For me, there's a *major* difference between someone yelling "SB please!" and "Hey, can I get a SB?" along with a major difference between "Eww! Ice Shields! Don't buff me!" and "Could you not ice armor me please?"
Then again, that phrase alone isn't enough. If someone is being a jerk before asking politely to not buffed, the politeness will not be there in my mind and I'll take it as a sarcastic way of asking to not have it. People being nice and polite the entire time will keep the impression of their words being as such. It's just the people that are snobs and the like that makes me vicious in my buffing them when they don't want it and not buffing it when they ask for it. Then again, that could just be me.
50s: Bla- Arch/Mental Cont- Mind/FF, Earth/Cold, Ill/Therm, Earth/Rad Dominator- Plant/Psi, Elec/Earth Corr- Fire/Storm, Arch/Sonic, Rad/Kin, Beam/Sonic, Psi/Time Stalker- Elec/SR Def- Storm/Dark, Emp/Psi, Dark/Elec, FF/Arch, TA/Ice, TA/Elec, Kin/AR, Cold/DP, Traps/Psi Scrap- Fire/Shield Tanker- Dark/Mace, Ice/Kin Brute- Claws/WP, SS/Energy, BS/Elec
I can't wait to see that foaming at the mouth once they allow me to tint the bubbles I give people neon pink! 
This thread makes me want to roll a Kinetics Defender, slot Speed Boost with three run speed enhancements, two range enhancements, and a recharge enhancement, and then just park myself in the Atlas Park AE building and randomly buff people all day.
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So, I've been playing my new Force Field / Dark Blast Defender for a little over a month now, and I ran into this the other day.
"Don't bubble me, please. And turn off your big bubble. I don't like the way they look on my toon. Nothing against you personally."
Now, I've been playing the game off and on for four years. I've heard of people asking not to be speed boosted, and asking Thermals not to buff them. This is the first time I can ever recall someone asking not to be bubbled, and for Dispersion Bubble to be turned off. WTF?
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At least they were nice about it instead of "stp bbling me u [censored] !!"
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This thread makes me want to roll a Kinetics Defender, slot Speed Boost with three run speed enhancements, two range enhancements, and a recharge enhancement, and then just park myself in the Atlas Park AE building and randomly buff people all day.
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I did that for a weekend, it was evil but fun. I have also 6 slotted Nova for KB, that was pretty fun too for a few days.
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For me, there's a *major* difference between someone yelling "SB please!" and "Hey, can I get a SB?" along with a major difference between "Eww! Ice Shields! Don't buff me!" and "Could you not ice armor me please?"
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Agreed. In my case, if someone asks if I want a buff and it's one of the ones that bothers me I simply say "No thanks." If a team member gives me a fire shield (for example), I ask them to keep me out of the rebuffing rotation, and I don't flip out over accidents. Being polite always works best for me the few times I join PuGs.
And, to explain some of the confusion over how one buff/type of buff can change things, when it comes to me it tends to depend on several in and out of game factors. If I've already had a minor headache when I started playing, or if I've been playing for hours already, it's easier for one or two buffs to bother me. The combination of buffs and lighting in certain maps have an effect as well, such as cave maps or outdoor maps at night. Cold buffs and ice armor can trigger me in the same sort of way that bright headlights at night can.
To be honest, buffs aren't the only things that can trigger headaches and migraines for me, but most of the other factors (playing a melee character on a team with TA and fire or Longbow nullifier debuffs), are ones that I can control better. Like I said before, I'm a masochist.
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Had a /DA scrapper once ask me not to bubble him because his toggles and attacks took all his endurance. Said he couldn't afford to use more end running bubbles, too. After I explained to him that the bubbles cost me endurance and not him, he was happy to have them, and became a very effective aggro magnet.
Many people just don't understand the game outside of what they play (and sadly, many don't even understand the stuff they do play). Often, it's lack of experience, but sometimes it willful ignorance.
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I can understand some buffs and not wanting them due to some graphics issue/motion issues.
But if someone told me to not us a blast like Explosive Arrow I would tell them to piss off and find another team. That is just redonkuless.
