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I had a whole bunch of fun. Spent most of the event in Kings Row taunting Black Swan and War Witch, then having an absolutely hilarious time with whoever was playing Nightstar, minimal lag there - even when we had War Workers spawned on our heads and everything else she threw at us.
Atlas was extremely laggy, but if anyone remembers the Recluse's Victory event way back when, the lag suffered last night was only a fraction of that - and with over 4,000 people taking part, I was impressed. No it wasn't playable, but it was so much better than things have been in the past.
But most of all, it was fun. The devs/GMs/players were all having a laugh, I loved that an awful, awful lot of the banter was ad-libbed - but I would like to know who the invisible Incarnate hiding at the entrance to RV was, who slapped me with hand clap after I kindly asked them not to hit me. -
Quote:Normal, the norm, that which is most common, what we are used to and accept as prevalent. Average, the same, normal.
While I would agree that "straight acting" is certainly leaps and bound above "normal" (because what on earth is "normal" anyway?) it is far from an ideal term.
This is a pet peeve of mine; normal is not bad, abnormal is not bad (unless specifically bad, such as "an abnormal tumour" but even a normal one would be a bad, so we're ignoring those) it's just a way of catagorising things. If someone was to say to me, "You're not normal," I'd automatically assume I was abnormal to them, but I'd not take offence until I was sure whether they meant it cruelly, or if it was just born from ignorance or naivety. It's just an easier way of going about life.
The term "straight acting" is a bit over my head. To me, it conjures images of blokes down the pub, talking about how many chicks/birds/"female dogs" and "gardening implements -e" they pulled last night. But to act "normally" just suggests behaving in a way that blends in with everyone else; and again, it goes both ways (hurr hurr). -
I'm so incredibly nervous about today's game. I know we (England) can win, but that's what we thought in 1950.
I'll be watching it, but am likely to bite through most of my hands.
My money's on Spain, yes yes I know they're favourites, that's probably why! But I'd like Germany to do well. I don't want France anywhere near the quarters, let alone semis or final - Henry appealing re: handball was tragically ironic.
Honestly don't think we've got a hope in hell of winning the cup, but I'll be surprised if we don't go most of the way. And yes, the horns are boring into my brain, sounds like a swarm of bees. -
That would be why I added the caveat, "personally".
Quote:Whilst that's a very right on attitude and covers bases (and I am only singling the quote out because I hope it will back up my next point), I think gay men, lesbians, transgendered people and bisexuals have as much right to go on about it as other people do.
If I were so inclined I could raise the same points in forum posts about straight couples who are getting married. I mean, why do they have to go on about it?
Personally, whilst I am comfortable gaming with total strangers who assume, before I tell them, that I'm straight (as most people on this MMO do (I have no experience of other MMOs)), I'm not afraid of mentioning that my boyfriend is tutting as I play the game, for example. Not everyone who identifies as LGBT has the luxury of that. Therefore if I'm guilty of going on about it on here, then so what?
Most issues carry a degree of '(un)comfortability'. If people want to believe that sexuality is just about sex then perhaps some open discussion of it can disprove that black-and-white view.
For those that find it distasteful, they have the option of looking away. Same as any other subject.
I don't believe I said sexuality is about just sex, and if my statement did come across that way, I apologise. I meant it can and does have a sexual element - the same way, to borrow your example, a straight couple announcing their marriage has an underlying sexual element. It is perfectly reasonable to suggest the couple have never and will never have sex, but it's much more common to assume they have and will. Same if that couple were gay. Sex makes (some) people uncomfortable, so I can understand why even the most accepting and open-minded of people can be a little "weirded out" by someone announcing their sexuality, unprompted.
I'm lucky enough to have been born and raised in London - there's very, very little that shocks me or even that I find outside the norm. As such, I find pride in who you are rather tedious. Good! But tedious. We all do it here, it's old hat. So it's not as easy to fathom the horror some go through, living in places they are not able to be themselves. Ditto goes for family, accepting open-minded family warps your view of others not lucky enough to experience the same.
