Respect For Other Players In RV - Or Lack Of It
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Alvan,
Posted on: 2006-11-08 16:33 in Everything about PvP
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How clear does it need to be made that, "If you don't want to participate in PvP, then don't enter a PvP zone".
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They're gonna be mighty annoyed in the US when you reduce their sig lengths to 200, I reckon.
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They're gonna be mighty annoyed in the US when you reduce their sig lengths to 200, I reckon.
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PvP zones are about fighting other players NOT farming xp. I suggest you have broken a rule by trying to farm xp.
If you dont want to look for a team do a solo mish. Just dont bother people who enter a zone to PvP with the "im here for xp". All you are doing is cheating and in the end they will just nurf the XP (like they did for PvP mishions)because it is not being used as intended.
I'm all for respecting other players in RV but thats not to say everyone feels the same as i do if people want to hunt things in RV thats up to them just aslong as they don't whine or complain that the stalker got them while they weren't paying attention... and lowering mob exp for PvP Zones is not the answer nor the heavies as they serve a more noble purpose supporting players during AV/Hero Hunting events
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They're gonna be mighty annoyed in the US when you reduce their sig lengths to 200, I reckon.
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Outta my brain you! 
hmmm, i just found this on wikipedia for noobs in internet gaming
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A tendency to act like a certain place in a map belongs to an individual. This occurs very often in MMORPGs, as a lot of players want to level up their characters quickly without being bothered.
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that bout covers it right. pointless posting ftw
also how i mine 4 fish?
Stop maoning, its a pvp zone, there are NO rules, players can kill you over and over again, why? because they like the feeling of beating someone else, ok? nothing you can do can stop this, no petition, no forum post, no nothing so just leave it and go earn exp the real way, in a mission. and if u do get attacked just live with it, ask him.her nicely to stop, and if he/her does not, dont moan, jus t respect that he/she is here to pvp, and move on.
i came across the same thing a while ago, some people getting nukes in WB, i killed them both, (( i was VERY close to 400 rep badge so i needed the kills )) and they waited for me outside of warburg, and both confronted me, blaggering on and on about how i ruined there morning. its pathetic its a Player V's Player ((ZONE))
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PvP zones are about fighting other players NOT farming xp. I suggest you have broken a rule by trying to farm xp.
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Not broken a rule - the high xp's there to reflect the increased risk of entering a PvP zone in the first place, and if they didn't want people to go for it they would have arranged it to give no xp at all.
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Just dont bother people who enter a zone to PvP with the "im here for xp". All you are doing is cheating and in the end they will just nurf the XP (like they did for PvP mishions)because it is not being used as intended.
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The mission nerf was because there was an exploit they're working on fixing; when that's done they plan to put things back to the original level.
Intended = going into a PvP zone, taking the risks and doing the mission - if that's all people do, things won't be nerfed.
Same old same old.
One day people will understand PvP Zones mean people will want to hurt you...
some things never change.
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well I for one agree with Amellie, as ud expect.
and as u will also i expect i couldnt give a damn if u wanna pvp or not, just leave ones that arent the feck alone! >.<
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Doesn't matter what you think on the matter really. The rules of the game are clear.
To quote Bridger from this very thread:
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Third, as many others have already pointed out (albeit sometimes with slightly less tact and tolerance than I would like) and I have explained several times in the past, PvP zones (including Recluse's Victory) are just that - PvP zones. If you choose to enter them, you are consenting to PvP. Other players in a PvP zone are doing absolutely nothing wrong if they attack you. They're doing what the zone is designed for. If you don't like being attacked by other players, don't enter the zone.
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...Super Speed using Scrapper runs alongside me, looks at me, I engage bodyguard and wait..... Scrapper runs in and starts to slice at me, robots launch themselves at him and quickly despatch him (due to buffs helping too, oh and a massive heavy).
This happens again with another failed attack after he resparned
It happens again!
Next time, he resumes his attack, for some reason he's harder to hit (I think he took insps... suddenly WAY better!), I die... but still
Was rather funny how persistent he was even when I was just sorta minding my own buisness
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If this was a while ago and on Union, and against a BS/Regen, it may well have been me. I remember distinctly doing something very similar to that.
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...Super Speed using Scrapper runs alongside me, looks at me, I engage bodyguard and wait..... Scrapper runs in and starts to slice at me, robots launch themselves at him and quickly despatch him (due to buffs helping too, oh and a massive heavy).
This happens again with another failed attack after he resparned
It happens again!
Next time, he resumes his attack, for some reason he's harder to hit (I think he took insps... suddenly WAY better!), I die... but still
Was rather funny how persistent he was even when I was just sorta minding my own buisness
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If this was a while ago and on Union, and against a BS/Regen, it may well have been me. I remember distinctly doing something very similar to that.
