280 Million Inf. for a Purple IO? That's Insane!
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Posted on: 2009-07-13 10:24 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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But I've not done a lot of TF's recently.
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If TF farmers insist on putting the extra time in to loot ultra rare items (not that anybody asked them to do so), then of course they should be compensated appropriately. But when we start talking about spending "millions" or even "billions" of inf. for an ultra rare item...
[/ QUOTE ]Okay, answer this question: How much should the ULTRA RAREST and MOST POWERFUL loot in this game go for? Remember, this is called "ultra rare"... not just rare but ultra!
Give me a number, now.
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Minimum? 5 million.
Tops? 20 million tops.
Any more, and I think the asking price is unreasonable (but again that's my own perception - others may disagree). And I say that because there are a lot of semi-rare lvl 50 recipes and IOs that have devalued to the point that they're not worth much more than 50k minimum to 2 million maximum.
That's why its hard for me to justify a huge jump in pricing from roughly 2 million to 280 million - or higher... That's why I say purples should start at 5 million. Its all a matter of perspective and competitive pricing.
I'm sure the Devs have better statistics than I regarding abnormal pricing fluctuations but I'd rather they work on I16 and GR than humor me on a hypothetical argument. 
Issue 9, titled Breakthrough, was a major revision to City of Heroes and City of Villains released on Tuesday, May 1, 2007.
You have found 9 since May 1st 2007. That is 805 days. That's one every 90 days or roughly one every 3 months.
They are also some of the most desired, most coveted and most powerful IOs in the game. How is it "irrational" or "unreasonable" that they are so expensive?
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If TF farmers insist on putting the extra time in to loot ultra rare items (not that anybody asked them to do so), then of course they should be compensated appropriately. But when we start talking about spending "millions" or even "billions" of inf. for an ultra rare item...
[/ QUOTE ]Okay, answer this question: How much should the ULTRA RAREST and MOST POWERFUL loot in this game go for? Remember, this is called "ultra rare"... not just rare but ultra!
Give me a number, now.
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Minimum? 5 million.
Tops? 20 million tops.
Any more, and I think the asking price is unreasonable (but again that's my own perception - others may disagree). And I say that because there are a lot of semi-rare lvl 50 recipes and IOs that have devalued to the point that they're not worth more than 50k minimum to 2 million maximum.
That's why I say purples should start at 5 million. Its all a matter of perspective and competitive pricing.
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I wish you ran the market. Since I usually make a billion influence every 7 to 10 days, I'd be able to buy up every single purple ever created and never let anyone else have them. Hell, at these prices, I'd just start destroying them for S&Gs.
- Ping (@iltat, @Pinghole)
Don't take it personally if you think I was mean to you. I'm an ******* to everyone.
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You have found 9 since May 1st 2007. That is 805 days. That's one every 90 days or roughly one every 3 months.
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Yes, but I'm a *casual* player....
Imagine how much more the hardcore TF farmer is earning and turning around for profit at market day after day, week after week, month after month... Given the volume of TF farmers operating on any given day in this game, there's always going to be purple recipes/IO's available at market as a result. All the more reason the pricing should go down...
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If there were absolutely zero purples available at market on any given, then I would say paying millions or even billions for an ultra rare for the rare times one would actually crop up at auction would be worth it.
As it stands now, there's plenty of purples in market inventory to be had - the asking prices for them however is inconsistent with their true value as "ultra rare" items.
But again, that's IMHO...
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If TF farmers insist on putting the extra time in to loot ultra rare items (not that anybody asked them to do so), then of course they should be compensated appropriately. But when we start talking about spending "millions" or even "billions" of inf. for an ultra rare item...
[/ QUOTE ]Okay, answer this question: How much should the ULTRA RAREST and MOST POWERFUL loot in this game go for? Remember, this is called "ultra rare"... not just rare but ultra!
Give me a number, now.
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Minimum? 5 million.
Tops? 20 million tops.
Any more, and I think the asking price is unreasonable (but again that's my own perception - others may disagree). And I say that because there are a lot of semi-rare lvl 50 recipes and IOs that have devalued to the point that they're not worth more than 50k minimum to 2 million maximum.
That's why I say purples should start at 5 million. Its all a matter of perspective and competitive pricing.
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I wish you ran the market. Since I usually make a billion influence every 7 to 10 days, I'd be able to buy up every single purple ever created and never let anyone else have them. Hell, at these prices, I'd just start destroying them for S&Gs.
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But I can and want to do that too 
How do the market gods divide the purples? Do we draw lots? Do we have to stand in line? Is it done by "need"?
Maybe we could just give it to the person willing to pay the most.
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True, but........
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There is no 'but'.
Make up all the fairy stories you want.
But the market is ruled by supply and demand, not your wishful thinking.
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You have found 9 since May 1st 2007. That is 805 days. That's one every 90 days or roughly one every 3 months.
