Thats what im saying brother...But i dont think they should stopp the farming but to only let players that have been in the game for awile or that know what there doing! you know what im saying?
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You know, a team is up to 8 people with 1 leader. You are telling me that there are so few people now that anyone that wants to play the old way, they have to be the leaders? If i actually want to play the game the way it was made, i have to go and search for the few others hidden on the other corners of the globe? Yes i can do that, but my question is why? Why is it that now, the only people that want to play the other 95% of this game are an underground society? Whatever, if it's gotten to the point that people that just want to PL are calling me lazy, maybe i should just leave this game for good.
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What people are telling you here, is that the more effort you put into the game, the more successful you will be. If you sit back, and wait for teams to come to you, and do nothing else, you will be sitting around a lot. On the other hand, if you put forth even a bit of effort, you will get great results. It's not really that hard.
As far as the super-secret, "underground" global channels, they are neither secret nor underground. In fact, most of them are posted right here on the forums. If you want to interact and team with other active players, globals are the way to go. Just last night on Protector, over a span of a couple hours, I saw at least 5 taskforce teams being formed, as well as our usual RWZ ship raid.
Right. Secret and underground. Which is why on Justice we've had to recreate our Hami channel more than once due to it getting full.
Our current channel of Justice For All has gotten so full that we've formed a split-off channel for those that want something a bit quieter and to still be able to see the same MoTD announcing events and be able to look for teams. Diet JFA fits the bill nicely for some of us that have additional channels where we normally find teams, or don't want to read all the random chat.
Nothing Secret or Underground. Heck, you can even Search for channels from the Menu or (IIRC) from right-clicking in a chat window. Yeah, really secretive.
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They'd have to institute a recall on the box version plugging AE as a sell point.
Also, sure people are abusing the system, and the devs are trying to make it stop, and even though they never will be able to stop it completely, they can continue to try and curtail it.
Leaving it only to 50s, almost no one would use it.
The only thing I can think of is a little marker that comes up next to a lvl 50 chars name that says if they spent most of their time in the AE building, or running dev content.
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I'm not in the mood to read through 8 pages of the same old stuff about why they can't change the AE, but this was right on the front and really bugs me.
It does not matter that they sold a boxed copy called Architect Edition. That box, just like every other MMO box, plainly says "Game experience may change during online play".
The Devs can, will, and do change the game.
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As for you hyperstrike, the point of AE wasn't just to make easier influence and experience
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Where exactly did I say it WAS? I simply said that if you remove rewards you may as well remove MA. I also said that the devs wanted the MA to be something IN ADDITION to JUST a storytelling device. See "alternate levelling tool".
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It's really amazing to me how personal all of you make this when i just suggest to get rid of the PLing in this game.
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That's just it. I'm not the one who's taking it personally. I'm merely correcting erroneous information where I find it. You're the one that's "horribly put out" by the effects of MA on the player base.
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Not even get rid of PLing, just find a way to stop so many people from using it.
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Again with the telling other people how they "should" play.
In short IT IS NOT YOUR PREROGATIVE.
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If you get rid of recipe rolls or salvage in AE, more teams will form and do normal missions
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How is a mission where you have ZERO chance of obtaining random recipies or salvage, such as you'd find in a dev-content mission "normal"?
It's simply a disincentive to play MA missions. Worse, if people somehow accepted this backwards reasoning, it'd cause the market to eat itself. All those people playing and levelling, and only a percentage of them actually getting drops?
Lemme guess, you'd WANT luck charms and the like going for a mil a pop right?
So would I, but I realize how unhealthy that'd be for the market.
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If you get rid of recipe rolls or salvage in AE, more teams will form and do normal missions to try to get these recipes to sell for more money, it's pretty basic if you ask me
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That's because you aren't actually thinking it through. You simply see "less AE = More teammates for me". Never mind that the change you propose would destroy any real reason for anyone NOT a 50 and a member of the storyteller clique to actually USE MA.
