heck, a lot of the time I don't even know if I'm speaking with a man or a woman, but then what difference does it make? A cool person is a cool person. That's the only thing that matters.
That's also why I find "minority supergroups" to be an absurdity, I'm sorry to say this. Yes, I realise persecuted minorities like to stick together in real life, but this is a game replete with anonymity. If there is ANY place where even the most unusual individual can fit in, this is it. Why ruin it by parading you're a minority and seeking to seclude yourself from the majority?
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
This is the point that I feel it all comes down to. Here on the 'net, WHAT you are don't matter in the slightest. It's WHO you are that counts. You could be a guy or a girl, 10 years old or 100 years old, white, black, yellow, red, purple... Hell, you could be a 15-foot tall green tentacle monsters. I can't know. And frankly, I wouldn't care even if I did. What does it matter?
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Nearly 20 years later and people still seem to think it's important to make sure people do know (because you told them)...
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That's also why I find "minority supergroups" to be an absurdity, I'm sorry to say this. Yes, I realise persecuted minorities like to stick together in real life, but this is a game replete with anonymity. If there is ANY place where even the most unusual individual can fit in, this is it. Why ruin it by parading you're a minority and seeking to seclude yourself from the majority?
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Just need to be careful that they don't get offensive parody stereotypes.
But SGs based on geographic location/sexuality/religion/zoological origin/mulitiverse plane of origin/etc/etc are all good as long as no offense or discrimination against players is caused.
Of course discrimination against characters may be fine if in RP and all participants know it to be pure RP...
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You are using it out of its context. Twisting words. If I said "I climbed a tree and helped a cat down". I can't trust you not to turn it into me climbing a tree to help a bird down.
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Originally Posted by psychabilly
Waffle!!! you said stupid end of lol !!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet YOU bring into the thread in the first place about gay pride!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (hetrosexual pride)!!!! The irony is killing me lol |
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Inequality will always exist people are not all born the same (lets face it if we were life would be rather dull) and I'm all for people being able to express there selves if they so wish but what happens when other groups wish to express there selves? groups that would be considered wrong? surely they have the dame rights to free expression no matter how distasteful there views are.|
Originally Posted by efan78
And as for Gay Prides - I'm speaking for myself here, living in the UK, but yes we need a day each year in which we can say, inequality still exists, I am not always safe walking around, and definitely not if I hope my partner's hand. And if I kiss him in the street!?! |
Also I'm not sure where you live in the UK but if its anything like where i live with the number of inebriated morons on the street its not safe regardless of sexual preference hell i watched from my window as some moron decided to pick a fight with a lamp post because clearly it had moved in front of him so even inanimate objects are in danger
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Y'know, in RP, my main is a part alien, part feline hybrid who is not only openly lesbian, but is also polyamorous AND married to another woman. You couldn't really GET a bigger target for discrimination if you tried, yet the only time she's faced any prejudice in the game was in backstory I've had to add for story purposes, and even that wasn't particularly strong. I've just never ever seen any discrimination, either real or pretend, in CoH, at least on the EU side of things.|
Originally Posted by Judgement_Dave
But SGs based on geographic location/sexuality/religion/zoological origin/mulitiverse plane of origin/etc/etc are all good as long as no offense or discrimination against players is caused.
Of course discrimination against characters may be fine if in RP and all participants know it to be pure RP... |
Kinda leaves me wondering why people are talking about a problem which, in CoH at least, doesn't actually appear to exist.
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Ok Whats this "Husband/Wife" aggro cant say I've ever come across this term before.|
Originally Posted by Solitaire_NA
"Husband/Wife" agro is hardly part of the story. Would you object to having a gay wedding in game or many gay relationship as part of the canon? If not then you should have no problem with someone wanting to join a gay SG.
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As to a gay wedding or gay relation ship within the canon of the game i don't really care its not like it would be a new thing (well maybe for video games but i come from comic books and its been done there) of course it would have to make some kind of sense there was events that lead up to the manticore / sister wedding and i would expect similar for any gay partnership.
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Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
Kinda leaves me wondering why people are talking about a problem which, in CoH at least, doesn't actually appear to exist.
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Maybe in-game homophobia is more prevalent in some of the US servers than it is in the EU.
But then the US has always had extreme views and bigotry protected (to some extent) by freedom of speech and Europe had a much closer conflict with fascism... A gut feeling thinks that this may have something to do with a difference.
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The next door neighbour I used to have grew up gay, when he came out, no one cared and everyone said that they already knew. Anyway I think if you segregate you become part of the problem. I would hate to see an all white SG and I am white btw but I love people from wherever.
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Looking for groups you can be sure won't discriminate against you is fine. But, in general, I think it's a better idea to try to work alongside people of all different outlooks. Yes you're going to get burned, everyone does. Yes you may be more likely to, I won't debate that point.
But if you do find a group of people willing to accept you (and I think this game has MANY open minded people, in fact a higher percentage willing to accept all types than most games) then you'll not only be just as happy, but spread the message of acceptance AND find people willing to stand by you that would have left you alone before hand.
I have nothing against groups dependent on sexuality. Just as I have nothing against groups dependent on sex or musical taste. I just think it unfortunate we need to resort to such cosmetic differentials.
That said, good luck on your search, in the game and in life in general.
Friends are just enemies that haven't betrayed you yet.
[Before i enter this debate my stance is this; i am male, my best friend is gay and i guess because of that its no different in my views. He is your stereotypical gay queen ]
Personally i don't see what the big issue is for example as said i know several times a day i hear, GF home gotta go or GF awake etc and really... saying something like that wont make anyone know the difference (You could be male or female). Stating my same sex partner is home or something to that effect is broadcasting purely because of the words chosen.
The all gay SG? What i don't get is why people are so suggestive about not doing it for fear of bigotry/flame/abuse. That essentially is reverting back to years ago when being gay was a shameful thing. Then there's the argument that why should they, its only a game. Well to me i think well why shouldn't they? What possible direct harm could come from making an SG that consists of GLBT members?
Then you have isn't it like racist remarks, having all GLBT groups? No, its just like having themed SG's, or French SG's etc. Again i wouldn't expect segregation to take place if a straight person wished to join. I do think on that point... what reason does a straight person have for joining anyway?
Lets take this forum for example, in it we have several sections. The three major are english, french and german. How often do you use the french and german sections? Should you feel segregated because you are away from the french? i don't think so. You get on with you life regardless which is what i think most people should do and would do if someone wanted to create an openly gay SG. You know its there, you have no reason to be annoyed over it if its not going to effect you and therefore you ignore it naturally. (Unfortunately like the french and germans, XENOPHOBIA ALERT! )
Anyway, i say go for it. As long as the SG name isn't rude or breaches conduct. (for example: "WE LOVE COX" 
If gay SGs are harassed they have many tools in which to report the offenders. If you don't lilke their ******** I suggest not reading their posts.
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