And for the record, while my "going on about it" threshold is usually fairly high (i.e. mentioning your partner won't set me off), if I'm having a bad day it drops a fair amount. -
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Quote:Of course not. Unless, of course, for some reason working late shifts was a sexuality.To be fair, a LGBT Supergroup/Villaingroup is not particularly different to a SG/VG comprised of, say, older players (i.e. 30+), or an SG/VG with a strict Greek Pantheon only theme.
And if people want to group together for different reasons, then why does there even have to be a discussion of the reasons behind that?
IIRC the OP just wanted to know if there were any LGBT players out there who fancied forming a SG/VG. Would the same questions be asked of people who formed a SG/VG because they all worked late shifts and it was convenient to team together at that time, with people they gradually got to know, and felt comfortable with?
The reason there is controversy is because it covers sexuality, which covers sex, which is an uncomfortable topic for an awful lot of people. Especially in an MMO. No, you wouldn't necessarily have to be gay/bisexual/transgendered to join such an SG (how would you prove you were?), but in joining one, you are inadvertently announcing your sexual preferences. Personally, anyone who does that on the internet, outside of a dating/similar site, is going to encounter a very adamant, "And I care, why?"
As I may have said already, or has been said by someone else (it has been nearly a year since I read this thread through), I don't define a person by their sexuality. I do, however, define them by how much they go on about it.
Those would be my two pence (I will not be Americanised, damnit). -
Heee, still the same old Wabbit.
Yes, I am back. Hopefully not temporarily this time (I'll be here for Going Rogue, so may as well just stay til then). It's looking goooood on this new PC I'll tell you that. But I have forgotten almost everything! I'm doing radio missions constantly at the moment, as I'm too scared to do anything else.But the difficulty setting tweaks are very much fun.
Charming_Rogue, I'm shocked, are my feminine wiles not apparent?
And I've been gone gone for nearly 2 years? Something like that. Maybe three. -
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I know what you mean, Z. Trying to think about it is hurting my brain.
Oddly, I have a couple of friends (not YOU person reading this, I know you are - re-sub already) whom I'd never in a million years assume to be straight, but they are. However, I don't have any gay friends whom I assumed to be straight. It... argh my brain hurts. -
Quote:And no one's asking him to change his character's name. Just the forum name (or possibly as JD said, the combination of name + avatar, which, to be fair, sounds like it would be fairly offensive to anyone who knew and considered "spade" to be a derogatory term) - and it may very well have been offensive on the EU forums, just not in droves as it appears to be here.How about "GrinningSpade"? It keeps the card theme, and the gentleman theme, and isn't offensive to anyone in the EU where he plays.
It would be preferable if he didn't have to change, yes - but in the interests of all getting along? I was merely making a suggestion. -
What about "GrinningSuit"? It keeps the card theme, and the gentleman theme.
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I've seen Boston Legal, I know how these things work. We just have to prove GrinningSpade is not in control of his senses, and is unfit to stand trial. This shouldn't be too hard.
But I doubt Avatea would mention any problems with his name/avatar unless there have been more than a couple of complaints; and at the same time, I have no idea why "spade" is considered derogatory, I'll have to look it up. Some things are going to change (I'm definitely going to giggle myself silly anytime I see someone refer to a bottom using the word we use for a particular lady part), I guess we just have to hope it's not going to cause us to lose our names/identity. -
Quote:Well that ain't gonna work. Your sweet and savoury tastebuds are all over your tongue, same as all your other sensors.It's not an acquired taste. Your taste buds are just being overly sensitive to the bitter elements. Roll your tongue a little and keep the beer where your sweet and savory sensors are. That's when you'll discover the malty flavors. Tastes like a slightly sweeter and saltier version of liquid bread. Educated taste, not acquired
Be open to new experiences. It doesn't hurt!
I dislike beer also, find it tastes like the smell of petrol. -
Quote:Oh god, this made me laugh.Just want to say that 'and his ilk' wasn't referring to American Indians, if you thought that was what I meant.
Eco.Does that make me a bad person?
Edit: To explain, it made me laugh because I couldn't think why on earth anyone could make that connection. Now I've re-read it, I can. The moral? Don't post when suffering from tea withdrawel symptoms. -
That's rather the point though, Chan.
