It's fine saying that, but has there been any official comment on the subject? I'd agree with them getting stealth and all, but you never know with this game...
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You expeciting the devs to come right out and say "yes, we deliberatly designed the bane spiders to be worse at everything than the other SoAs"?!
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No, but "This AT is better suited to soloing" such as the Scrapper description would be helpful.
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It's not better suited for soloing.
It's not better suited for teaming.
It's not better suited for melee.
It's not better suited for range.
It's not better suited for PvP.
It's not better suited for PvE.
It's clear the devs had no specific role in mind for banes.
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It's not better suited for soloing.
It's not better suited for teaming.
It's not better suited for melee.
It's not better suited for range.
It's not better suited for PvP.
It's not better suited for PvE.
It's clear the devs had no specific role in mind for banes.
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you really do say the same thing over and over mate you dont think outside the box you dont consider other ppls oppinion you just regergitate the same old thing
and epic ATs aint supposed to have a specific role indeed specific roles are only in Heroes villains aint even got specific roles as all can solo
dominaters easy to solo
stalkers just as easy
brutes just as easy
corrupters just as easy
mastermind just as easy
yea and i am willing to bet... Banes just as easy
(try soloing with certain hero AT and powerset combinations!)
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Boxes exist for a reason. If an AT isn't good for anything people wont team with them, people won't play them, and in effect the devs wasted there time creating them. Ok. Go on. Think outside the box. What can a bane spider do better than one of the other SoAs? Why would anyone want one on thier team when they could have one of the other SoAs?
If you actually read what I said, you would know that I said any AT can easily solo in CoX, including all the hero ones. I know because I have played most of them. You clearly are failing to understand the point. Banes can solo quite well, just not as well as the other SoA. They can team quite well, just not as well as the other SoA.
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It's not better suited for soloing.
It's not better suited for teaming.
It's not better suited for melee.
It's not better suited for range.
It's not better suited for PvP.
It's not better suited for PvE.
It's clear the devs had no specific role in mind for banes.
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you really do say the same thing over and over mate you dont think outside the box you dont consider other ppls oppinion you just regergitate the same old thing
and epic ATs aint supposed to have a specific role indeed specific roles are only in Heroes villains aint even got specific roles as all can solo
dominaters easy to solo
stalkers just as easy
brutes just as easy
corrupters just as easy
mastermind just as easy
yea and i am willing to bet... Banes just as easy
(try soloing with certain hero AT and powerset combinations!)
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what hes saying in true NOW, banes are lacklustre, its not a case of "thinking outside the box" as creataive thinking can make the crappest powersets function reasonably but the simple fact is they shouldnt HAVE to be played in this way.
Villain ATs are not designed to be an elitist "advanced" AT, they are supposed to be there for all and everyone to enjoy regardless of playstyle from the hardcore min/maxer to my mum who plays and whos slotting makes me cry. Heres the truth of the matter, my mum should be able to pick up and play the bane without carefull planning or sneaky stategies.
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LOL, I don't know about your mother, but mine would find it difficult to turn the computer on, never mind play CoX!
I've no objection to epic ATs being a little harder, after all, they are supposed to be for experienced players. However it's not very good when a bane spider has to use all thier skills and tricks and years of experience just to keep up with a Night Widow played by Stalk_obot's mum.
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So, the answer to my question was no. Fair enough.
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So, the answer to my question was no. Fair enough.
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No, all VEATs solo as well as each other
Or, there's no official stance on the SoAs as to their "roles".
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Or, there's no official stance on the SoAs as to their "roles".
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Fact epic ATs ARN'T supposed to have specific roles
That isn't a fact, it's an opinion. Unless, of course, you have a redname post to that respect? I'd agree that Kheldians are a jack-of-all-trades master-of-none AT, but I'm unsure about SoAs. Time will tell I suppose.
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I only see specific roles depending on how you build it.
The word "Protector" springs to mind with Maneuvers and with Night Widows Vengeance; as say other VEATs drop (die); the teams overall def may also drop; so worth taking to some through thought of the team or worth taking to not have lowered defense yourself. As a Night Widow: Vengeance + Maneuvers = Elude. Then you have Assault and Leadership which are team friendly, not always as convenient or as likely to be needed as much as maneuvers imo. Surveillance: Not knocking that ever. If you buff the team then you will most likely bring something to a team.
If you wish to solo thats a different kettle of fish. I made a soloable character on a planner. It had tough and weave. Def got high enough 35% - 42% iirc (I didn't save it). Because you don't achieve great hp I fitted in Aid self. Placate to aid self should work then crit after. Res wise about 28% iirc, smash and lethal. Poor everywhere else and therefore unless burst damage or something I don't worry about deems otherwise not a great PvP build but I do see all VEATs as limited in PvP alone.
