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The Ae is working as intended? no problems? What a load of crap. A vast majority, almost all of AE usage is for farming. Farming is an exploit. Not working as intended.
If the Devs removed 50% xp from all AE missions that aren't Devs Choice or HoF, it would completely cut out the farming. The only reason to play the AE would be for it's actual purpose...which is to make and play quality story arcs and missions with creative and thought out stories, charcters, and dialogue. If everyone quit playing AE because they could only use it as intended instead of farming the [censored] out of it, then that just makes the AE a complete failure. Not my problem.
If they leave the AE in game as is, IMO they are giving the green light to farmers and PLers. They are basicly saying let this game turn into a cesspool of farmers that will burn out and die, because we don't want our precious AE to be deemed a failure.
Bottom line is this game has changed for the worse since AE. Don't waste your breath telling me otherwise. I've been here for over four years and I know. This game makes be sick right now. If they want games like CO to crush CoX, they are setting up the perfect storm by letting this [censored] happen. Mark my words, stop the excessive farming, especially in Cap and Atlas, or this game will not survive. People that farm all day everyday burn out. They get tired of their repetative existance and they quit, they move on. If this game chases away it's true fan base for a bunch of noob farmers, they might make a killing right now, but will be dead a year from now.
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The only reason to play the AE would be for it's actual purpose...which is to make and play quality story arcs and missions with creative and thought out stories, charcters, and dialogue.
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Give me a book instead. AE arcs that have quality? Yeah. None of that crap is the next Tolstoy or Shakespeare.
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People that farm all day everyday burn out. They get tired of their repetative existance and they quit, they move on.
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You guys can keep arguing back and forth.
They can nerf all they want, it doesn't really affect me. I will still farm. I will still PL. I will still get my rewards at a more efficiently fast manner.
I play how I want to. I'm a PLer. I'm a Farmer. I find it fun.
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How about a happy medium? Cut XP by 1/2 in the AE. Also, Make it so that one needs to be of a Zone's level or lower to use a given AE. That way 50s would go to PI and still be able to PL people, and lvl 1s could use the AE in Atlas to play actual content.
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AE is not actual content.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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The purpose of MA is to facilitate player created content for a game.
No, it is not just about storytelling. It has never been just about storytelling. Those who keep banging this drum about "story", claiming it's the end-all-be-all of MA's "intended purpose" keep conveniently ignoring the context in which MA exists.
This is a game.
As such, risk and reward are implicit in the fundamental design. It is by design that players are supposed to be able to utilize MA as an alternative to regular content. Significantly diminish experience gain, and it will no longer practically or meaningfully be that alternative. It will no longer be fulfilling its "intended purpose". It will no longer be part of the game.
And, by the way, it's already dangerously close to that status now. As it is, trying to level up solo in MA is significantly slower than it is outside of it. So much so, that I don't even consider it worth pursuing when solo or on small teams. And, judging by market activity, I'm not alone in that assessment. So maybe the MA is (allegedly) dominated by power-levelers because the rewards aren't meaningful enough for anyone outside of maxed-out farm teams. Maybe they need to be increased, not slashed.
Which brings me to another point that apparently has to be reiterated. No, not everyone is using MA. It's just not possible. A significant number of people have gone back to doing regular content. Market activity shows this to be inarguably the case. Just because they're not doing it with you, doesn't mean they're not doing it at all.
MA is brand new and it's been introduced at a time when there's not much in the way of new stuff outside of it. It's going to be a while before its impact on the environment settles. Attempting to enforce pre-MA conditions with ham-fisted, draconian "solutions" like "cut MA XP in half" would be short-sighted and ill-advised.
MA is a significant development, a game-changing addition to the environment. Expecting it to be integrated seamlessly without any upset to the (alleged) status quo is, I'd say, more than a little unreasonable. The cries of "it's killing the game!" are grossly premature and, frankly, aren't at all supported by my own experiences. In fact, from my vantage, it's actually revitalized the game quite a bit. I've seen people returning that I haven't seen in months, sometimes years.
In short, it's going to be some time before it can be accurately determined if MA needs to be "fixed" at all. Putting ideas out there are fine, just in case, but claims that they need to be implemented RITE NAO are just an indication to me that MA's not being given a fair shake by the person making the claim. It's waaaay too early to declare anything definitive about it's permanent usage.
And thus way too early to do anything so drastic that it very well might destroy the feature entirely.
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What purpose does XP have in AE.
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As a draw for the 98% of players who would otherwise ignore it completely.
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What purpose does XP have in AE.
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The Ae is working as intended? no problems? What a load of crap. A vast majority, almost all of AE usage is for farming. Farming is an exploit. Not working as intended.
