Changes to APPs/PPPs
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Posted on: 2008-09-27 13:25 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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The basic tack we took was "if the power is not being taken by the players, replace it with something that is." So, a number of formerly heroside only powers are now available on villainside, and a number of powers have been replaced by something we feel will be more useful in general.[/b]
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Be nice if that extends past the APPs - could mean that things like team tp/fly and whirlwind get looked at...
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The basic tack we took was "if the power is not being taken by the players, replace it with something that is." So, a number of formerly heroside only powers are now available on villainside, and a number of powers have been replaced by something we feel will be more useful in general.[/b]
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Be nice if that extends past the APPs - could mean that things like team tp/fly and whirlwind get looked at...
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Not to sound entirely dim but - what exactly are APPs and PPPs???
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Not to sound entirely dim but - what exactly are APPs and PPPs???
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APP - Ancillary Power Pools. Epics, in common parlance.
PPP - Patron Power Pools. Piles of mildly useless dross for associating with the paranoid morons Recluse call Lieutenants.
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Awesome.
I think.
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The basic tack we took was "if the power is not being taken by the players, replace it with something that is." So, a number of formerly heroside only powers are now available on villainside, and a number of powers have been replaced by something we feel will be more useful in general.[/b]
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Be nice if that extends past the APPs - could mean that things like team tp/fly and whirlwind get looked at...
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I reckon they will, Castle is going to change at least invuln passives because people dont pick them.
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Here's hoping there'll be more pool synergy options for other power sets, such as Fire Mastery for Scrappers, Psi Mastery for Blasters, so on and so forth.
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Golden-Phoenix - Lvl 50 Fire/Fire Tank
Oodja Nikabolokov - Lvl 50 SS/WP Brute
Baby-Phoenix - Lvl 50 Peacebringer
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could Chuck Norris?
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Here's hoping there'll be more pool synergy options for other power sets, such as Fire Mastery for Scrappers, Psi Mastery for Blasters, so on and so forth.
[/ QUOTE ]What about us Villains?
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Here's hoping there'll be more pool synergy options for other power sets, such as Fire Mastery for Scrappers, Psi Mastery for Blasters, so on and so forth.
[/ QUOTE ]What about us Villains?
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You got a problem there, owing to the thematic construction.
APPs are designed to fill in holes in the primary and secondary sets.
PPPs are supposed to fit in with the thematic construct of a patron. Doesn't make it easy to produce synergy unless they add more patrons.
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I suppose they could add in ones based on other Arachnos players, like Ice Mistral, Silver Mantis and such. But as Ravenswing said, there's a pretty big issue with things like Fire Mastery due to how the Patron system was set up.
Of course, they could always change it so Heroes got some kind of Patrons, Villains got Ancilleries, and the patron powers act as one given for 'free' at 41, 44, 47 and 49.
My take is that heroes and villains keep thier APPs/PPPs, but some of the powers are going to be swapped for different ones (and villains can respec thier patrons).
The powers that are likely to go in would be Power Boost, Power Build Up, and Focused Accuracy. The main bar to these is that they where too good in PvP, and they can now be nerfed for PvP only.
My main concern is which powers get the chop. I'm very happy with Mu Mastery on my dom and Mace Mastery on my Bane. I don't think I would want any powers removed (apart perhaps from Ball Lightening).
There seem to be quite widespread power changes in issue 13, so I wouldn't rule out changes to pools as well, but removing Group Fly, Group TP and Whirlwind would be sure to make some players unhappy.
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They could easily axe Brute pets (as long as this doesn't touch VEATs), Stalker snipes, and Mastermind cone attacks, for example.
Please please please drop that KB-bubble thing of Blasters force epic. Outside annoying people with it, its a plain useless power (with 6 mobs = no end left).
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They could easily axe Brute pets (as long as this doesn't touch VEATs), Stalker snipes, and Mastermind cone attacks, for example.
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Get your mitts off my executioner mace, Krieger! ¬¬
Seriously, I know not everyone likes them, but that *is* the problem. Personally I love the mace blast for my MM, cos it fits thematically and its a useful backup shot.
But yeah, interesting to see what happens. What I'd personally *love* is to have less reliance on the [censored] fitness pool ><
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"Zomg noo! Don't change the Stalker snipes because it gives a tactical advantage of almost 1-shotting a minion! YOU NARRFFF AVREYHRHFTING!"
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They could easily axe Brute pets (as long as this doesn't touch VEATs), Stalker snipes, and Mastermind cone attacks, for example.
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Leave my cones alone I need to shoot sark magic from my fingers it's something to do when my pets really dont need me
Wait, what pets, my brute has two AoEs, was there something else? Really? Wait was it an AoE? No? Ah.........
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
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"Zomg noo! Don't change the Stalker snipes because it gives a tactical advantage of almost 1-shotting a minion! YOU NARRFFF AVREYHRHFTING!"
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Aye, my personal opinion is the Stalker snipes would be fine if they did anything like decient PvE damage.
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Doing a bit of guesswork. Focused Accuracy is basically a Targeting Drone clone, and Targeting Drone would fit nicely in Mace Mastery. For parity, Brutes and Stalkers should get it, thematically it would also be nice for corruptors and MMs.
For Stalkers, Mace Beam would probably be the power to replace, unless it was buffed to sensible damage. For Brutes, Mace Blast or Summon Blaster. However, this has the complication that VEATs would be better of with the old version. For MMs, it could replace Mace Beam Volley.
Aproaching from the other direction, my guess would be the least popular patron powers are Spirit Shark Jaws, followed by School of Sharks. One of these could be a good choice to replace with Power Build Up on Corruptors and MMs.
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As for the PVP zones, yes, doing PVE content there will be harder.
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So does this mean the PvP Zones will now be emptier?
Maybe fewer people doing PvE in PvP zones.
I doubt that many powers will be affected though.
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Aproaching from the other direction, my guess would be the least popular patron powers are Spirit Shark Jaws.
[/ QUOTE ]Really? I figured anything with -Fly would at least be popular among the PvP crowd.
PVP POWERS ARE RUINING MY GAME EXPERIENCE IN A PVP ZONE!
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Aproaching from the other direction, my guess would be the least popular patron powers are Spirit Shark Jaws.
[/ QUOTE ]Really? I figured anything with -Fly would at least be popular among the PvP crowd.
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Well no, I'm not sure, I'm just going off my own obsevations and people's comments. It's total usage that has been datamined though, not PvP usage.
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Thought this post from Castle would interest people:
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What I'd like some clarity on is a statement by Castle where he says the powers will be just like they were in PVE, and in PVP enabled zones they will have a nerfed performance.
My question is if a given power that only buffs me gets a PVP nerf, does that mean when I go to a PVP Zone for PVE reasons (Shivans, Nukes, RV prestige hunting) that my powers are similarly nerfed?
This might be a serious issue with some folks who love their APPs.
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I'd love to make such a statement for you, but it'd be a lie. The changes for APPs/PPPs are more widespread.
The basic tack we took was "if the power is not being taken by the players, replace it with something that is." So, a number of formerly heroside only powers are now available on villainside, and a number of powers have been replaced by something we feel will be more useful in general.
I'll be very interested in seeing the reactions to the new lists in Beta.
As for the PVP zones, yes, doing PVE content there will be harder.
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