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Why in the world is this the only game I've played so far where it's impossible to transfer influence/infamy between YOUR OWN CHARACTERS without needed a stranger to help you out? And even then, let's say you do find someone and that person happens to keep the money or log off, do the GMs even help you out with anything in reimbursements??

How the hell am I supposed to give money to my lowbie toons??


 

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Find somebody that you can trust (make a friend), or risk the market transfers.

Other than that, you're going to need to take the risk that the person that you are using to help transfer some cash is trustworthy.


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Make your own SG...so then instead of asking someone to help you transfer influence you can ask someone to help you invite your alts to your SG.


 

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The short answer is that you're really not supposed to. It's not something the devs will ever officially support.

The longer answer is that the devs don't like it because it breaks character progression. Not being able to afford everything is an intended part of game. Being able to slot yourself with the best enhancements at each level makes you sort of disproportionately powerful at the lower levels.

There are, however, ways to get around this using the market. I'm not sure on the details, so I couldn't really elaborate.


 

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I do it for people all the time. If you want me to roll a toon on your server to help @inokis

Otherwise the other safest way is to make your own Personal Supergroup. I believe you can transfer that way so I've been told.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....ue#Post13697864


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How the hell am I supposed to give money to my lowbie toons??

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You're Not


 

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And even then, let's say you do find someone and that person happens to keep the money or log off, do the GMs even help you out with anything in reimbursements??

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If they reimbursed people because other players ripped them off, what would prevent anyone from coming to them with a made-up story and scoring free influence? Fine, so yours was stolen by an unscrupulous sort. Mine wasn't. But the GMs don't have any way of knowing that, do they?


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How the hell am I supposed to give money to my lowbie toons??

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Well...you don't.

The obvious conclusion is that the developers don't want us to easily transfer funds between our own characters...else they'd give us a proper system to do so.

Personally, I just ask players I trust.


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The SG thing seems like a safe way to do it...but still you can't transfer inf right? Just place enh bins and salvage racks.. bah. Never made an SG myself this will be interesting.

And yes, the GMs do have a way of finding out. It's called the chat and they can search for chats and agreements between two people (have you never been flagged for cussing out someone? Duh.)


 

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Supergroup storage bins can be used to transfer influence, in a round-about fashion.


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Is it really that difficult to make some friends in the game?


 

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I am an unabashed twinker of toons, and one way to give a new character a grubstake is to have an advanced one place an expensive piece of salvage or a crafted enhancement in SG base storage. The new toon then collects and sells the item at next log-in.

This may not be the most efficient method, but it's fairly risk-free, unless your SG is a bunch of thieves. (Which is why I only allow murderers in mine.)


 

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And even then, let's say you do find someone and that person happens to keep the money or log off, do the GMs even help you out with anything in reimbursements??

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If they reimbursed people because other players ripped them off, what would prevent anyone from coming to them with a made-up story and scoring free influence? Fine, so yours was stolen by an unscrupulous sort. Mine wasn't. But the GMs don't have any way of knowing that, do they?

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They do, however its still not their issue, its a player judgement issue. They can see what trades took place and when but there is really no reason for them to take action when person a gives person b funds freely.


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How the hell am I supposed to give money to my lowbie toons??

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The behavior is not forbidden, but there is no reason the developers should encourage it, and indications are that they don't care for the practice.


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Argh. Yeah I guess I'll look into that trading salv/enh between toons then. Thanks for the info all, greatly appreciated!

Just wishful thinking, that little storage safe in base/city bldgs should so let people transfer their own money between their own alts

Oh well, maybe CO has it


 

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And yes, the GMs do have a way of finding out. It's called the chat and they can search for chats and agreements between two people

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It's not quite that simple. Looking for certain words or phrases is pretty easy; interpreting an agreement between two people is more complex. If I ask you, "Can you help me transfer some inf?" and you say, "Sure," that seems pretty cut and dried, but if you log off in-between, you could claim that you'd helped me transfer it to a third party, or to a character on another account, or to a character on a different server, or to a friend, or to an SG-mate who wasn't online at the time, or to me at a later time, or to any number of other people/characters. Unless people are extraordinarily careful about the way they word things, there are a lot of ways to weasel out of an agreement. That's why legal contracts are so complicated, and why it's often a good idea to have someone who went to college specifically to learn that special terminology there to make sure everyone's getting exactly what they're agreeing to, and that everyone understands what they're agreeing to. To ask that of the GMs is a bit unfair.

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(have you never been flagged for cussing out someone? Duh.)

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Can't say that I have, since I don't tend to act like a jerk in-game. Duh.


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Why in the world is this the only game I've played so far where it's impossible to transfer influence/infamy between YOUR OWN CHARACTERS without needed a stranger to help you out? And even then, let's say you do find someone and that person happens to keep the money or log off, do the GMs even help you out with anything in reimbursements??

How the hell am I supposed to give money to my lowbie toons??

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According to your reg date, you've had the account for at least three years and eight months. Surely you've made at least a few friends, joined one supergroup or learned any of the numerous methods of transferring items or inf* to other characters on your account in that time.


 

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Why in the world is this the only game I've played so far where it's impossible to transfer influence/infamy between YOUR OWN CHARACTERS without needed a stranger to help you out? And even then, let's say you do find someone and that person happens to keep the money or log off, do the GMs even help you out with anything in reimbursements??

How the hell am I supposed to give money to my lowbie toons??

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Officially, the devs don't like twinking. Thus, they're not going to do anything that actively aids it. 'course, you don't really even need to anymore if you even half know the market...




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(have you never been flagged for cussing out someone? Duh.)

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Nope. But that's because I actually honor the agreements I make. Honesty, what a concept, huh?




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I am an unabashed twinker of toons, and one way to give a new character a grubstake is to have an advanced one place an expensive piece of salvage or a crafted enhancement in SG base storage. The new toon then collects and sells the item at next log-in.

This may not be the most efficient method, but it's fairly risk-free, unless your SG is a bunch of thieves. (Which is why I only allow murderers in mine.)

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When my high level characters are out roaming the streets, I will often save all the high level SOs I get as drops and put them in one of my group's enhancement bins (I call it The Feedbag). Then I log in a lowbie, pick up a full rack of SOs, and sell them at a vendor. That is generally enough to get me through the teens.


 

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Wow, don't fall from the high horse or you might fall in your own hypocrisy or [censored].


 

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Wow, don't fall from the high horse or you might fall in your own hypocrisy or [censored].

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Wow, don't sprain anything stretching to take a potshot at me or anything.




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As others have suggested, use the market to transfer influence or infamy. Honestly, it is not that risky if you do it right. I almost always hold onto the pre-level 10 training enhancements that drop for new characters. To transfer cash between characters, I will go to the market and have my lowbie character find a low level TO that no one is bidding on AND offering for sale (meaning zero bidders, zero sellers), and put it up (honestly, usually a fear TO).
I then immediately log off that character and switch to my moneybags, who puts up what I want to transfer (taking into account the transaction fee), making sure that there is only one TO of that type offered (so I know it is mine). The exchange is immediate and easy and takes usually less than 5 minutes.


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