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I mean jeeze, i didnt ask to give 50% experience in AE or anything, just keep normal missions rolling faster than the almost dead pace they're at now.
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Sorry that your choice of playstyle isn't netting you the team base you'd like. Destroying an alternate mode of play isn't going to help.
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You know, a team is up to 8 people with 1 leader. You are telling me that there are so few people now that anyone that wants to play the old way, they have to be the leaders?
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No. Simply that they have to care enough to put forth the effort.
Also, the people who're calling you lazy (like myself) don't "just want to PL". I played a bit in MA in the first few weeks, then started running multiple characters through dev-content arcs. One's in the mid-40's, another's in their mid 30's. In addition, my mains and some older alts have gotten a good deal of play too.
Not one of them has been PL'ed in MA.
Watch how you use that broad brush.
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maybe i should just leave this game for good.
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Can
I
Have
Your
Stuff?
At this point I've had enough of this childish "I'm going to hold my breath" and "I'm going to take my ball and go home" BS that I can only say.
PLEASE DO. Your presence here is a toxic annoyance to those who have better things to do with their entertainment time than deal with crybabies.
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They'd have to institute a recall on the box version plugging AE as a sell point.
Also, sure people are abusing the system, and the devs are trying to make it stop, and even though they never will be able to stop it completely, they can continue to try and curtail it.
Leaving it only to 50s, almost no one would use it.
The only thing I can think of is a little marker that comes up next to a lvl 50 chars name that says if they spent most of their time in the AE building, or running dev content.
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I'm not in the mood to read through 8 pages of the same old stuff about why they can't change the AE, but this was right on the front and really bugs me.
It does not matter that they sold a boxed copy called Architect Edition. That box, just like every other MMO box, plainly says "Game experience may change during online play".
The Devs can, will, and do change the game.
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Yeah. But changing it just to appease a small portion of people who think the game has died simply because they cant find radio pugs would be a horrible idea.
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It does not matter that they sold a boxed copy called Architect Edition. That box, just like every other MMO box, plainly says "Game experience may change during online play".
The Devs can, will, and do change the game.
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Just because it can be done doesn't mean it should be done.
I can't believe you even made this point. Removing AE would be the dumbest thing the developers could do, and I am glad that the development team doesn't consist of some of the crazy people here.
Oh, and AE killed my cat. It's all good though, because I was allergic to it.
Well, if you HONESTLY believe that the devs are simply going to pull the MA, or nerf it into uselessness...
Well...people believe in Xenu and the Flying Spaghetti Monster too.
I neither commend, nor condemn, you on your choice of religious affiliation.
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I NEVER said I believed that they *should* remove AE, I simply said that it COULD be done...contrary to what so many people like to say.
Reading comprehension has long since become a lost art on the internet it seems.
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I NEVER said I believed that they *should* remove AE, I simply said that it COULD be done...contrary to what so many people like to say.
Reading comprehension has long since become a lost art on the internet it seems.
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You could have been a bit more clearer. As it is currently worded, it leaves one to infer that you are suggesting that AE be removed - especially your last sentence in the post - here it is:
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It does not matter that they sold a boxed copy called Architect Edition. That box, just like every other MMO box, plainly says "Game experience may change during online play".
The Devs can, will, and do change the game.
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Nothing is incorrect about your post in any way. However, when you pair certain statements together, you also begin to associate ideas between them. In this case, by suggesting that the developers will change the game, in this context may implies that you believe the developers will or should remove AE - whether you intended that to the case or not.
Furthermore, marketing surely would want to remove the new boxes, so the point you are replying to still does stand. It would be foolish to advertise for a feature that no longer exists in the current state as advertised on the box. Even if legally they can do this, commercially, they are bound to deliver what the box promises simply to maintain their image.
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The cold truth is that it's not so much the ease of farming the AE that's resulting in giant fountains of XP for the world in general. It's the fact that the fairly random team make-up of 8-man AE means that many higher-level characters are willing to extend charity to lower-level characters and to players who just plain incompetent or stupid.