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Well Hobo, I could see his point. The attack's KB proc had gone off just before he said it, so I figured he was worried about knocking enemies into unagroed groups.
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Unless the enemy had an AoE toggle debuff or a scrapper on him your teammate didn't really have much to worry about. Mobs can only aggro other members of their spawn without outside help. (Like a scrapper or Enervating Field.)
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Yep, that was pointed out. Sorry 'bout that. You'll recover, I trust?
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Way to snark while apologizing. Very classy.
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And if you're going to complain about bouncing into walls, that's really one of the only things that will elicit a "L2P, n00b" response from me. I can believe that this is a potentially difficult skill to learn, but if getting a SB ruins your ability to line up cones, I think that's an excuse to SB you more so you get the practice you need. From my personal experience playing dark blast defenders, it's a lot of fun to get all that stuff to line up with the speed boost; when I'm on my kin/dark and Siphon Speed misses, I get annoyed because I can't move as fast.
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Again though, rather than be a jerk and insist that people who are less effective with the buff take it "so they can L2P n00b" as you say, wouldn't it be better for all involved if you just showed a little common courtesy to the people who politely ask to not be SB'd? Or is "common courtesy" a foreign concept to people who think that all buffs are good all the time?
Less frustration for the people who do have issues with it. Less time arguing on teams about why someone should or shouldn't have to take the Speed Boost. As others have noted, not everyone needs the extra End recovery, Recharge, or especially the movement speed of Speed Boost.
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They're not good with the speed because they don't have any experience with moving so quickly. If you don't SB them against their will, however will they learn?
That said, the only power I'll ask people to never use is Tornado. There's a right and wrong time for tornado. I'm not sure what the right times are, but it's always the wrong time for tornado.
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And if you're going to complain about bouncing into walls, that's really one of the only things that will elicit a "L2P, n00b" response from me. I can believe that this is a potentially difficult skill to learn, but if getting a SB ruins your ability to line up cones, I think that's an excuse to SB you more so you get the practice you need. From my personal experience playing dark blast defenders, it's a lot of fun to get all that stuff to line up with the speed boost; when I'm on my kin/dark and Siphon Speed misses, I get annoyed because I can't move as fast.
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Again though, rather than be a jerk and insist that people who are less effective with the buff take it "so they can L2P n00b" as you say, wouldn't it be better for all involved if you just showed a little common courtesy to the people who politely ask to not be SB'd? Or is "common courtesy" a foreign concept to people who think that all buffs are good all the time?
Less frustration for the people who do have issues with it. Less time arguing on teams about why someone should or shouldn't have to take the Speed Boost. As others have noted, not everyone needs the extra End recovery, Recharge, or especially the movement speed of Speed Boost.
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They're not good with the speed because they don't have any experience with moving so quickly. If you don't SB them against their will, however will they learn?
That said, the only power I'll ask people to never use is Tornado. There's a right and wrong time for tornado. I'm not sure what the right times are, but it's always the wrong time for tornado.
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I don't know about Tornado but I've used Water spout several times during a team wipe with my stalker and it gave everyone enough time to collect themselves. Also AV's and EB's love Tornado muahaha!
I do have to chuckle at one thing when the team thanks the stalker for keeping the team alive you can't help but smile with a big ole' $#@%-faced grin.
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They're not good with the speed because they don't have any experience with moving so quickly. If you don't SB them against their will, however will they learn?
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Super Speed? Play too many Sonic games?
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They're not good with the speed because they don't have any experience with moving so quickly. If you don't SB them against their will, however will they learn?
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i realize this may be hard to understand, but Speedboost's +speed can be harmful to someone's control capabilities even if they are use to high rates of movement. Narrow caves, small ledges you have to use accurate adjustments on, needing to move precicely to use a cone effectively. All these things can be fouled up by speed boost. Even if your use to high rates of movement, fine control is nearly impossible when moving too fast.