If the Devs removed 50% xp from all AE missions that aren't Devs Choice or HoF, it would completely cut out the farming. The only reason to play the AE would be for it's actual purpose...which is to make and play quality story arcs and missions with creative and thought out stories, charcters, and dialogue. If everyone quit playing AE because they could only use it as intended instead of farming the [censored] out of it, then that just makes the AE a complete failure. Not my problem.
If they leave the AE in game as is, IMO they are giving the green light to farmers and PLers. They are basicly saying let this game turn into a cesspool of farmers that will burn out and die, because we don't want our precious AE to be deemed a failure.
Bottom line is this game has changed for the worse since AE. Don't waste your breath telling me otherwise. I've been here for over four years and I know. This game makes be sick right now. If they want games like CO to crush CoX, they are setting up the perfect storm by letting this [censored] happen. Mark my words, stop the excessive farming, especially in Cap and Atlas, or this game will not survive. People that farm all day everyday burn out. They get tired of their repetative existance and they quit, they move on. If this game chases away it's true fan base for a bunch of noob farmers, they might make a killing right now, but will be dead a year from now.
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All this from a person that stands in CAP on his 50 Brute Jacobi Law spamming broadcast for his farm. Brilliant!
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Keep in mind that although the primary purpose for the AE is creating stories, I'm very sure that this doesn't appeal to everyone and only to a specific niche of the playerbase who do enjoy creating their own content. Alot of us like to jump into the action of things and hence its why we pay our monthly sub. It's not the lack of creativity nor laziness that players don't try creating their own arcs, it's not something that we look forward to in the game.
And since it has been stated by the devs that the AE is an alternative way to get from lvl 1 to 50, you can more or less drop this suggestion.
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Also. Some of us who enjoy creating or seeing stories enjoy getting a level up every now and then while experiencing the stories. oddly enough. Liking levelups does NOT preclude you from wan ting to read textl
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If the Devs removed 50% xp from all AE missions that aren't Devs Choice or HoF, it would completely cut out the farming.
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And would relegate MA to the storyteller clique of a few dozen people (being generous here) AND NOBODY ELSE.
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And not even the good storytellers, at that. I bet you a hundred to one every last damn one of us who's actually got a highly acclaimed arc would stop giving a [censored].
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You guys can keep arguing back and forth.
They can nerf all they want, it doesn't really affect me. I will still farm. I will still PL. I will still get my rewards at a more efficiently fast manner.
I play how I want to. I'm a PLer. I'm a Farmer. I find it fun.
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You silly goose. Havent you been listening to them? The only way to have fun in a game is to write the next Citizen Kane and expect it to get 1000+ votes with no exp attached to it while you sit around in radio Mission pugs all day and the AE lies silent. Any other method for playing the game is definitely not fun, and you just play the game to ruin other peoples fun.
*eyeroll*
and on a more amusing note. I challenge any of these "the MA doesnt need xp" types to turn off their exp in their options settings and then play AE missions all day. Oh. and any tickets or influence you get You are required to throw away and not use.
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and on a more amusing note. I challenge any of these "the MA doesnt need xp" types to turn off their exp in their options settings and then play AE missions all day. Oh. and any tickets or influence you get You are required to throw away and not use.
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I have spent upwards of six hours with my lvl 50 Brute randomly picking and playing AE missions. No XP, and negligible tickets. Since I almost never transfer cash between characters, that's about as close to 0 reward as you can get.
Here is a thought... am I as a paying subscriber of my favorite game CoX, get to enjoy the game how I see fit?
I have been playing CoX since issue 8 came out and have seen the game progress greatly in my 3 years of game-play. I've seen Regen get nerfed at least 6 times.. but I don't play regens so it doesn't bother me. Many friends of mine DID until they nerfed it time and again. I've even seen some of those friends rage quit. They have nerf'd certain farming missions used to PL others such as the family mish with Unia K in PI. It now has minimal XP and rewards. The DEVs do their best to limit/dissuage PL farming. 'Farming' is anything someone does to obtain a certain goal.. like getting the illusionist badge which would take like forever otherwise! Farming for rewards such as recipies so you don't have to fight the exuberant market prices for such as LoTG or Posi Blast and such. Farming for Inf so you can get enough inf to buy purples. Regular farming will always be in any MMO. Even without XP in AE missions, some people will still farm. Unless you remove ALL rewards in MA and thus make it completely useless to all but a few.