Smart players with well-built toons have, in the past, generally primarily run with SGmates and other players they know will be good, and they haven't had any patience for dragging around lower-level toons that weren't in their SG or circle of friends. Now in AE, two or three of those good players can pretty much hold a group of 8 together without a problem.
By the way, forcing mixed spawns won't really slow down the speed any. Minions die from the initial team alpha, and the LTs very well might too. Pure boss spawns actually pose a bit of danger.
Players are routinely achieving feats now that used to be thought impossible, even pre-ED. Since you cannot nerf player competence, something else would be necessary.
I suspect a certain amount of clever sneakiness on the part of the devs in adding the new mission spawning stuff: If a much smaller core of competent players is able to spawn a mission set for 8 (or even more extreme heights of difficulty), they have no incentive to allow others to tag along and contribute minimally. Sure, those players will still be garnering big batches of rewards, but they were doing that anyway before AE came along.
Everyone else that's left will be wondering why it used to be easy to do 8-man 54 boss farms. The usual AE babies without a modicum of sense or diligence will be faceplanting regularly, and things will go back to normal.
The devs COULD give up and shut the game down. Tomorrow.
The devs COULD all run mad with cleavers.
The devs COULD ...
Simply because they COULD do something doesn't mean there's a snowball's chance in Hell with the heat turned up that it's going to happen.
Now that you've picked your nit, you feel better?
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And I, for one, welcome our new Reichsman-class, splats a whole team by farting hard, picks their teeth with the slivers AE spawns who'll make mega-buffed stoners cry for their "mudders" overlords.
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The devs COULD give up and shut the game down. Tomorrow.
The devs COULD all run mad with cleavers.
The devs COULD ...
Simply because they COULD do something doesn't mean there's a snowball's chance in Hell with the heat turned up that it's going to happen.
Now that you've picked your nit, you feel better?
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It was never my intention to "pick a nit" it just bugs me seeing people say things like "The devs couldn't do that because it would be like false advertising with the Architect edition on the shelves".
My only point (originally) was that there is no such thing as "false advertising" when it comes to MMO's. They frequently change in drastic ways from whatever is advertised on the original box(or even subsequent re-releases).
That was it. Nothing else. I didn't intend to imply that I thought they should or shouldn't do anything, only that they could if they chose.
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I NEVER said I believed that they *should* remove AE, I simply said that it COULD be done...contrary to what so many people like to say.
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Technically speaking, yah, they could yank it.
Practically speaking, no, they really can't. Not anytime soon, anyway.
Besides, there's no indication that they want to.
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General reply to the thread:
Paragon Studios has vested itself in MA as a tool to facilitate player-created content as an alternative to the standard content.
That's the design. They didn't have to design it that way, but they did. They had good reason for that design and they've plenty of reason to want to see it work out.
Without rewards, MA can't be the alternative it was designed to be.
So, rewards aren't going to be removed from MA. To do so would be to essentially declare it a failure. I think the devs will pursue many other options before resorting to something like that.
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MA is far from ruining the game.
It is a wonderfull tool that lets us create marvelous content. A wonderfull alternative to the regular content (RC) we have played over and over.
It can be a farm tool, just like dozens of RC out there.
You can level fast with it. Just like dozens of RC out there.
You can get good stuff with it. Just like dozens of RC out there.
You can have fun with it. Just like with dozens of RC out there.
The point is... its a major paradigma change. And those set and cristallized on their ways cant deal with changes. So they don the vests of morality and virtue and go around preaching against it.
I dont play mostly AE. Actually... i mostly do TFs and SFs. I am specially addicted to those TFs people hate most, the Shadow Shard.
From time to time I want a break of the regular content, and I run to the AE then.
There I run my missions.
My friends missions.
Missions people on the global channels ask me to play.
Random missions nobody played yet.
I found some good stuff there.
Its EASY to avoid farm stuff. And to find then, if thats whats i am looking for (specially after a hard day at work, when i am really tired and cant commit to something long-lasting and just want to vent some energy while i keep talking on chats).
