SS and WP


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I loved to play CoX for a long time now and i always loved the diversity of powers, but lately its starting to get dull.

95% of all brutes are SS/WP.
There is really no reason to roll other combos apart from SS/WP, since SS is the best st AND aoe damg primary and WP is by far the best seconadry.

ALL other primaries and secondaries suck compared to those 2.

I am no fan of nerfs but SS needed a nerf a long time ago, like reduced radius of FS and non stackable rage.

Nothing comes close to WP in survivability.
Granite tanks/brutes have to deal with - rech, - dmg and almost no run speed to compensate the lvl of survivability.

WP has even better survivability with NO downsides at all.

I know ppl dont like nerfs but its a question of balance and reason.

IMO those 2 sets need to be toned down in order to not make others set meaningless.


P.S: I got a SS/Wp too :-)


 

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Instead of toning down two good sets, why not improve the sets that aren't performing so well? Give them tweaks and additions to make them more attractive? WP has +Recovery, a nice range of resists, + regen, and is basically geared towards chewing through enemies as brutes should be. SS is a perfect partner to this, especially with Rage too.


 

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You're heavily exaggerating and even claiming downright false points here and there, though it's true that SS/WP (and SS and WP seperately) overperform when compared to other powersets. There's a thread on the Brute forums with more accurate information and numbers on the subject.

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Instead of toning down two good sets, why not improve the sets that aren't performing so well?

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Because Brutes are overpowered already. All of them, not just SS/WP. The other sets -are- performing well, SS and WP just perform even better to the point of being ridiculous.


 

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After playing an Elec melee / Shield Brute, i'm not so sure super strngth is the best aoe damage. Lightning Rod and Shield Charge are both awesome on their own, and together it's just crazy.


 

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Instead of toning down two good sets, why not improve the sets that aren't performing so well? Give them tweaks and additions to make them more attractive? WP has +Recovery, a nice range of resists, + regen, and is basically geared towards chewing through enemies as brutes should be. SS is a perfect partner to this, especially with Rage too.

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Hm let me think of it....

--Cause the other sets are just fine ?
--Its easier to nerf 2 sets than buff ALL others ?
--While brutes are meant to chew through enemies and all combos can do that fine solo and in teams, I DOUBT that specific combos like SS/WP are meant to run through 8 players spawns solo with ease.
--the game is already too easy, buffing all sets to SS/WP lvl would make it pathetic, challenge makes a game worth playing.

I know ppl dont want nerfs but even with nerfs this combo wont be gimp.

Atm ss/wp is a tankblastertroller and completely overpowered, everyone knows that, thats why everyone plays them.
They just want to admit it cause they fear losing their godmode.


 

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Elec is the best for AoE burst damage, but for damage over time SS beats it with Foot Stomp alone (with Rage active of course).


 

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I loved to play CoX for a long time now and i always loved the diversity of powers, but lately its starting to get dull.

95% of all brutes are SS/WP.
There is really no reason to roll other combos apart from SS/WP, since SS is the best st AND aoe damg primary and WP is by far the best seconadry.

ALL other primaries and secondaries suck compared to those 2.

I am no fan of nerfs but SS needed a nerf a long time ago, like reduced radius of FS and non stackable rage.

Nothing comes close to WP in survivability.
Granite tanks/brutes have to deal with - rech, - dmg and almost no run speed to compensate the lvl of survivability.

WP has even better survivability with NO downsides at all.

I know ppl dont like nerfs but its a question of balance and reason.

IMO those 2 sets need to be toned down in order to not make others set meaningless.


P.S: I got a SS/Wp too :-)

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Give up asking for nerfs. /unsigned especially when what your saying is wrong.


 

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Elec is the best for AoE burst damage, but for damage over time SS beats it with Foot Stomp alone (with Rage active of course).

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But with Build up and Shield Charge factored in?
Shield Charge is pretty much a second Lightning Rod.


 

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Give up asking for nerfs. /unsigned especially when what your saying is wrong.

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I am not wrong and you know it.....
Guess your just another one fearing your favorite sets are getting nerfed.