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Yes, but I'm a *casual* player....
Imagine how much more the hardcore TF farmer is earning and turning around for profit at market day after day, week after week, month after month... Given the volume of TF farmers operating on any given day in this game, there's always going to be purple recipes/IO's available at market as a result. All the more reason the pricing should go down...
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You mean prices should go down when more people are now playing content that cannot drop purples?
I don't think it is a coincidence that Purple prices have significantly risen when players have a greater ability to produce inf relative to their ability to produce Purples.
Supply goes down, price goes up. That's all we are seeing here.
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True, but........
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There is no 'but'.
Make up all the fairy stories you want.
But the market is ruled by supply and demand, not your wishful thinking.
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I'm talking to a nethergoat...
You should be the last person on earth to lecture me about wishful thinking, lol.
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You have found 9 since May 1st 2007. That is 805 days. That's one every 90 days or roughly one every 3 months.
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Yes, but I'm a *casual* player....
Imagine how much more the hardcore TF farmer is earning and turning around for profit at market day after day, week after week, month after month... Given the volume of TF farmers operating on any given day in this game, there's always going to be purple recipes/IO's available at market as a result. All the more reason the pricing should go down...
[/ QUOTE ]Based on how many you've said you've found... you're NOT a casual player at all... or you're OBSCENELY lucky. You know how many purples I've gotten? 3. THREE. And I've done loads of Task Forces, and many farms.
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;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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If TF farmers insist on putting the extra time in to loot ultra rare items (not that anybody asked them to do so), then of course they should be compensated appropriately. But when we start talking about spending "millions" or even "billions" of inf. for an ultra rare item...
[/ QUOTE ]Okay, answer this question: How much should the ULTRA RAREST and MOST POWERFUL loot in this game go for? Remember, this is called "ultra rare"... not just rare but ultra!
Give me a number, now.
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Minimum? 5 million.
Tops? 20 million tops.
Any more, and I think the asking price is unreasonable (but again that's my own perception - others may disagree). And I say that because there are a lot of semi-rare lvl 50 recipes and IOs that have devalued to the point that they're not worth more than 50k minimum to 2 million maximum.
That's why I say purples should start at 5 million. Its all a matter of perspective and competitive pricing.
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I wish you ran the market. Since I usually make a billion influence every 7 to 10 days, I'd be able to buy up every single purple ever created and never let anyone else have them. Hell, at these prices, I'd just start destroying them for S&Gs.
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But I can and want to do that too How do the market gods divide the purples? Do we draw lots? Do we have to stand in line? Is it done by "need"?
Maybe we could just give it to the person willing to pay the most.
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No, no, no. We can't do that. They have to max out at 20 million. And some have to max out at 5 million. The only way we can decide this is to have a price cap placed on market transactions.
I wonder what would happen then...
- Ping (@iltat, @Pinghole)
Don't take it personally if you think I was mean to you. I'm an ******* to everyone.
It's a penguin thing. Pingu FTW.
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Based on how many you've said you've found... you're NOT a casual player at all... or you're OBSCENELY lucky. You know how many purples I've gotten? 3. THREE. And I've done loads of Task Forces, and many farms.
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Scout's honor: I play maybe once every two weeks now (that's not by choice either; I've had a 4hr daily work commute for the last 4 months - the result of taking a new job in a hurry after both hubby and I got laid off from our jobs within 2 weeks of each other - and both on our birthdays! You just go ahead and work out those crazy statistics! Oh the things we do to get by and survive nowadays...).
A year ago, I probably played for 2-3 nights a week but I only ran TF's on the weekends (about 1-2/month).
OMG you may actually have to work and save for something! This cannot continue.
The next thing you know similar things will start to happen in real life. I mean you won't be able to get that Farrari for $10k or a beach side mansion for 50k if stuff like this gets out. Everyone should just have the same amount of stuff no matter if they are a cashier at McDonalds or a CEO of a multi billion dollar company. It's just not fair.
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OMG you may actually have to work and save for something! This cannot continue.
The next thing you know similar things will start to happen in real life. I mean you won't be able to get that Farrari for $10k or a beach side mansion for 50k if stuff like this gets out. Everyone should just have the same amount of stuff no matter if they are a cashier at McDonalds or a CEO of a multi billion dollar company. It's just not fair.
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*frown* Now that's just mean.
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I wonder what would happen then...
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RagManX would throw a giant party in Pocket D?
And Smurph would double his net worth in 24 hours?
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Seriously, I can grind out 20 million in an hour without really thinking about it. That's far too low for a high end purple, I think.
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Based on how many you've said you've found... you're NOT a casual player at all... or you're OBSCENELY lucky. You know how many purples I've gotten? 3. THREE. And I've done loads of Task Forces, and many farms.
