Respect For Other Players In RV - Or Lack Of It
By
Alvan,
Posted on: 2006-11-08 16:33 in Everything about PvP
You don't get the point of PvP zones really, do you?
Being ganked/attacked by other players is all part of the risk of being in a PvP zone.
If you want to be in there, for whatever reason, then your presence implies your acceptance of these risks.
You therefore have no right to complain.
You get a warning when you enter PvP zones that you can and probably will get attacked by other players.
Whilst I understand your desire to explore a zone without being attacked by other players, there are plenty (although not quite enough - hint, hint) of other zones where you can play the game.
As a stauch non-PvP'er, it would be nice if you could walk into any zone and explore it as you like it, but that's not the way the game is any more (and hasn't been since Issue 6).
I don't think you'll get much support for this one, I'm afraid. The title of the thread is "Respect For Other Players In RV - Or Lack Of It". That goes both ways you know?
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Given the points you've pointed out regarding the comments you expect in return to this post, all I can say is good call, as it's exactly what you are going to get, from both players and forum moderators.
It's a PvP zone, PvP is going to happen, you get this mentioned to you every time you enter the zone.
Stalkers can do more than just PvP stalk kills, as you put it "thats all they are good at". I've both seen and acted as one, stalkers "scrapping" with other ATs.
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Its akin to the right to use a Public Right Of Way through the middle of a Farmers field. You have the legal right to do this and trample the Farmers crops, but its a reprehensible act non the less. Or perhaps the Smokers somewhat incomprehensible idea that because he has the right to smoke in a resturant and pollute the lungs of other people, he therefor should.
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No, it't not. In PvP the simplest rule is Players have the chance to attack and defeat other Players. Examples you gave are with an indication that a rule is being broken, in PvP zones, attacking another player is not against a rule, so the comparison doesn't hold.
Hmm... I see tinder...
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As a stauch non-PvP'er, it would be nice if you could walk into any zone and explore it as you like it, but that's not the way the game is any more (and hasn't been since Issue 6).
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Same here, I'm a staunch non-PvPer and would love to explore the PvP zones or do missions there without being attacked.
But then again I'm realistic about the situation.
I can understand your frustration as RV is a very cool zone, it is unique to all other zones and is a lot of fun. It has pvp, great xp/prestige farming potential, badges and signature heroes/villains. However, all those cool things are their precisely because it is a PvP zone. The XP is great because you are constantly at risk of being attacked, IMO this is a fair trade off, in that you must momentarily stop farming that turret with your heavy and defend yourself.
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But if I loose my Heavy to another player as a result expect a frosty response. But better than that would be to go to Warburg or even better, Sirens Call, where all the real PvP is happening.
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I find this comment unreasonable. As far as I'm aware there are only two heavies available per side (please correct me if i'm wrong) and they are fair game. Just because you want to use the heavy to get easy xp doesn't mean that the heavy is exclusivly yours.
In short, by all means enjoy the zone, but be prepared to be attacked. If you ask someone to stop, they may be a kind soul and leave you alone. Others will just see you as an easy target. Such is life.
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I can understand your frustration as RV is a very cool zone, it is unique to all other zones and is a lot of fun. It has pvp, great xp/prestige farming potential, badges and signature heroes/villains. However, all those cool things are their precisely because it is a PvP zone. The XP is great because you are constantly at risk of being attacked, IMO this is a fair trade off, in that you must momentarily stop farming that turret with your heavy and defend yourself.
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But if I loose my Heavy to another player as a result expect a frosty response. But better than that would be to go to Warburg or even better, Sirens Call, where all the real PvP is happening.
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I find this comment unreasonable. As far as I'm aware there are only two heavies available per side (please correct me if i'm wrong) and they are fair game. Just because you want to use the heavy to get easy xp doesn't mean that the heavy is exclusivly yours.
In short, by all means enjoy the zone, but be prepared to be attacked. If you ask someone to stop, they may be a kind soul and leave you alone. Others will just see you as an easy target. Such is life.
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There are 3 per side, the locations of them are on the ingame maps in each base.
Thanks.