I play CoX regularly and find it to be a great passtime for me. I have tried many aspects of CoX. I have played the game thru from lvl 2-50 (Outbreak to actually have all contacts done) and even turned of XP gain to actually enjoy ALL the story arcs blue side that I could. ( I think I missed only 2% of the contacts ) While I found that extremely enjoyable story wise, turning off the XP gain made for a very... very long jaunt to 50. I will admit, I like the flashy 'ding' with gaining lvls. I enjoy the end content with my lvl 50's. Even if there is not much of it compared to games such as WoW and whatnot. I have PL'd one of my toons from 14-46 before using standard PI PL farming teams. I have helped members of my SG gain faster lvls with some of thier toons so they could enjoy doing an ITF or LGTF with that toon. I like to play all aspects of the game. Whether it is the awesome and fun grind. The slow and arduous journey of completing all the story arcs I can. Completing every TF I can stand. Farming for recipies/tickets/badges/influence.
While I do not consider myself a PL'er, I have helped out a few friends and SG mates. While I do not consider myself a Farmer, I farm on occasion. While I do not consider myself a writer, I have made some story arcs. I do consider myself an avid CoX fan and gamer. I grind and play my main more than I do anything else in game. When I have earned a considerable gain of Influence, I hold Costume Contests in Atlas. I hang out with known friends and chat in Atlas.
I have read the forums and posted very little. It seems to me that there are a good portion of players who absolutely loathe any kind of farming whatsoever. I am sure that I will be labled as one of the 'bad guys' by these people as I admited to farming and even PLing friends. I honestly think that many people who do PL and farm all the time don't read the forums or just don't want to post anything and get labled or have the DEVs crack down on them. I say this... we are in an imperfect world with imperfect people. You can please some of the people all the time but not all the people all the time.
If you have not been able to find good PUGs since the 'innovation' of MA, join the club. I have not been able to find good players to team with since it's induction of MA myself. I do, however; have a great many friends on my global who play just as much, if not more, than I do. I can always find a team.
If they removed MA from the game, I would not be offended or upset in any way. There are others who would. If they removed rewards in MA such as XP, I would simply not use that aspect of the game. Others would stop playing all together.
In the end, I find that tolerance of others behavior helps me deal with the annoying aspects of some players. While I do not agree with the whole PL process, it happens. Heck, I have done it! Never have I PL'd anyone who I haven't gone thru the grind with and who didn't already have at least 2 lvl 50's already. I guess that is my situational ethics comming into play.
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The Ae is working as intended? no problems? What a load of crap. A vast majority, almost all of AE usage is for farming. Farming is an exploit. Not working as intended.
If the Devs removed 50% xp from all AE missions that aren't Devs Choice or HoF, it would completely cut out the farming. The only reason to play the AE would be for it's actual purpose...which is to make and play quality story arcs and missions with creative and thought out stories, charcters, and dialogue. If everyone quit playing AE because they could only use it as intended instead of farming the [censored] out of it, then that just makes the AE a complete failure. Not my problem.
If they leave the AE in game as is, IMO they are giving the green light to farmers and PLers. They are basicly saying let this game turn into a cesspool of farmers that will burn out and die, because we don't want our precious AE to be deemed a failure.
Bottom line is this game has changed for the worse since AE. Don't waste your breath telling me otherwise. I've been here for over four years and I know. This game makes be sick right now. If they want games like CO to crush CoX, they are setting up the perfect storm by letting this [censored] happen. Mark my words, stop the excessive farming, especially in Cap and Atlas, or this game will not survive. People that farm all day everyday burn out. They get tired of their repetative existance and they quit, they move on. If this game chases away it's true fan base for a bunch of noob farmers, they might make a killing right now, but will be dead a year from now.
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All this from a person that stands in CAP on his 50 Brute Jacobi Law spamming broadcast for his farm. Brilliant!
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Liers go to hell.
Look in the mirror mate because that is what are doing.
Oh BTW, I did notice the removal of the other farm you use to have in your sig.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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and on a more amusing note. I challenge any of these "the MA doesnt need xp" types to turn off their exp in their options settings and then play AE missions all day. Oh. and any tickets or influence you get You are required to throw away and not use.
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I have spent upwards of six hours with my lvl 50 Brute randomly picking and playing AE missions. No XP, and negligible tickets. Since I almost never transfer cash between characters, that's about as close to 0 reward as you can get.
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ZOMG you didnt get XP at level 50?
Do the same with a level 1 -10 and see if you miss getting XP then.
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You guys can keep arguing back and forth.
They can nerf all they want, it doesn't really affect me. I will still farm. I will still PL. I will still get my rewards at a more efficiently fast manner.
I play how I want to. I'm a PLer. I'm a Farmer. I find it fun.
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You silly goose. Havent you been listening to them? The only way to have fun in a game is to write the next Citizen Kane and expect it to get 1000+ votes with no exp attached to it while you sit around in radio Mission pugs all day and the AE lies silent. Any other method for playing the game is definitely not fun, and you just play the game to ruin other peoples fun.
*eyeroll*
and on a more amusing note. I challenge any of these "the MA doesnt need xp" types to turn off their exp in their options settings and then play AE missions all day. Oh. and any tickets or influence you get You are required to throw away and not use.
