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That's too bad. As a support character, I'll put buffs out on everyone at all times whether they like it or not. If they don't, kick me.
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It is my place to stand.
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That's too bad. As a support character, I'll put buffs out on everyone at all times whether they like it or not. If they don't, kick me.
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"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton
Madam Enigma's History
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The only time I've had serious complaints about bubbles was with the old Sonic graphics - and that wasn't aesthetics, that was "they make me physically ill."
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I have an SG mate who has this issue with Thermal shields. Found out the hard way when I hit her with Fire and Plasma shields with my mind/thermal troller. After about ten minutes she was done for the day. Knowing that, I ask teams when I use my mind/thermal if everyone is okay with having the shields on their toons.
She has the same issue with the graphics that show up when you're doing warhead runs in Warburg as well. We got her to do a run one morning with us so she'd have them for a STF team. She was able to stick it out long enough to get the warheads but we didn't see her again in-game for about 36 hours. The flashing sparkles of Domination set her off as well so she can't play Doms.
I've got another SG mate whose system goes nuts when he's speed-boosted on any toon normally moving faster than Hover. It sometimes winds up crashing the client and then requires a reboot to run properly.
"Lrn2ply" is not an option for these situations.
So yeah, there really are legit reasons to not want buffs, and anyone who refuses to not buff someone when asked gets kicked from our teams.
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Hey! Those times all totally beat my usual for evil!Sonic bubbles! One buff = 48 or more hours being ouchy! ... I'm such a masochist, seriously.
Please, people, if someone says they don't want a buff, and list "it makes me sick/gives me a headache" as their reason? Please, please, please, don't buff them! I certainly don't need to be "convinced" about how useful buffs are or anything like that.
The people in here that talk about buffing extra when people ask not to be kinda make me sick, and not in my usual CoH way. 
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Current Defender Projects: Emp/Psy and Storm/Arch
lol Stalker: Nin/Nrg
It's a mystery to me how people can play this game, with its flashing lights and bright colours everywhere, and be fine, but as soon as one little bubble/speedboost/ice armor shows up, it's migraine city and oh noes. Considering how hectic and chaotic the graphics are in a typical team battle, it's a wonder those folks don't die on the spot when someone fulcrum shifts.
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It's a mystery to me how people can play this game, with its flashing lights and bright colours everywhere, and be fine, but as soon as one little bubble/speedboost/ice armor shows up, it's migraine city and oh noes. Considering how hectic and chaotic the graphics are in a typical team battle, it's a wonder those folks don't die on the spot when someone fulcrum shifts.
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... so I guess all those people who used to get migraines from Sonic Res were faking it and the Devs changed the set because they decided one night that orange was an awesome color?
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Current Defender Projects: Emp/Psy and Storm/Arch
lol Stalker: Nin/Nrg
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I can understand some buffs and not wanting them due to some graphics issue/motion issues.
But if someone told me to not us a blast like Explosive Arrow I would tell them to piss off and find another team. That is just redonkuless.
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Well Hobo, I could see his point. The attack's KB proc had gone off just before he said it, so I figured he was worried about knocking enemies into unagroed groups. As such I refrained from using it unless things were immobilized by KB preventing imobs. The energy blaster with us had gotten booted for reckless knockback causing six team wipes the mission previous.
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I often slot extra knockback into knockback powers just to knock stuff everywhere and aggro. I probably would have made my exit from that team.
I can't take the game that seriously.
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It's a mystery to me how people can play this game, with its flashing lights and bright colours everywhere, and be fine, but as soon as one little bubble/speedboost/ice armor shows up, it's migraine city and oh noes. Considering how hectic and chaotic the graphics are in a typical team battle, it's a wonder those folks don't die on the spot when someone fulcrum shifts.
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... so I guess all those people who used to get migraines from Sonic Res were faking it and the Devs changed the set because they decided one night that orange was an awesome color?
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Maybe you could bold the part of my post where I claimed that? Go ahead, I'll wait.
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It's a mystery to me how people can play this game, with its flashing lights and bright colours everywhere, and be fine, but as soon as one little bubble/speedboost/ice armor shows up, it's migraine city and oh noes. Considering how hectic and chaotic the graphics are in a typical team battle, it's a wonder those folks don't die on the spot when someone fulcrum shifts.
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... so I guess all those people who used to get migraines from Sonic Res were faking it and the Devs changed the set because they decided one night that orange was an awesome color?
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Maybe you could bold the part of my post where I claimed that? Go ahead, I'll wait.
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There you go! 
