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In what way are Night Widows like doms?
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Maybe he meant Fortunata?
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In what way are Banes like MMs?
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Maybe he meant Crabs?
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In what way is a perma-able +40% hp a dismissable panic button?
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Maybe he meant... uh... nevermind.
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No, I disagree with you when you are wrong.
In what way are Night Widows like doms?
In what way are Banes like MMs?
In what way is a perma-able +40% hp a dismissable panic button?
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Domi style. Where do i say they get mez-abilities? Style as in ranged/melee, low HP, moderate/average defence, 1 tree does have mez-abilities. They could tend to stalkers, too. If that is what you prefer to hear. (however stalker has no wide range of range attacks).
Style, way of playing. Not their abilities you can play with.
Bane, i clearly say a defender with limited MM abilities. It can summon some pets, can debuff some, immobilise some, do bitty dmg, team support (leadership). Aka, the weak bitty-of-all.
The dull pain, i say health-panic button. Health button if perma, panic button in moments needed. Yet, i say: dull pain is not a heal. It is NOT a heal. People say spider got a heal, it isnt.
And yes, only part where you might be right: i might mixed up the names. However, it still aply to both sets (spider and widow)
If you prefer picking selective words out of my post, fine. Yet dont try to make into 'you are wrong, i am right' story.
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I don't think praf's trying to pick apart everything you say out of spite, but still, it's like comparing apples and oranges. The AT's are ALL unique in someway, so why the hell compare them? Just find something that makes bane spiders work i say.
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I don't think praf's trying to pick apart everything you say out of spite, but still, it's like comparing apples and oranges. The AT's are ALL unique in someway, so why the hell compare them? Just find something that makes bane spiders work i say.
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Isn't the complaint about Banes "they're weak compared to other ATs"?
Actually, my complaint was they're weak, and can't survive a confrontation with anything boss+.
As long as i can solo, and solo easily on relentless, and have good (great) damage, i don't mind how they compare to anything, that's when crying about pvp comes in, but that's a different case.
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Domi style. Where do i say they get mez-abilities? Style as in ranged/melee, low HP, moderate/average defence,
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Not picking your comments apart but Night Widows have the best defense in the game bar none including tanks
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Domi style. Where do i say they get mez-abilities?
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Given that mez is a dominators primary ability, it would be difficult play like a dominator with no mez.
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Style as in ranged/melee, low HP, moderate/average defence
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Would call that a blapper, or possibly a human form PB.
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Style, way of playing. Not their abilities you can play with.
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You can't play an AT in a style that requires abilties they don't possess.
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Bane, i clearly say a defender with limited MM abilities. It can summon some pets,
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Does that make controllers and dominators MMs too? What about Corruptors, Stalkers and Brutes, since they can also summon pets.
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can debuff some
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One minor debuff power.
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immobilise some
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A mez ability. Does that make them dominators too?
Edit: Actually, they don't get any immobs anyway, that is a wolf spider power, which incurs a significant penalty if you take
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do bitty dmg
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Damage is good, way ahead of a defender.
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Yet, i say: dull pain is not a heal. It is NOT a heal.
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Serum: +428.359 Heal
Dull Pain +749.628 Heal
(at level 50, both enhanceble with heal enhancements)
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You are obviously using some definition of a heal that is completly different to mine.
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If you prefer picking selective words out of my post, fine.
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I was responding to the whole of your post, which was wrong in it's entirety:
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Did devs ever stated or explained what the 'role' of a Bane will be? Kheldians were pretty straight forward (jack of all trades), widows tend to go domi style.
Bane more sounds like a defender with limited MM abilities.
edit: btw, i dont see a dullpain power as heal. Just a health-panic button, so i dont see it as 'valid' defense point.
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Well, apart from the italisised part, which is a question and an opinion.
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I said:
Domi style. Where do i say they get mez-abilities? Style as in ranged/melee, low HP, moderate/average defence,
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Not picking your comments apart but Night Widows have the best defense in the game bar none including tanks
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Watch it, you are obviously hounding him, and will get flamed!
Or is it just me who gets flamed when I point out that what someone has said is incorrect?
I really should do something about this signature.
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Actually, my complaint was they're weak, and can't survive a confrontation with anything boss+.