A GLBT SG is a fantastic idea, because it allows people who simply can't be outspoken in their orientation to do so, simply by joining the group - and on the internet, even better for those who for one reason or another, prefer to stay anonymous.
I just feel one's orientation should never be a defining feature of who someone is. Just because it's boring. People are complex and interesting. That's what I want to know about - whether you're a doctor, or an archaeologist, or collect string - the fun stuff! And I think (bear in mind this is just me interpreting Cherokee's posts, as everyone is doing) that's what Cherokee means too. Surround yourself with like minded people, always be proud of who you are - but at the same time, there are specific places to discuss sexual orientation, and places where it's not really encouraged. Not due to discrimination, but just because it's not relevant.
All Cherokee is doing is linking orientation to intercourse, and while obviously that is not always the case, sometimes it can be. It was simply an assumption, which has turned into an argument.
Then there's the fact two seperate forums have now merged, and each of us have been through threads like this before I'm sure - with different outcomes. We had one on the EU forums a couple of years ago, which turned into a PUBLIC attack. It was bizarre, but it's left me, at least, wary of where threads like this can go. -
Quote:I'm aware it's a discussion forum - and I am reading other threads. Unfortunately, there are so many of them, I'm getting quite lost.It's a DISCUSSION forum, Stase. People like to DISCUSS things. If you don't like it, go read another thread, hmm?
It's not the discussion I have a problem with, it's the debate and attacking Cherokee for his/her opinion. In my experience, threads like these always turn into arguments - and often times for decent reasons. But this one looks like a bunch of people attacking one another for the slightest thing. If anyone had said anything derogatory, I'd understand - be upset, but understand. But no one has and that sort of makes this whole thing rather silly. -
It's a difference of opinion. I, for instance, don't believe a person's sexual preference should be a defining feature of them. If I were having a conversation with someone, and asked them to describe themselves, and they said, "I'm gay", I'd think that person was incredibly boring. And while I don't believe anyone should be prevented from discussing their sexual preference, I'd find the conversation incredibly tedious.
The personal attacks on Cherokee are very confusing, I'm reading exactly the same posts as you lot, and all I see is his (his? her?) belief sexual preference isn't a valid topic for the CITY OF HEROES AND VILLAINS game forums, absolutely nothing about having to keep your orientation a secret. Just how often can it come up in context, honestly? -
This thread is ridiculous, really.
In an ideal world, it should have gone something like this:
Post One: "I'm looking for a gay supergroup!"
Post Two: "I have one!"/"I don't know of any, sorry."/"Join mine! It's not specifically a GLBT supergroup, but it's frickin' awesome!"
Why it had to turn into a debate is beyond me. So you don't think specific GLBT SGs should exist? So what? I don't think Catgirl SGs (or, in fact, catgirls) should exist, but there are a ton of them, and there's nothing I can do about it bar avoid them like the plague. And the other lot, you're in support - good for you! Why not create one for the OP and anyone else looking for one?
And for freakin' sake, GLBT SGs are no more discriminatory against straight men/women as Catgirl SGs are against sane people. -
Hm, let's see if I can get this right:
Cherokee is commenting that the thread is about sex, whereas others state it's about sexual identity - not the act. But we can all agree that the thread is about someone's search for a g-a-y supergroup, right?
The only difference (as far as I'm concerned) between a g-a-y man/woman, and a straight man/woman is whom they choose to have sex with. So really, any conversation in a g-a-y supergroup that would in anyway be different from say, a supergroup with ONLY straight people in it, would be about whom they're currently bangin'?
I guess if you look at it like that, the thread could be accused of being about sex. But you'd have to reeeaally stretch it out (ehehehe), as I have just done. -
It's a toss up (I have a horrible feeling that will get censored) between Abi Small, Flittermaus and Vainglory.
Abi Small for the puntacular awesomitude.
Flittermaus for the cute.
Vainglory because her name suits her far better than any other character's. -
But of course I'm back on the forums! You think I'd miss the chance to help welcome our new alien (sorry, American) overlords?
Plus, I brought carrots. -
Avoid ambiguity, adopt clarity.
Keep it simple, stupid. -
I can see my avatar is going to fit in quite nicely.
Edit: Assuming it shows up. *taps foot*