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I vaguely recall it was a /Regen, did the name have (something like) Jade in it? 
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Yeesh, got fed up reading this thread, but from what I did read, I have to say I partially agree with the original poster.
She was asking for a little respect from other players in the zone, is that really too much to ask?
A few days back (at an off peak time of the day I hasten to add), myself and a team of about 5 others, were attempting to get the AV badges within RV - there was even a lone villain going around taking out, but not converting, the pill boxes to assist in this matter.
We had achieved all but Mako, and then we were suddenly, and repeatedly, attacked by a stalker. We explained over broadcast that we were trying to collect AV badges, and that he can PvP us all he wants once we have this last badge, but to no avail. He repeatedly, and insantly attacked us from cover, again and again and again, over and over. Again we pleaded with him that we have merely one AV left to kill, he's STOOD in front of us right now, and it will take a mere 5-10 minutes - BANG, another assassin strikes takes one of us out... After about 10 minutes of this (as it was impossible to take on the AV when half our number was constantly coming back from the hospital) the group split up and we left the zone.
Now I ask you, is this REALLY myself and my team that was in the wrong here, is it possibly, JUST MAYBE, that the person in charge of the stalker was the one showing no respect to others?
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Now I ask you, is this REALLY myself and my team that was in the wrong here
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Yes
read the thread and especially the posts by Bridger for reasons why.
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Yes
read the thread and especially the posts by Bridger for reasons why.
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Already did. And I still disagree with you. If someone was to ask me not to attack them for 5 minutes while they killed an AV (and therefore got a badge), why would I NOT oblige?
Again, it comes down to respect. Clearly I have more respect for peoples feelings/opinions than I thought I had...
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Yeesh, got fed up reading this thread, but from what I did read, I have to say I partially agree with the original poster.
She was asking for a little respect from other players in the zone, is that really too much to ask?
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Respect's one thing, but I think asking other people not to PvP in a PvP zone's quite another.
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A few days back (at an off peak time of the day I hasten to add), myself and a team of about 5 others, were attempting to get the AV badges within RV - there was even a lone villain going around taking out, but not converting, the pill boxes to assist in this matter.
We had achieved all but Mako, and then we were suddenly, and repeatedly, attacked by a stalker. We explained over broadcast that we were trying to collect AV badges, and that he can PvP us all he wants once we have this last badge, but to no avail. He repeatedly, and insantly attacked us from cover, again and again and again, over and over. Again we pleaded with him that we have merely one AV left to kill, he's STOOD in front of us right now, and it will take a mere 5-10 minutes - BANG, another assassin strikes takes one of us out... After about 10 minutes of this (as it was impossible to take on the AV when half our number was constantly coming back from the hospital) the group split up and we left the zone.
Now I ask you, is this REALLY myself and my team that was in the wrong here, is it possibly, JUST MAYBE, that the person in charge of the stalker was the one showing no respect to others?
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Seems to me he was using sensible Stalker tactics; he's outnumbered so is attacking when the foes are distracted.
If you want to badge-hunt in a PvP zone you'll have to work around PvP players, not expect them to work around you.
(And for the record I avoid PvP like the plague - never do it, don't plan to start - so I'm not defending my own corner here)
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Yeesh, got fed up reading this thread, but from what I did read, I have to say I partially agree with the original poster.
She was asking for a little respect from other players in the zone, is that really too much to ask?
A few days back (at an off peak time of the day I hasten to add), myself and a team of about 5 others, were attempting to get the AV badges within RV - there was even a lone villain going around taking out, but not converting, the pill boxes to assist in this matter.
We had achieved all but Mako, and then we were suddenly, and repeatedly, attacked by a stalker. We explained over broadcast that we were trying to collect AV badges, and that he can PvP us all he wants once we have this last badge, but to no avail. He repeatedly, and insantly attacked us from cover, again and again and again, over and over. Again we pleaded with him that we have merely one AV left to kill, he's STOOD in front of us right now, and it will take a mere 5-10 minutes - BANG, another assassin strikes takes one of us out... After about 10 minutes of this (as it was impossible to take on the AV when half our number was constantly coming back from the hospital) the group split up and we left the zone.
Now I ask you, is this REALLY myself and my team that was in the wrong here, is it possibly, JUST MAYBE, that the person in charge of the stalker was the one showing no respect to others?
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The Stalker was helping one of the high level members of Arachnos deal with an obviously powerful heroic threat.
Sounds like he was playing exactly by the rules & inspiration for the zone to me really.