But I think it is still fair to say that people cannot view a heavy as exclusivly theirs. A pvper will see someone with a heavy as a bigger threat and may target them because of that. Another farmer (of the opposing faction) will also want to farm the turrets as well and will see you as a threat also.
The best advise I can offer to the OP is to play in RV at off peak times to minimise the chance of meeting other players.
I completely 'get' pvp zones and i'm not expecting to recieve support per say. I'm just appealing to those with a better side to their nature to use it. I expect nothing from those who dont.
Oh and what I said about farmers fields and smokers polluting our air does not imply rules are broken at all. I suggest you read a little closer.
O NO PVP IN A PVP ZONE SOMEBODY CALL THE INTERNETS POLICE
Echoing whats already been said really. Its an Open PvP zone, you get a warning when you enter the zone that you may be attacked by other players which makes you 'fair game' for someone on the opposite faction from yourself regardless of what you are doing in the zone.
If you want to continue using the zone for taking down turrets or whatever else then I'm afraid your going to have accept the risks involved.
I was in there on sunday for the RV event. When someone asked me "is this an XP team" I thought "[censored]!".
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O NO PVP IN A PVP ZONE SOMEBODY CALL THE INTERNETS POLICE
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You mis-spelled the word "teh" there, Xan.
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Or perhaps the Smokers somewhat incomprehensible idea that because he has the right to smoke in a resturant and pollute the lungs of other people, he therefor should.
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Or, y'know, non-smokers could just sit somewhere else?
Much like non-PvPers could play somewhere else 
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In simple Answer.. PLAYER VS PLAYER ZONE! you get attacked if you like it or not, sorry to say but coming onto the forums and going on about being attacked in a PVP zone against your Own Will isnt gonna help it, if you dont like the fact you get attacked.. DONT ENTER, simple as.
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Your not obliged to kill them
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I belive that they are obliged, the idea is where Players from Coh and Cov will meet and clash in battle IF THEY LIKE IT OR NOT, im NOT a PvPer but i dam well know the rules that come into PvP zones.. i dont like PvP so if im in a pvp zone and want the missions.. I RUN LIKE HELL.
PvP zones are Player vs Player.. always will be and always have been.
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I've been in RV a lot over the last few weeks getting badges, I have no sympathy for the people in there that grind for XP and complain that they're getting ganked. You're at a big disadvantage even being in RV before lvl 50, you may be auto SK'd up but you still don't have the full powers you'll have when you're 50.
Grinding for XP in RV is boring and i personally think there is something wrong with someone that would pay for a game then decide they want to skip arguably some of the best content for it in the 40-50lvl range.
honestly go do missions, it may take longer but its more fun. no on really cares how many 50's people have so power levelling your way there is cheating yourself out of the game experience.
that's my little rant and it's got nothing to do with the fact i can't get a heavy when i want one.
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Or perhaps the Smokers somewhat incomprehensible idea that because he has the right to smoke in a resturant and pollute the lungs of other people, he therefor should.
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Or, y'know, non-smokers could just sit somewhere else?
Much like non-PvPers could play somewhere else .
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Unless it's Scotland, in which case the smokers have to go stand out in the rain (which I would class as the PvP zone 
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(quote)Or perhaps the Smokers somewhat incomprehensible idea that because he has the right to smoke in a resturant and pollute the lungs of other people, he therefor should.(unquote)
you had a choice before you entered the resturant, you had a choice to enter the pvp zone
dont blame others for your choices .
As Rockjaw himself has said. It's not a Player Hug Player zone. If you don't like it, get your XP elsewhere. In I8, due very soon now, we have safeguard missions. Do them instead!
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Well, the smoking analogy amuses me, because in restuarants, there's a smoking section and a non-smoking section. If you're a non-smoker and you sit in the smoking section, you can't complain about smelling smoke.
I've been in RV a bit over the past few days, to try and get a little bit of Prestige going for my SG (I end up earning more debt than I earn XP, so it pretty much rules out any levelling) and whenever someone comes along and attacks me, I attack them back. Not because I'm obligated to, or whatever, but because it means I get to pretend that any and everyone attacking me is a moron who can't spell (which their smacktalk seems to verify) and I get to kill them dead. When it comes to Stalkers, then yes, it gets annoying when they attack me from being hidden, but that's what Accuracy inspirations are for. And, when it comes to going into RV, I'd never dream of going in alone, because to survive in there for any conceivable amount of time, you NEED someone in there to watch your back.