The things that allow Madam Enigma to be effective due to high speed include a cone attack which has a very wide and forgiving cone. Another part is that the character doesn't require precision movement, just running up to the enemy and spazing out. My warshade though does need more control. If I'm trying to heal for instance there's a huge difference between being able to accurately gadge my movement and being speed boosted. I don't always complain, but I've wasted stygian circle many times due to speed boost. I'll be trying to heal, and due to the +speed I'll go past the pile of corpses by a few feet, thus not get that heal I need mid combat.
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It's one thing to ask for no bubbles... to ask you to turn off Dispersion Bubble? Ridiculous. That hurts EVERYONE. Disp. Bubble even gives mild mez protection. Who the hell wants to spite the whole team by having that turned off?
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That's what a good Storm player comes in handy. They know when and how to use it effectively. Don't dismiss a power only because multiple people don't know how to properly use it or when to use it.
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And if you're going to complain about bouncing into walls, that's really one of the only things that will elicit a "L2P, n00b" response from me. I can believe that this is a potentially difficult skill to learn, but if getting a SB ruins your ability to line up cones, I think that's an excuse to SB you more so you get the practice you need. From my personal experience playing dark blast defenders, it's a lot of fun to get all that stuff to line up with the speed boost; when I'm on my kin/dark and Siphon Speed misses, I get annoyed because I can't move as fast.
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Again though, rather than be a jerk and insist that people who are less effective with the buff take it "so they can L2P n00b" as you say, wouldn't it be better for all involved if you just showed a little common courtesy to the people who politely ask to not be SB'd? Or is "common courtesy" a foreign concept to people who think that all buffs are good all the time?
Less frustration for the people who do have issues with it. Less time arguing on teams about why someone should or shouldn't have to take the Speed Boost. As others have noted, not everyone needs the extra End recovery, Recharge, or especially the movement speed of Speed Boost.
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They're not good with the speed because they don't have any experience with moving so quickly. If you don't SB them against their will, however will they learn?
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*shakes head* How about you read the bolded portion again and explain how much you're helping someone by making the game less enjoyable for them?
Personally I'd kick you in a heartbeat if you pulled that stunt on my teams. If it's your team, or the team leader approves, that's great, but those are teams I would not be staying with, and I suspect neither would the people who disagree with you.
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That said, the only power I'll ask people to never use is Tornado. There's a right and wrong time for tornado. I'm not sure what the right times are, but it's always the wrong time for tornado.
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There is a right time and wrong time for many powers. It's not a simple binary of yes or no. I have Tornado on my storm/elec defender. Most people will never know she has it until all hell breaks loose though.
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You would have to be crazy not to want every mother-loving buff out there on your toon. Unfortunately, some crazy people do play this game.
So, let me get this straight, you *don't* want to be an invincible tank mage? Really? Do you use inspirations? Do you slot and enhance your powers? *sigh*
I don't buy the GFX card excuses either. What exactly do they do when they fight a villain type that is heavy in particles, like rad blasting foes, or fire? If your box can't play the game (and this game is like, what, 5 years old now?) you need to upgrade, NOT become more or less dead weight on the team.
And tankers in caves who don't want SB.. L2P. There. I said it!
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You'd need one hell of a bad card, too.
I mean. before I got my GEForce 8500 GX, I was running an onboard radeon that could barely run CoH.
I had no issues with buffs. why? I had everything set to bare minimum so none of the nasty particle effects that make [censored] like Thermal Armors so graphically demanding even showed up.
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Into every "Don't buff me thread" a little Speed Boost must fall. Poor Kins, damned if you do, damed if you don't.
That's why I team with Pinball Wizards...Kins only, SB flows freely and zero complaints. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee
One of my toons doesn't accept buffs from magic or psi based toons, but that is for concept reasons & I accept my toon dropping due to it. He is a Kat/WP so it isn't like buffs are essential to his survival.
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Why wouldn't you use it, and it's cousins Burn and Waterspout, vs AVs? They don't run from it (well most don't, I haven't tried it on every AV) and it does great damage along with a defense debuff (and stun, though that's probably not relevant vs AVs unless you've got other stunners stacking while PToD are down).
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And Speed Boost isn't good for ANYONE on that multi-tiered cave map *shudders*. A slightly faster refresh (on a generally already full attack chain by level 16 anyway) isn't going to help if you keep falling 6 stories below your target.