 

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Why nerf us? Why not buff the enemy....


 

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Why nerf us? Why not buff the enemy....

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Cause other sets would underperform even more compared to SS/WP then.


 

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Who cares, no one plays villains anyway.


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Well, villains need putting in thier place.


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Give up asking for nerfs. /unsigned especially when what your saying is wrong.

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I am not wrong and you know it.....
Guess your just another one fearing your favorite sets are getting nerfed.

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Why would i be fearing that? Because you asked for a nerf?

Actually im past caring what they nerf now, they ruined my favorite brute with the energy nerf .

I have practically every popular combo of brute, and i just think what your saying is wrong.

SS/WP is just an easy combo to play, if you know what your doing there are lots of good combo's.

Some just need a bit more attention when you play them.


 

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If they hit SS then the target will shift to FA (which is fairly silly damage on its own) and then move onto other sets.

Personally on a team I much prefer Elec for AoE damage cause at full furry its a whole group dead ever other group just from your work alone, sure you dont hit every group with your big burst of AoE, but the groups you do hit are gone. Soloing though SS and Fire are much better IMO.

My view on WP is that its the best defensive set for scrappers and brutes before SIOs. But once you get setted up on Inv or SR they become stupid in their own right. Takes more to influence WP in the same way. At least IMO


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Give up asking for nerfs. /unsigned especially when what your saying is wrong.

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I am not wrong and you know it.....
Guess your just another one fearing your favorite sets are getting nerfed.

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Why would i be fearing that? Because you asked for a nerf?

Actually im past caring what they nerf now, they ruined my favorite brute with the energy nerf .

I have practically every popular combo of brute, and i just think what your saying is wrong.

SS/WP is just an easy combo to play, if you know what your doing there are lots of good combo's.

Some just need a bit more attention when you play them.

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Sure there are other nice and good combos, and if you know how to play every combo is good, but that doesnt change the fact that SS/WP still is better if the players have the same skill.

Even without sets that combo performs better than most other combos with sets.


 

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Why nerf?

If players want to play that combo let them.

I use DB/WP in a scrapper and a Brute and /WP in a few more that is my choice. I also use other secondaries. I don't have a SS/WP because SS/ doesn't fit with any (so far) of my ideas for Alts.


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Why nerf?

If players want to play that combo let them.

I use DB/WP in a scrapper and a Brute and /WP in a few more that is my choice. I also use other secondaries. I don't have a SS/WP because SS/ doesn't fit with any (so far) of my ideas for Alts.

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Cause the devs are trying to balance the sets , thats why DM got buffed, and Et got nerfed (not sure why cause apart from PvP it wasnt overpowered).

So they try to balance yet leaving the most played and overpowered sets untouched.

Sure there will always be sets that are better than others and combos that are better, but imo not by that much better.

There shouldnt be any classes, combos or sets that are far superior to others ... in no mmorpg.


 

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The combination isn't seen so often because it is overpowered, it is seen together so often because the two sets are the most common superpowers in comic book collective conciousness. "But Khorak!", I hear you cry, and stop looking at my butt, "Invulnerability and Super Strength are the two most iconically common super powers!". WRONG, BUMFACE. Totally invulnerable heroes are rare, we want our icons to lose more claret than a fifty car pileup, we want visceral, we want struggle, we want.....Willpower. Oh they're tough enough to go through walls and chew bullets, but they're gonna have that dramatic head wound or inexplicable bleed from the mouth, generic random red patches like some sort of video game damage decal that appears when you're under 50% health, they're gonna win the fight by not being great big pansies, sucking it up and just soldiering on....instead of having a face so unbreakable they win Homer style by just getting wailed on until the foe are exhausted.

Fifty percent physical resist with Tough and a whole lotta guts, that's proper superhero.


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A point that people overlook is WP is the worst aggro holding ability of any defense set - which on a brute hurts damage, as well as the usefulness of the brute to the team.

And SS is pure smashing damge, which is resisted by many mobs.

SS/WP is fotm at the moment because people think it's better, but they are not taking all the factors into acount.


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