You don't have to say the exact words for it to be clear what you're implying. Feigning innocence after the fact doesn't quite work so well when you made a sarcastic response like that. Hope that helps you figure out why Cy might have replied the way she did. Somehow I doubt it though.
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I must admit defeat; I have been outsmirked.
Tell you what. I will do my level best, for real, super cereal not to SB/FF/whatever anyone who asks not to be, for whatever reason. I won't try to guess whether their reason is good enough for me. In return, please don't [censored] me out when I do it accidentally. Deal?
That was a pretty epic smiley, I do have to admit.
Actually, can we all agree not to buff people who ask for it every 15 seconds, especially if they're A) already buffed and B) on the opposite side of the map, instead?
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Accidents happen once in a while. I usually give someone a warning if their accidents cause trouble. I leave it up to the person affected as to how much of a problem it is though and what they want done about it.
I'm more than willing to remove someone I don't know, to keep someone I do know from having to leave.
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It's a mystery to me how people can play this game, with its flashing lights and bright colours everywhere, and be fine, but as soon as one little bubble/speedboost/ice armor shows up, it's migraine city and oh noes. Considering how hectic and chaotic the graphics are in a typical team battle, it's a wonder those folks don't die on the spot when someone fulcrum shifts.
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... so I guess all those people who used to get migraines from Sonic Res were faking it and the Devs changed the set because they decided one night that orange was an awesome color?
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Not necessarily but I have to think that they followed the "FCC Complaint Conversion Factor" where 1 person = 1 billion people.
I know it's a legitimate medical problem but unless I saw a compiled video of all the people writhing in pain/suffering a seizure (great YouTube video), I can't believe it wasn't a little overblown.
Although admittedly, I don't doubt it could have been totally accurate in its nature. I'm just skeptical when a field of gamers suddenly has motion/color sickness that couldn't be attributed to "Me, too!" and other factors (certain framerates, low ambient light, etc.).
Blue: ~Knockback Squad on Guardian~
Red: ~Undoing of Virtue on [3 guesses]~
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It's a mystery to me how people can play this game, with its flashing lights and bright colours everywhere, and be fine, but as soon as one little bubble/speedboost/ice armor shows up, it's migraine city and oh noes. Considering how hectic and chaotic the graphics are in a typical team battle, it's a wonder those folks don't die on the spot when someone fulcrum shifts.
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Not to me. I can play the game fine, but the looping sound of targeting drone gave me headaches. If I play my sonic/sonic defender I get a headache after a while too.
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Madam Enigma's History
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It's a mystery to me how people can play this game, with its flashing lights and bright colours everywhere, and be fine, but as soon as one little bubble/speedboost/ice armor shows up, it's migraine city and oh noes. Considering how hectic and chaotic the graphics are in a typical team battle, it's a wonder those folks don't die on the spot when someone fulcrum shifts.
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Because certain patterns bring them on and others do not. Sonic was pretty much a bullet straight to a migraine sufferer's nervous system which flooded you with nitric oxide. Instant migraine.
And yes, your smug post DID make it clear you believe we're all liars.
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It's a mystery to me how people can play this game, with its flashing lights and bright colours everywhere, and be fine, but as soon as one little bubble/speedboost/ice armor shows up, it's migraine city and oh noes. Considering how hectic and chaotic the graphics are in a typical team battle, it's a wonder those folks don't die on the spot when someone fulcrum shifts.
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... so I guess all those people who used to get migraines from Sonic Res were faking it and the Devs changed the set because they decided one night that orange was an awesome color?
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Not necessarily but I have to think that they followed the "FCC Complaint Conversion Factor" where 1 person = 1 billion people.
I know it's a legitimate medical problem but unless I saw a compiled video of all the people writhing in pain/suffering a seizure (great YouTube video), I can't believe it wasn't a little overblown.
Although admittedly, I don't doubt it could have been totally accurate in its nature. I'm just skeptical when a field of gamers suddenly has motion/color sickness that couldn't be attributed to "Me, too!" and other factors (certain framerates, low ambient light, etc.).
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It's accurate.
It gave me headaches. I don't get migraines or seizures, but the sonic buffs (old version) meant I was done for the day. Others certainly had problems, as well - some of whom did have migraines, and the buffs were enough for a trigger.
I don't know what you'd want as a "video of writhing in pain." Headaches don't show up on video very well. But it made me miserable physically, made me irritated that I couldn't spend time with people I'd grown to enjoy spending time with, and made THEM miserable that the buff put me in that situation.