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Awww man. 
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and on a more amusing note. I challenge any of these "the MA doesnt need xp" types to turn off their exp in their options settings and then play AE missions all day. Oh. and any tickets or influence you get You are required to throw away and not use.
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I have spent upwards of six hours with my lvl 50 Brute randomly picking and playing AE missions. No XP, and negligible tickets. Since I almost never transfer cash between characters, that's about as close to 0 reward as you can get.
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ZOMG you didnt get XP at level 50?
Do the same with a level 1 -10 and see if you miss getting XP then.
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The point of my post was to indicate that some of us are perfectly happy to explore content that gives no benefits.
I don't do the AE on lowbies usually, since it means I miss out on things like achievement badges and certain missions I particularly enjoy, like the Seer Marino Arc, or stuff in the Rikti War Zone or Cimerora.
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We already have a place that you can go to that will give you a fun and interesting game experience that is different from all of the developer content, that also gives no XP.
It's called the Arena.
Maybe you've heard of this Arena. Statistically speaking it's unlikely that your character has ever been in one though. The Arenas are dead. I wonder why that is.
If you kill XP in the AE it'll quickly become as dead and empty as the Arena. The devs know this, which is why they've attempted to discourage powerleveling, rather than simply remove XP altogether.
Ok,
I think we're starting to repeat ourselves here. I think the OP get's the message. Besides a few posters in here who've been around long enough to know better than to suggest cutting XP in AE, we're mostly just agreeing with each other.
Yes the AE does need XP. Everything is fine. Let's move on.
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I have spent upwards of six hours with my lvl 50 Brute randomly picking and playing AE missions. No XP, and negligible tickets. Since I almost never transfer cash between characters, that's about as close to 0 reward as you can get.
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I've spent a lot more time than that on my 50 to get tickets and inf to buy the last few IO's I want for him. He spent most of the 40's in there and I've played him a ton at level 50 in there. The rewards are actually fantastic, so no. This doesn't count.
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Liers go to hell.
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Really? What a shame that a whole town is condemned just for where they live . . .
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I have spent upwards of six hours with my lvl 50 Brute randomly picking and playing AE missions. No XP, and negligible tickets. Since I almost never transfer cash between characters, that's about as close to 0 reward as you can get.
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if you honestly think the tickets from 6 hours of play are negligible, you either have some poorly designed arcs you're playing or you just fail miserably at markets
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The point of my post was to indicate that some of us are perfectly happy to explore content that gives no benefits.
I don't do the AE on lowbies usually, since it means I miss out on things like achievement badges and certain missions I particularly enjoy, like the Seer Marino Arc, or stuff in the Rikti War Zone or Cimerora.
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So, in other words. you enjoy progress. even if it only means badges you cannot get from the AE? Well, then I think you just failed your own logic on playing stuff without needing a reward for it.
After all. if you truly can enjoy the AE without any reward for it ever, why arent you skipping those arcs to enjoy "great storytelling?" Or better yet, lets strip out those badges from those arcs. Seer marino no longer gives any exp at all and no badges. Good to know you'd still be there to play it, right?
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and on a more amusing note. I challenge any of these "the MA doesnt need xp" types to turn off their exp in their options settings and then play AE missions all day. Oh. and any tickets or influence you get You are required to throw away and not use.
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I have spent upwards of six hours with my lvl 50 Brute randomly picking and playing AE missions. No XP, and negligible tickets. Since I almost never transfer cash between characters, that's about as close to 0 reward as you can get.
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if you honestly think the tickets from 6 hours of play are negligible, you either have some poorly designed arcs you're playing or you just fail miserably at markets
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The point of my post was to indicate that some of us are perfectly happy to explore content that gives no benefits.
I don't do the AE on lowbies usually, since it means I miss out on things like achievement badges and certain missions I particularly enjoy, like the Seer Marino Arc, or stuff in the Rikti War Zone or Cimerora.
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So, in other words. you enjoy progress. even if it only means badges you cannot get from the AE? Well, then I think you just failed your own logic on playing stuff without needing a reward for it.
After all. if you truly can enjoy the AE without any reward for it ever, why arent you skipping those arcs to enjoy "great storytelling?" Or better yet, lets strip out those badges from those arcs. Seer marino no longer gives any exp at all and no badges. Good to know you'd still be there to play it, right?
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So we agree there are all sorts of rewards in this game besides XP. As a result, removing XP from the AE, since it is only one of many reward, isn't really all that drastic a thing, is it?
You guys can keep arguing back and forth.
They can nerf all they want, it doesn't really affect me. I will still farm. I will still PL. I will still get my rewards at a more efficiently fast manner.
I play how I want to. I'm a PLer. I'm a Farmer. I find it fun.