g-a-y supergroup

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

Well said.

Well the direct harm is pretty obvious you could get some moron come along and start the abuse tho I'm sure they would be swiftly told where to go by the Mods.

now on to the racist remark or to be correct discriminatory argument while yes having a GLBT is some what similar to having a Themed group or language group its also not the same.

In the first instance themed groups are normal very specific in there make up and purpose and that theme normal exists only within the game things like a all tank SG or a all Defender SG and while yes a all tank SG mite discriminate against the other ATs there's nothing stopping the player in question rolling a tank and joining them also from personal experience the One AT SGs were more about the further development of the AT in question and they would freely team with others. The SG was simply there for them to discuss tatics and powers it was more like a hobby club than a true SG.

Then you have the theme X SGs the all robots, the all female, the all redeemed demons SGs again while on the surface they seem very much like the idea of the LGBT SG in that they create a connection for the group but that connections in game again there's nothing stopping a player rolling a character that matches the group even the all female group could be made up of male and female players they would just all have female toons.

finally the language groups this had the closest relation to the proposed LGBT group but there also not the same some people can speak multiple languages so its not a great leap to imagine they may join a predominantly french speaking SG or German speaking SG because they can understand whats going on and can interact with the members the grouping has most likely come about as a means of communication to allow people that speak the same the language to interact in the bigger game world.

so back to the idea of a LGBT you suggest that strait (stupid word but never mind) people could join it as well that being the case its no longer a LGBT group is it? the only way it could be a LGBT group is if only those of that persuasion were allowed to join (how would you know if they truly were anyways?) so that would be discrimination. you also ask
"what reason does a straight person have for joining anyway?"

What are you suggesting here that GLBT and S people have nothing in common? were all playing the same game maybe the player who just happens to be strait ends up on a team with a couple of the members of the GBLT team and they all get on the strait player notices that the the other members are part of the same SG and asks can he join?

should they not be able to invite him into there SG or dose the fact that he happens to have a different sexual preference from them mean that they should shun him?

Clarification here before you argue with me over something i can see that we both agree on. This should be done, if for no reason other than to provide a place for like-minded people to come together. I don't agree with segregation in any form, and i wouldn't expect this one to be any different.

Also, i joined an "All french" group on another MMO of mine because of the people and the language. It was still an all french group regardless of the fact that i was in it. (Think of it as a guest.)

Well, I don't know how you folks in the US handle it; but in the EU this is a total non-issue as people just do that anyway. No one bats an eye in the slightest. In fact, you could be dating a donkey and we wouldn't bat an eyelid.

Mostly fair points, but to my mind there is a significant difference between "segregation" as a result of a language barrier (I simply cannot communicate effectively with a French person in French), and segregation within a single community as a result of social choices.

I would not begrudge any group the right to create a SG that caters to their individual preferences - what I do question is why they feel it necessary to segregate themselves by actively excluding people who do not meet those preferences. An all-homosexual SG sends a message to non-homosexuals, which is "WE DO NOT WANT YOU". That may not be the intention, but that is the implication. Just as an all-white, or all-black group would be offensive to me. I want to meet people of all social, ethnic, social and economic backgrounds. I've made some good friends that way, including people that definitely do not fit the criteria I would normally choose for my own friends.

At the end of the day, I don't care if someone's homosexual, straight, white, black, asian, purple, polygamous, puritan or prostitute. I just care if they're a nice person or not, and I don't care if they're any of those things. But anyone that feels the need to shout about it strikes me as a bit pretentious, which is guaranteed to make them slide a little closer to "not nice" on my personal scale of their worth.

I once had someone quit my team and call me names, who I eventually had to ignore because I said I was TG*.

I have never hidden the fact and have been playing on and off since EU launch, and thats one person in that whole time. Moreover the guy was an ***** and I wasn't the only one who blocked him... he spent an evening in AP shortly before he left swearing and calling people names...

Wonder why he left...

*As in I wear gender inappropriate clothing and shave parts of my body that most people who I share a (birth) gender with don't.

IMO Its GLBT only if it discriminates against anyone who doesn't fit into that definition. Every other SG regardless of the name providing there is no active discrimination is IMO not.

I never knew Tainted Greek could cause that sort of reaction?

Thats not really true as there's stuff i talk to my gay friends about that i simply wouldn't bring up with some of my straight friends in case they found me being camp offensive for example, which has been the case in the past, plus sometimes i don't wanna tell straight ppl im gay cos i don't wanna go over all the stereotypical questions and perceived prejudices that some ppl have or the possibility of homophobic abuse on the EU servers.

As for an sg i really don't understand why me and 4 other gay guys cant have an sg together, we are friends and wanna be in a super group what's wrong with that? And even if the Devs said you cant do it, how the hell are they gonna prove that one of us isn't straight ?

Plus COX is as camp as a row of tents anyway lol. 1 more camp sg aint gonna make a lot of difference.

Go for it girl friend!!!!!!!!!

I shall say this simply so you can understand.

You said you were leaving the thread (which obviously didn't happen) as we were entering the realms of real life. YOU bought up the subject of Pride in the first place, so therefore you started the whole real life bit in the first place, though to be honest, quite why you are even posting here as the whole thread is about stuff that is happening in real and gaming life, is beyond me.

If you have nothing constructive to say, then maybe you should do what you suggested previously.

Bye Girlfriend

I think deliberate camp is cheating - it's way more funny if it's unintentional - like all these red-blooded males running around in spandex

And yet in common parlance we refer to gay marriage, even if it's not legally a marriage.

I actually said married (or equivalent) just as this is an international forum and the legal term (and indeed acknowledgement of same sex relationships) could vary greatly from state to state.

I dont think any one is saying dont get togeather with your mates and make a SG

Yet we have no idea if such unions can happen or not in Paragon, infact can NPC heroes be gay at all ? Cos i aint seen 1

How do you know? The sexuality of NPCs and contatcs isn't mentioned that often in their bios - quite a few signautre characters could be non-unhappy.

Could be, not are

And how do you know they're straight? Or have you made an assumption without facts?

And your evidence that they are gay is ?

None. I have no evidence on their sexual preference either way, nor did I ever claim to.

Synapse seems pretty flamboyant - Back Alley Brawler has an outfit that's a heck of a lot like the ones worn by the Supatrolls in those male only raves in Skyway City - Lord Recluse's father came from the same country as Bruno - open your eyes and see the cavalcade of camp right under your nose!