It was not overblown in the least. And yes, some of us actually went through and tried different monitors, different systems, making sure we weren't dealing with fluorescents, trying bright lights, trying dark rooms, anything we could think of. It was the graphics. Which, I realize, DOES sound odd with everything else flashing and such - but part of the problem, we believe, was that they WERE subtle, a continuing flicker that was causing the problem. (After all, people did get eyestrain from flickering CRTs, might be similar. *shrug* )
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And if some lingering hostility and touchiness seems extant when it comes to "it comes off like you're calling us all liars,") well, given how nasty the name calling got to those who DID have this reaction (and how the same people started with "No, orange gives me a headache!" when they finally got changed,) well... old wounds. What irritated me MOST, though, was that their asshattery nearly made us miss one person who DID have a problem with the new sonic dispersion bubble - seeing a neurologist and talking to his GF, it turned out he had an *exceptionally* rare sort of trigger. The only things that fired it off were the graphics (pre-tone-down) of the new Sonic disperson, and the opening of the movie SAW. (he didn't remember the last because, well... he'd had a seizure. His girlfriend told him about it and, when he'd started having problems with the new sonic dispersion while on test, talked him into going to the neurologist.)
Yep, that was pointed out. Sorry 'bout that. You'll recover, I trust?
Can't they just turn of the effects of powers so they don't see the bubble or buff? I have heard of ppl not being able to handle the sonic buffs so they just turn of the effects in their settings.
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Honestly, TwilightPhoenix, take one step backward and look at how stupid that sounds.
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It got your attention, did it not (along with everyone else's)? Then the words I chose did their job. Things that sound silly can be quiet effective at grabbing attention and generating discussion.
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You do know softcap is only 45% defense, and with that it only means that an even level minion has a 5% chance to hit you, anything above that they get better. So I wouldn't turn down any buffs.
My DB/SR scrappers sits at 58% defense in all positions, if I get lucky enough to get on a team with a bubble defender, I ask them to keep bubbles up on me, makes me have perma crashless Elude (also justifies me for not taking it either.)
I don't care if the power makes me have smelly line that make my toon look like it stinks, a well slotted FF/ Defender can softcap a whole team and not getting hit is better than any type of heal.
I have never been blessed enough on any of my toons to be on a team with 2 FFs I would want to try that one day.
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I know, I'm familiar with how defense works. Anything from 0 to +5 will have no ToHit Bonus against a player. LTs get a 1.15 accuracy modified, Bosses, EBs, and Snipers a 1.3 modifier, and GMs, AVs, and Monsters a 1.5 modifier. With no other buffs, that 1.5 modifier results in 7.5% ToHit chance for that critter against 45% or higher defenses, as opposed to 5%. And that value is floored there because, as I guess and may be wrong, the order the game figures hits (I think accuracy is calculated after defense is applied against ToHit, I'm horrid at reading algebraic formulas). There's only specific instances where more defense is helpful in the PvE game: defense debuffs (which SR can pretty much ignore with 95% resistance, every one else needs to be more wary) and ToHit buffs (Vanguard in general, Rularuu Eyes, Nemesis Vengeance, etc.) Outside of those, defenses higher than 45% does nothing but look pretty. Now, if you're running MA content where Build-up, Aim, Targeting Drone, etc. are frequent, more defense can be helpful. Though when a mob pops any sort of temporary To-Hit buff power, I generally back away until it wears off if they can hit me hard enough for it to matter.
More defense is, however, useful in PvP, at least to some degree. But this is because not only is there no softcap in PvP due to ToHit and Accuracy slotting, but also because DR will drop 45% defense to around 33%, at least on a Scrapper.
Additionally, the softcap is perma-crashless Elude, sans the movement speed and recovery. Elude grants 45% defense to all positions. My Scrapper skipped it as well. While as cool as jumping up to 90% defense is for three minutes, it's not helpful and between my slotting and Conserve Power, I have limitless endurance. The movement speed would be nice, but I'm not going to suffer a end/recovery crash for that.
If you don't trust my information, please feel free to check with the Scrapper forums. This page is also helpful and is where I double checked for looking up my mob To-Hit and Accuracy modifiers.
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So, I've been playing my new Force Field / Dark Blast Defender for a little over a month now, and I ran into this the other day.
"Don't bubble me, please. And turn off your big bubble. I don't like the way they look on my toon. Nothing against you personally."
Now, I've been playing the game off and on for four years. I've heard of people asking not to be speed boosted, and asking Thermals not to buff them. This is the first time I can ever recall someone asking not to be bubbled, and for Dispersion Bubble to be turned off. WTF?
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They were stupid. Nough said.
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It's a mystery to me how people can play this game, with its flashing lights and bright colours everywhere, and be fine, but as soon as one little bubble/speedboost/ice armor shows up, it's migraine city and oh noes. Considering how hectic and chaotic the graphics are in a typical team battle, it's a wonder those folks don't die on the spot when someone fulcrum shifts.