Only thing I would like to see the devs/gms doing about the MA is having, on random shifts, someone standing a few minutes in the zone and silencing for a set time the worst spammers (after sending then a whisper telling then to change their spam to the MA chat or to Local channel).
Not that I actually looked at the broadcasts... Even before the AE i changed the broadcasts on Global Tab to my favorite Global Channel. As I dont PUG, i dont need the broadcasts.
And now i have to go to work... Good day everyone...
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It was never my intention to "pick a nit" it just bugs me seeing people say things like "The devs couldn't do that because it would be like false advertising with the Architect edition on the shelves".
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I didn't read the rest, but I bought the game because of wanting to try out MA (I was on a trial). So yeah if I bought it then they removed it? I don't know what to call it but it would be wrong for sure.
I know...lets have another thread on this
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I know...lets have another thread on this
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Okay! Here you go!
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The devs COULD give up and shut the game down. Tomorrow.
The devs COULD all run mad with cleavers.
The devs COULD ...
Simply because they COULD do something doesn't mean there's a snowball's chance in Hell with the heat turned up that it's going to happen.
Now that you've picked your nit, you feel better?
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It was never my intention to "pick a nit" it just bugs me seeing people say things like "The devs couldn't do that because it would be like false advertising with the Architect edition on the shelves".
My only point (originally) was that there is no such thing as "false advertising" when it comes to MMO's. They frequently change in drastic ways from whatever is advertised on the original box(or even subsequent re-releases).
That was it. Nothing else. I didn't intend to imply that I thought they should or shouldn't do anything, only that they could if they chose.
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false advertising is what a jury says it is. That statement is not a bullet proof shield protecting them from liability. Just like a sign saying "management is not responsible for any injury" actually protects them from liability. If it was insurance companies would be in trouble.
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The only thing I can think of is a little marker that comes up next to a lvl 50 chars name that says if they spent most of their time in the AE building, or running dev content.
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They have already did this, all you have to do is look at the badges to find out if they have done AE mainly or Dev Content. The best way to find out if a person is aware of anything outside of MA.
no it really isn't. you don't know if it is a vet's second or third account. we have already had this discussion.
The only problem I see with MA farms is the accompanying spam. I can still find regular teams, or put them together myself. Except for the spam, nothing about MA gets in my way.
I mostly don't play blue side, so I don't quite get the fuss about Atlas Park -- it takes like an hour to solo enough to go elsewhere, and if the spam bothers you that much you can just go to Galaxy City instead. On the red side, Cap annoys me a lot though. The problem with the AE spam in Cap is that there is no other way for a villain to level from 15-20. Before you get to Cap you can find teams, and after you leave you can find teams, but for five levels no one that is in the zone leveling can penetrate the spam.
There are a few simple things that could be done to fix the problems:
1. Limit AE rewards to levels that would normally be available from stores in that zone. You could still bring your level 42 to group with buddies in AP or Cap, but you'd need to go to a level-appropriate zone to spend your tickets. This would encourage players to gravitate towards zones where they could play non-AE content, while still being only a minor hurdle for those who genuinely want to group with friends of lower levels.
2. Make an AE chat channel. Not something that you have to mess around with the chat interface to set up, but something with a button on the chat box. Something that every player mousing over interface items for the first time while learning the game will see. Announce it, and put it in the message of the day.
3. Give higher level zones the same access as lower level ones. The reason that Cap Au Diable is the hub for CoV is that it connect directly to every other zone except for the Pocket D (and you can teleport there). In addition, the trainer is near the AE building, and the zone has a Black Market, Tailor, and University. End game zones ought to be the same; lower level zones will be populated by alts and friends of lowbies, so there's no reason that end-game zones shouldn't have all the same conveniences.
The general idea is to encourage people to go to the right zones for their level rather than crowding into a low level zone. It's especially annoying since many of the people crowding the low level zones will refuse to team with people that are the right level for the zone.