As long as i can solo, and solo easily on relentless, and have good (great) damage, i don't mind how they compare to anything, that's when crying about pvp comes in, but that's a different case.
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Can all ATs solo at the highest difficulty?
AFAIK, bosses are meant to be tough for most ATs... not that they are, but they're supposed to be 
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AFAIK, bosses are meant to be tough for most ATs... not that they are, but they're supposed to be
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Certainly the case with Crab Spiders, so there's some consistency there. I just find it odd how he wants to solo on the highest difficulty possible before saying the class is decent. By that criteria very few ATs are up to any sort of standard.
I agree with Syracuse on that one, but he can't see me!
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AFAIK, bosses are meant to be tough for most ATs... not that they are, but they're supposed to be
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Certainly the case with Crab Spiders, so there's some consistency there. I just find it odd how he wants to solo on the highest difficulty possible before saying the class is decent. By that criteria very few ATs are up to any sort of standard.
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Actually every AT is perfectly capable of running at highest level difficulty (possibly with the exception of khelds 
), every AT has some real gem sets. Every powerset is another matter
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lol, stalkobot i agree with u once again, if ur AT CAN'T solo relentless, ur doing something wrong, Or ur a kheldian, or the devs borked something. As far as every powerset goes, well i HOPE bane and crabs can solo relentless. ^^ I have yet to try, so i'm in no position to judge.
And to the guy a few posts aove, i bestow upon to you these words: "Jack of all trades and Master of nothing."
I don't want an AT that can summon robots, debuff, mez, dominate and stalk.
Things that do a very generic job are boring. Imagine world of warcraft without archers, paladins, warriors etc. And before the idiots start saying 'this isn't WoW' consider the point i'm making.
Things are boring when they generalise, people play their AT and powersets for a very specific purpose, having an AT that can do amazing stuff no other AT can is what's fun, and why we play the game.
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Or ur a kheldian
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Keldians can quite easily solo on the highest difficulty setting. Light Form and EBs are toast.
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Watch it, you are obviously hounding him, and will get flamed!
Or is it just me who gets flamed when I point out that what someone has said is incorrect?
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Just you.
'nuf said.
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Actually every AT is perfectly capable of running at highest level difficulty (possibly with the exception of khelds ), every AT has some real gem sets. Every powerset is another matter
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Therefore there's no problem, right? The Arachnos Soldier can solo on the highest difficulty, but the Bane powerset can't. Going by those standards, things are pretty consistent.
I'm pretty sure a bane can solo on the highest difficulty too. They might go though more insps than some other ATs and powersets is all.
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You shouldn't need to overload on inspis or use them at all to solo on relentless. They should be able to just kill 
You realise relentles is suppose to be hard, right?
If they couldn't solo on villainous, you'd have a point, but not being to solo on relentless is just tough cookies / bad building / bad playing / too much sauce (delete as applicable)
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EAT's not being able to solo on relentless is just bad design on the dev's part.
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EAT's not being able to solo on relentless is just bad design on the dev's part.
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No, it's hilariously OTT expectations on the playerbase's part.
Soloing effortlessly on the highest difficulty without buffs or inspirations? lawls. You've really misunderstood the whole idea behind epic archetypes in CoX.
A lot of chars can't solo on Relentless. Does this mean my Grav/TA is broken too?
(also I assume you're including the AVs that Relentless gives you instead of EBs, or are we cherry-picking?)
I don't care about other AT's at the moment, and if a certain AT/combo of powersets can't solo on relentless, i won't play it simply because i don't want to have to play an AT that struggles greatly on relenetless.
I don't need another reason to get stressed out, that's why i love the ownage of my nrg/wp brute. Builds that can't solo on relentless are by NO means 'broken' and i'm not saying they are. I'm not saying banes are broken either. I'm just saying if a build is good it can solo on relentles.
Granted if someone took the WORST possible AT and worse possible buid for it, but slotted it really well and achieved the potential it could, good going on them.
But i want to have a powerful char.
No, I disagree with you when you are wrong.
In what way are Night Widows like doms?
In what way are Banes like MMs?
In what way is a perma-able +40% hp a dismissable panic button?
I really should do something about this signature.