How many new players have to complain ...

The OP took his ******* over to co, lost interest in that, ****** some more about it, so I heard. His return and heralding is welcome by someone I suppose -necromonger-

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I welcome Kruunch's return.

Not sure if this has been mentioned before (A lot of pages and posts) but I wondered if Hasten had something to do with the endurance quandary, especially with Tankers (okay, all ATs ).

Tanker recharge can be very slow. Folks might not want to waste (I use the term knowingly) a slot (or two) on recharge and, besides, I've never found much use for recharge TOs/DOs.

Hasten, at face value, seems like a nifty choice when it comes to increasing your attack rate. But when you're plowing through a mob and endurance is running low, then Hasten's endurance drop occurs, it can lead to trouble.

I think a loading screen tip that mentions considering recharge and end red enhancements in attack powers could be a good thing. It's by no means totally prescriptive, just a hint on what to consider if you are having those endurance issues.

Another issue I've experienced either as a Scrapper/Brute/Tanker/Stalker is that, early on, you don't always need all of your toggles on, but sometimes you stick them all on anyway (!). Perhaps another tip/hint highlighting that, with the odd exception, enemy groups in the lower level ranges don't always require all of your toggles to be switched on is a good idea?

As for various suggestions about either making Stamina an inherent (or similar) or changing the endurance costs of powers, that's a big no from me. When it comes to build planning and slotting I feel that's a matter for the players to work out amongst themselves, not for the devs.

I have four tanks, and never had MAJOR endurance issues pre 20. I have to belive you are playing a tank wrong if your blue bar is always at zero.

Just because I still think this is a really good idea!

What say we give Gauntlet a small endurance drain that adds to the tanker's endurance. You would have to play with the numbers to make the endurance drain low enough that a single tanker cannot completely drain a mob and the +recovery from three to five mobs would be enough to be effective without being overpowered. Thematically it would simply be an indication of the mobs losing their nerve when they realize that they are outmatched and the tanker getting psyched up as he gains the advantage.

This would help tankers at all levels and make multiple tankers more attractive in teams as you stack the endurance drain effects.


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Stop slotting attacks for damage pre-20s?

Im serious. Tanks get thier damage going in the 20s, right about the time SOs make them great. Early on, +8% or +16% damage on a low/moderate damage power isnt going to make that much of a difference. Changing those reds to blues can help quite a bit. Toggles are a different matter. First off, again +def/+res isnt that great pre-SOs and carving .21eps to .16eps (33% end redux) is really trivial compared to some slots in Punch. Punch is 5.2end 4s(1.2act) recharge. Dropping 33% end redux in there is 1.3 end reduction per use or if spammed, a .25eps reduction. Makes that .05 eps reduction in an armor seem even smaller.

Moral of the story:
Teach tanks to slot attacks for end redux, accuracy then damage in the early levels. Later on its not as important with Stamina and +end powers, but until those, it makes all the difference.

I'm different...if they take the endurance management part out of this game...then I will quit playing.

I never had a problem that the correct slotting couldn't fix.

Also...they took away the endurance cost of Brawl...low level Tankers (or any AT) should not have endurance problems that would make them want to quit the game.

Discimur exemplo. When the tutorials stop handing out damage enhancements, new players may prioritize other things than damage in their attacks.

Endurance remains the game's largest mechanical problem. The solutions are not obvious to new players, and are not available soon enough to save much of the content. The mechanic makes the game seem much duller than it turns out to be to a new player on a first character. It needs to be said, and repeated at every opportunity.

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How abouts use whats already been suggested with the begginers luck thingy, and give a certain endurance reduction bonus which dwindles slightly untill level 20. It should be made so it's not so amazing, and maybe it could be made in a more curved shape with little end redux at 1 and high end redux from like 10-20 when it's most needed.

I have a DM tank at lvl 16 with 2 attacks and recovery bonus from WP, that runs out of end within seconds. I'm not slotted yet, as i'm IOing at 17 or maybe 22 or 27 if i can survive that long without needing them. but surely i shouldn't be running out of end THIS quickly!!

It's making my tank kinda annoying to play, but i know when i start IOing i will love it. But a lot of new players don't have the experience i have with this so they would just think that the game is going to be that annoying and boring probably till the end.

try telling a frightened child that there isn't actually a monster under their bed and i doubt that they will instantly lose their fear. they need proof, proof that they're normally to scared to find.

Every AT should NOT be noob friendly. If you are a noob and you don't know what you are doing yet, don't play a tank. There are plenty of other noob friendly AT you can play until you get a better handle on this game. This game is too easy to begin with already.