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I agree with all the above. Except for Xan's post of course...
This has been discussed to death and, unfortunately, no-one will give you any form of sympathy in that matter, blabla...
I believe it's all part of a mind set. Enter the pvp zones knowing you'll get killed. That way you won't be badly surprised when it eventually happens.
Furthermore, having been in RV quite a few times, I always came across some decent attitudes from players:
"-Anyone up for a 1v1?"
"-Yeah sure! meet you at the globe"
I've witnessed good fun 1v1 fights, fair and square with sometimes 5 to 10 players taking turns and with no interferences from anyone.
Sometimes it all goes pear-shaped and the lone hero (or villain) bites the dust fairly quickly, but it's all good fun ^^
I always enter pvp zones thinking: All is fair in pvp. And try my best to abide by it.
Of course Heavies are not solely for my own use. But they are rare and if you loose it your time there is effectively over. If I have a heavy I always broadcast that I have one and offer a space on my team to share it. I'm not stupid u know
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That phrase will haunt you....
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The smoking analagy is also ridiculous. Comparing something which kills in real life to something which irritates you in a game is an extremely bad way to illustrate a point.
But then it was an extremely bad point to begin with.
If you don't like PvP, don't go in the zones. If you want the rewards, accept the risks. It really is that simple.
Oh, definately, but I can't think of a suitable replacement analogy for the OP.
After a particularly unpleasant night in Recluses Victory, again, I thought I might just air my views on the players who made it so unpleasant, and those like them. Call it therapy if you will.
Ok, now, yes I know that Recluses Victory is a Player vs Player zone. As such I know that another player has every right to walk up to and 'defeat' another player. However, Recluses Victory is widely regarded as more than just a place to PvP. Its also quite a fun place to kill a couple of hours and get some fairly decent XP. Its also a particularly helpfull zone for those with limited time online for whatever reason, as they can spend that time gaining XP rather than hunting down teams, which isn't always easy as I'm sure many will know. Its also good for those that like to solo alot and are a bit sick of mission after mission and would like a bit of light relief.
With the above paragraph in mind, it would be nice if those that wish to actually PvP could leave those that dont wish to, well alone. I'm fully expecting at this point for someone to skip the rest of this message, and using the reply button, post some poorly written, indignant response about how "its a PvP zone so I will kill you coz I roxorz and you shouldn't be here if you dont like it", followed by some kind of threat to beat me up next time they see me there. To that I have this to say. Yes you have the right to kill players ( so save your suggestion that I petition you for some one stupider than me ), but if you choose to exercise that right on players who want to enjoy RV for other reasons you are on morally indefencible ground. You are taking enjoyment at the expense of the enjoyment of other players. Its akin to the right to use a Public Right Of Way through the middle of a Farmers field. You have the legal right to do this and trample the Farmers crops, but its a reprehensible act non the less. Or perhaps the Smokers somewhat incomprehensible idea that because he has the right to smoke in a resturant and pollute the lungs of other people, he therefor should.
RV is not just a PvP zone. If it were, then there wouldn't be so much XP laying around to attract the non PvP players. And if you are thinking, like someone said the other night, that my not wanting to PvP is spoiling your enjoyment of the game, remember that I wouldn't even be there if it was a purely PvP zone.
I'm expecting a Stalker at this point to step up and claim that because he's a Stalker and therefor designed for PvP he must kill me in the way that Stalkers do because thats all they are good at. Well fine, kill me once, prove your superiority, feel great about yourself and then move on. Dont do it over and over and over again. But if I loose my Heavy to another player as a result expect a frosty response. But better than that would be to go to Warburg or even better, Sirens Call, where all the real PvP is happening.
So please people, if players want to be left alone, leave them alone. Your not obliged to kill them. And if you do, then you are of questionable character.
Thanks for reading, I feel much better now.