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You probably already know this but, on that map: Start on the bottom level and work up. Much better to fall into an area you've already cleared. And someone WILL fall.
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The only acceptable solution is quitting the mission and hitting auto-complete. [censored] that map.
Anyway, if I ask for a specific single-target whatsit to not be applied to me, I expect it to be so, regardless of my specific justification. I also anticipate the possibility that I may be asked to leave the team, if the lack of that buff is negatively impacting my ability to contribute. Typically, when I ask not to recieve a buff, it's because it's not actually doing anything for me that I care about. Case in point, Ice Shields on a softcapped SR. Against the overwhelming majority of opponents, I don't give a crap about Cold Resistance. Or SB on some of my characters who have more than adequate +Recovery and +Recharge. If I'm not gaining any appreciable combat efficiency (see: my Elec/Elec Brute with enough Global Recharge to use Lightning Rod every 28 seconds, or my Mind/Psi Permadom), then it's just an unwelcome movement buff, and frankly a waste of the buffer's time.
Assorted "I'll buff who I want, and buff 'em extra hard if they ask me not to" types... I'd like to take preemptive measures to avoid encountering people like you in game. My global is @Eisenzahn, please /gignore it.
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Huh, you know? Based on a few posts about buffing them harder if they ask for them not to, next time a Cold Dom buffs me when I ask them not to on purpose (which is usually never, only toon of mine right now that gets almost no benefit is my softcapped /SR Scrapper), I'm going to quit moving and start shouting something to the effect of "Help! The Cold Dom froze me in place! I can't move!"
Even if I get kicked, it'd be worth it.
Though speaking of kicking, if someone was giving people buffs on purpose they didn't ask for and I was the leader, I'd kick them. A team that's getting along and cooperating is worth much more than a malicious buffer, no matter how good they are.
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My Scrappers make very, very, very poor Vengeance bait, even without outside buffs. My Blaster or Corruptor without outside buffs, however...
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And if you're going to complain about bouncing into walls, that's really one of the only things that will elicit a "L2P, n00b" response from me. I can believe that this is a potentially difficult skill to learn, but if getting a SB ruins your ability to line up cones, I think that's an excuse to SB you more so you get the practice you need. From my personal experience playing dark blast defenders, it's a lot of fun to get all that stuff to line up with the speed boost; when I'm on my kin/dark and Siphon Speed misses, I get annoyed because I can't move as fast.
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Again though, rather than be a jerk and insist that people who are less effective with the buff take it "so they can L2P n00b" as you say, wouldn't it be better for all involved if you just showed a little common courtesy to the people who politely ask to not be SB'd? Or is "common courtesy" a foreign concept to people who think that all buffs are good all the time?
Less frustration for the people who do have issues with it. Less time arguing on teams about why someone should or shouldn't have to take the Speed Boost. As others have noted, not everyone needs the extra End recovery, Recharge, or especially the movement speed of Speed Boost.
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Come on now DH, there are times everyone could use the extra Recharge.
That said, if I have my recovery taken care of, and my recharge taken care of or if it won't help the team as much (like when I was on a team with my tank, with the right amount of damage already, and I was just needed more for my taunting than actual damage output), when asked, I've told the SBer to keep at their judgement.
This was more because SB lasts 2 mins, and on a full team, it can get annoying to keep 7 people SBed.
<.< *mumbles something about making it last 4 minutes and doubling it's END/RCH cost to make it happen*
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Yes it can get annoying. I have one kin and I probably won't ever play another. She's not my idea of fun. That probably wouldn't change if SB was a 4 minute buff though. Just not much fun for me to team using her. I keep her around pretty much just so I can run around and fight GMs, often solo.
That's a completely separate issue though.
For the most part, my melee toons are based around having PBAoEs and cone attacks, particularly the DHs. Especially with Dark Melee, SB putting me in the wrong spot from lack of control can make a difference between hitting 6 enemies or hitting 10 with Soul Drain or Dark Consumption. You've probably already seen that though from teaming with my scrapper, tank, or brute.
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