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Scout's honor: I play maybe once every two weeks now (that's not by choice either; I've had a 4hr daily work commute for the last 4 months - the result of taking a new job in a hurry after both hubby and I got laid off from our jobs within 2 weeks of each other - and both on our birthdays! You just go ahead and work out those crazy statistics! Oh the things we do to get by and survive nowadays...).
A year ago, I probably played for 2-3 nights a week but I only ran TF's on the weekends (about 1-2/month).
[/ QUOTE ]Then that puts you squarely in the "obscenely" lucky category... and you STILL don't seem to understand that purples have ZERO to do with task forces.
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Maybe we could just give it to the person willing to pay the most.
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I've had just about enough of your communist claptrap, bunny-man.
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If I needed money, I'd be willing to run the content to get one! (I think I've gotten 3 in the entire time they've been out.)
I'm more concerned about the 8500+ tickets on my 36 defender. Do you know how long it takes to burn through tickets when you're buying common salvage?
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280 Million Inf. for a Purple IO? That's Insane
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If I needed money, I'd be willing to run the content to get one! (I think I've gotten 3 in the entire time they've been out.)
I'm more concerned about the 8500+ tickets on my 36 defender. Do you know how long it takes to burn through tickets when you're buying common salvage?
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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You have found 9 since May 1st 2007. That is 805 days. That's one every 90 days or roughly one every 3 months.
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Yes, but I'm a *casual* player....
Imagine how much more the hardcore TF farmer is earning and turning around for profit at market day after day, week after week, month after month... Given the volume of TF farmers operating on any given day in this game, there's always going to be purple recipes/IO's available at market as a result. All the more reason the pricing should go down...
*edit*
If there were absolutely zero purples available at market on any given, then I would say paying millions or even billions for an ultra rare for the rare times one would actually crop up at auction would be worth it.
As it stands now, there's plenty of purples in market inventory to be had - the asking prices for them however is inconsistent with their true value as "ultra rare" items.
But again, that's IMHO...
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I consistently see 50+ bidders per purple item, with 2 or fewer available. In many cases, there are zero for sale. I'm impartial as to what the price should be - just let the market decide it.
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Based on how many you've said you've found... you're NOT a casual player at all... or you're OBSCENELY lucky. You know how many purples I've gotten? 3. THREE. And I've done loads of Task Forces, and many farms.
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Scout's honor: I play maybe once every two weeks now (that's not by choice either; I've had a 4hr daily work commute for the last 4 months - the result of taking a new job in a hurry after both hubby and I got laid off from our jobs within 2 weeks of each other - and both on our birthdays! You just go ahead and work out those crazy statistics! Oh the things we do to get by and survive nowadays...).
A year ago, I probably played for 2-3 nights a week but I only ran TF's on the weekends (about 1-2/month).
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I had the luck to get a two purples in the past two nights playing about 4 hours each night. It's not casual, but good luck does happen.
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Ok, let's stop it there a sec and clear something up:
"Ultra rare" items are fine.
Hysterical pricing of "ultra rare" items is not fine.
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OK, I see, like others, that you STILL do not GET the idea of the market.
WHO decides how much to pay for an enhancement???
(I'll wait a minute while you actually think about what the answer to that question is.)
OK, time's up.
The BUYER decides what he/she will pay. Scratch that, the buyer decides WHAT HE/SHE IS WILLING TO PAY.
Please, Please, PLEASE let that sink in for a few minutes.
If I am on a streetcorner, and on my table is a paper clip, with a tag attached that says "$1000", you'd probably look at it and walk right by.
So if you walked past, and another guy walks up, and gives me not just $1000, but $1500 for it, would you stop him because he shouldn't be allowed to do such a thing?
No one is forcing anyone to buy enhancements at any price.
HOW MANY TIMES MUST THIS BE EXPLAINED????
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Yeah, why I don't get why purples seem to be so...required to people. To get a stupid amount of set bonus accuracy and perma hasten if you have 5 LoTGs? Meh. It's a hazard of using Mids without keeping your mind grounded in how much that godmode build of yours is going to COST.
Having a lowest level a Miracle and Numina that I can float down to alts makes me happier than purples. Maybe if I hocked those for 200 million on the market I'd be able to buy a purple or two, but I like those more than some stinky purples. Get bored of the alt or it hits 50 I can just respec and float them out again.
Maybe if all these AE'd up 50s went out and did actual content they'd start coming into the market again. Those things will just keep raising in price as Artifact drops or something until that happens. Maybe Going Rogue will be 50-oriented and there'll be a new source of them in stomping around Praetorian Earth for fame and glory though.
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In the absence of any new content, some players became addicted to farming - regardless of supply and demand. The prices we're seeing now aren't reasonable - or even rationale.
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They're hysterical - and they're driven by addiction.
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Bravo!!! /clap you've figured out what MMO's are all about!!!!!
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