In fitting those powers in, I stuck with Mace melee attacks and maybe 1 ranged for chain filling. I dropped long recharge ones like reinforcements. Its great but they won't be about all the time so I must not rely on them. No haste involved as I am not thinking of relying on long recharges and def based sets don't get -rechg'd as much I would sure as hell imagine compared to res sets anyway.
Like anything when you make yourself stronger in one aspect your weaker in another so whatever priorities conclude, you may have to forget some much desired power.
I know of one person who has been "omg this is poo", leveled up, respeced into a new build and become a lot happier.
PS did enjoy that link.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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So, the answer to my question was no. Fair enough.
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No, all VEATs solo as well as each other
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Thats not true, speaking as a closed beta tester with lvl 50 bane, crab, night widow and fortunata played in SO and in hardcore IO specs I can say with some authority that they do NOT all solo as well as each other.
can they solo? yes, any and all ATs and powersets can, how well is a different matter
It goes like this, Night widows, crabs, fortunatas..........then banes. Banes are not junk, they are however significantly behind the curve of the other 3 paths due to the recent placate nerf which wasnt replaced by anything else, they were not ahead of the curve even with the 20 second placate but it certainly pulled them up to the other 3.
Banes are fun, I love mine, they have some very nice powers, they have a great deal of potential but something IS missing at the moment. The other 3 are all different but about equal-ish, banes are "ehhhh, nearly there" and my moneys on a change coming up sometime soon.
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You all got a level boost I take it?
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
my bane didn't, havn't logged it in 3 days would that explain why?
No lol, he has a US account. We don't actually get the same benefits or bang for buck. Not worried though. I am sure once knowing what its like to have a lvl50 of them, sometimes the cat would of been killed and only sentimentality could bring them back.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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yep we got lots of them, the lvl 50 one came the morning before open beta if I remember correctly
To clarify the bumps were not just 1-50, they were incremental so all aspects of leveling was taken into account
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No lol, he has a US account. We don't actually get the same benefits or bang for buck. Not worried though. I am sure once knowing what its like to have a lvl50 of them, sometimes the cat would of been killed and only sentimentality could bring them back.
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thats a semi fair point, if I had done 1-50 per veat branch I doubt I would touch another one ever, having sampled them all at various levels I will be making at least one of each.
They are all a lot of fun, even banes which I do contest are not strong enough in their current incarnation. In terms of my personal enjoyment banes are second behind night widows and its fortunatas that lag at the back. (but banes still need a buff)
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So, the answer to my question was no. Fair enough.
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Nothing on the forums about specific roles intended (I don't think any of the SoAs where really designed with a specific role in mind).
There is the in game introduction:
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Characters with Arachnos Soldier training begin their careers as Wolf Spiders. Wolf Spider characters have a strong mix of Melee and Ranged attacks and strong protective powers available via their power armor. Beginning at level 24, the player has to choose whether he will progress down the "Crab Spider" or "Bane Spider" path. Crab Spiders gain access to the "backpack" and the powerful claw/cone attacks it provides, while the Bane Spider track provides stealth and a stronger focus on melee.
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Which, if you take it to literally, will see you doing a lot of faceplanting.
I really should do something about this signature.
Alrighty, thanks for that.
@Jay Leon Hart
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SO the simple answer would be to beef up their melee defense and ability.
And actually praf, in teams my bane doesn't die, because the crab spiders take the aggro, and banes clean up quickly.
However soloing u described the situation accurately = lot of deaths.
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SO the simple answer would be to beef up their melee defense and ability.
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So simple. So now why didn't the Devs think of that? Crediting them with some intelligence. There is probably a reason. A reason that by us, just needs to be found.
I would if interested, first look for that reason. Then if one can't see it, buy a US account in order to be heard 
, then explain things in ways they can understand; "numerically"; with less of the [censored] words. 
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Crediting them with some intelligence.
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Some, but not to much. There where loads of people telling Castle that Stealth IOs in auto powers would be broken, on the US forums to, but he went ahead anyway.
There are loads of people saying Electric Armor is broken on stalkers, but has there been any change?
So, no, I think the devs will operate a suck it and see policy. let it go live as is, then fix it a couple of years down the line when the data mining results are in. I hope I'm wrong.
As for a secret hidden way to play bane spiders wich makes them good but no one is smart enough to have figured out yet!!??? Might as well believe that Elvis is alive and working a milkman in Birmingam.
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I'm not saying they're built for teamplay, I'm just curious if the Devs have stated either way, like they did with the 10 base ATs in the manuals.
No worries, I'm an [censored] sometimes anyway
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Banes aren't designed for team play. Crabs, Night Widows and Fortunatas bring more to teams as well as being better solo.
I really should do something about this signature.