Plus he's getting PvP kills, the primary reason for the zone existing at all. Respect does go both ways and he's the one playing the zone as intended.
It'd be Nice if he did as you asked. But Nice doesn't get most villains very far really.
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Respect's one thing, but I think asking other people not to PvP in a PvP zone's quite another.
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Not asking them not to, merely asking them to delay their PvPing until the AV was defeated. As I said, we ALL said we would happily PvP with them once the AV had been dealt with.
As I said previously, I only partially agree with the OP - yes, when in a PvP zone you should expect to get attacked by other players. Fine, I'm down with that and will happily 'get my hands dirty' and join in. But when asked by someone to not kill them for a few minutes while they do something that takes a considerable amount of time and effort to orchestrate, it seems to be completely DISRESPECTFUL to say 'No, you're in a PvP zone, I will kill you ' over and over again....
But once you'd finished killing the AV it would have been alot harder for the Stalker to get kills. Killing you while you were distracted makes sense if he was outnumbered.
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Respect's one thing, but I think asking other people not to PvP in a PvP zone's quite another.
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Not asking them not to, merely asking them to delay their PvPing until the AV was defeated. As I said, we ALL said we would happily PvP with them once the AV had been dealt with.
As I said previously, I only partially agree with the OP - yes, when in a PvP zone you should expect to get attacked by other players. Fine, I'm down with that and will happily 'get my hands dirty' and join in. But when asked but someone to not kill them for a few minutes while they do something that takes a considerable amount of time and effort to orchestrate, it seems to completely DISRESPECTFUL to say 'No, you're in a PvP zone, I will kill you ' over and over again....
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I don't see anything wrong with it, it's part of the Zone. The RV AV's are there to back-up the losing faction, and taking them down or taking pillboxes are supposed to alter the Dynamic of the zone, so people make take afront to that.
However, since they don't seem to debuff/buff damage/resistance, I view all that PvE rubbish as a bit of a silly idea in a PvP Zone. They're really not there for anything but badges, which is bad. Nice idea, bad execution.
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But once you'd finished killing the AV it would have been alot harder for the Stalker to get kills. Killing you while you were distracted makes sense if he was outnumbered.
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And IMPOSSIBLE for us if we were continually loosing members of the team (plus heavy) - you realise those AVs never turn up alone, right?
I can see this is gonna be one of those 'agree to disagree' things. I know what my stance would be if the situation was reversed, clearly it is not an opinion wildly shared.
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But when asked but someone to not kill them for a few minutes while they do something that takes a considerable amount of time and effort to orchestrate, it seems to completely DISRESPECTFUL to say 'No, you're in a PvP zone, I will kill you ' over and over again....
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From just one point of view though - what if that player only logged on for 20 minutes, thinking I'll go and fight some people in RV. What if they had all chat switched off, due to bad experiences?
As far as they are concerned then, they're in a PvP zone, you're in a PvP zone. And that's all that matters to them. Surely (from that Stalker's POV) it's disrespectful of you to ask them to stop doing the one thing they were planning on doing in the short time they are logged in?
Again, this is from a non PvP'ers POV - I don't personally think respect comes into it. They're playing the game as it's meant to be played in that zone.
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Already did. And I still disagree with you. If someone was to ask me not to attack them for 5 minutes while they killed an AV (and therefore got a badge), why would I NOT oblige?
Again, it comes down to respect. Clearly I have more respect for peoples feelings/opinions than I thought I had...
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It is a different thing asking people to do something and demanding them to. Bottom line is that the other players arent obliged to comply to these requests in a PvP zone. Most would, but demanding them to do so is where you can go wrong.
If someone asks me to stand aside while they kill an AV in a PvP zone, only in rare occasions could I bring myself to attack, im too nice a person. SAme goes for dueling and badgehunting etc. BUT. I recognize that I have no obligation to comply to their wishes. Similarly it is wrong to introduce any kind of 'gentlemans rules' here on the forums and expect people to comply to them. PvP zones are PvP zones, and imposing any other kind of rules on other people (even 'gentleman's rules') is wrong.
There is a difference in the point-of-views.
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In fact, there was only one instance I can remember where I *DID* have a row with someone over PvP, in Warburg. I'd spent ages getting my scientists, and on the last one, some swine ganked me and took my hard work away. When I asked him if that was REALLY necessary (It was a hero, so my getting a nuke didn't cause him any problems), his answer was, "Cause I felt like it". He didn't want the nuke himself, he just wanted to wreck someone elses fun.
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One of the reasons I hate warburg, takes ages, can go bad quickly, and it seems designed to give already strong characters a chance to become even stronger. I also dont like fighting people on my own "side" so I mostly avoid that zone.
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