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Because certain patterns bring them on and others do not. Sonic was pretty much a bullet straight to a migraine sufferer's nervous system which flooded you with nitric oxide. Instant migraine.
And yes, your smug post DID make it clear you believe we're all liars.
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For the most part, I agree with the original quoted sentiment. There just don't seem to be too many powers out there that cause real physical symptoms in the current game. (I'll mention here that I didn't make my sonic until after the set had been changed to solve the migraine problems.)
But if you have a problem with something because it messes with your costume, ruining your role playing, maybe you need to learn to role play better. Perhaps that role playing involves getting mad at people who buff you and losing out on being on teams with certain buffers (I actually do like the previous poster who planned on complaining about the cold defender freezing him down, so please don't read this as sarcasm.) Or perhaps that involves roleplaying the fact that when you're playing this game on a team, you're actually playing with other superheroes who have powers that are going to affect you.
And if you're going to complain about bouncing into walls, that's really one of the only things that will elicit a "L2P, n00b" response from me. I can believe that this is a potentially difficult skill to learn, but if getting a SB ruins your ability to line up cones, I think that's an excuse to SB you more so you get the practice you need. From my personal experience playing dark blast defenders, it's a lot of fun to get all that stuff to line up with the speed boost; when I'm on my kin/dark and Siphon Speed misses, I get annoyed because I can't move as fast.
I do think that it's possible to make allowances for unnecessary buffs ("I'm already at the defense cap!") or real limitations (some people still get migraines/motion sickness). But the latter seems pretty rare to me (I only think I've managed to play with one person in the last 4 years on anything approaching a regular basis who claimed to have a problem with one of my powersets.) And the former, while common enough, isn't as common as many people think: in the presence of certain debuffs or buffs, you actually want to get past the cap. It sounds, for example, like Madam Enigma doesn't need +recharge for her attack chain, but against enemies that do -recharge, some prevention of that effect can be useful. (That said, I am extremely doubtful that there is any build that exists that can't benefit from +recharge, so I'm a bit skeptical there too.)
But this is sort of a moot point for me anyway; I'm pretty bad at keeping SB up on the team, and so I find that I don't really enjoy playing my kin all that much. So I'll probably skip SBing you by simply playing another toon that I actually like...
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And if you're going to complain about bouncing into walls, that's really one of the only things that will elicit a "L2P, n00b" response from me. I can believe that this is a potentially difficult skill to learn, but if getting a SB ruins your ability to line up cones, I think that's an excuse to SB you more so you get the practice you need. From my personal experience playing dark blast defenders, it's a lot of fun to get all that stuff to line up with the speed boost; when I'm on my kin/dark and Siphon Speed misses, I get annoyed because I can't move as fast.
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Again though, rather than be a jerk and insist that people who are less effective with the buff take it "so they can L2P n00b" as you say, wouldn't it be better for all involved if you just showed a little common courtesy to the people who politely ask to not be SB'd? Or is "common courtesy" a foreign concept to people who think that all buffs are good all the time?
Less frustration for the people who do have issues with it. Less time arguing on teams about why someone should or shouldn't have to take the Speed Boost. As others have noted, not everyone needs the extra End recovery, Recharge, or especially the movement speed of Speed Boost.
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I've got to agree with Demon Hunter here. Its not your call to decide when a teammate needs to get in a bit of practice lining up cones while moving at high speed.
If someone asks you to hold back on a buff for whatever reason and you deliberately buff them because you think you know better, you're being a pain in the butt.
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And if you're going to complain about bouncing into walls, that's really one of the only things that will elicit a "L2P, n00b" response from me. I can believe that this is a potentially difficult skill to learn, but if getting a SB ruins your ability to line up cones, I think that's an excuse to SB you more so you get the practice you need. From my personal experience playing dark blast defenders, it's a lot of fun to get all that stuff to line up with the speed boost; when I'm on my kin/dark and Siphon Speed misses, I get annoyed because I can't move as fast.
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Again though, rather than be a jerk and insist that people who are less effective with the buff take it "so they can L2P n00b" as you say, wouldn't it be better for all involved if you just showed a little common courtesy to the people who politely ask to not be SB'd? Or is "common courtesy" a foreign concept to people who think that all buffs are good all the time?
Less frustration for the people who do have issues with it. Less time arguing on teams about why someone should or shouldn't have to take the Speed Boost. As others have noted, not everyone needs the extra End recovery, Recharge, or especially the movement speed of Speed Boost.
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Come on now DH, there are times everyone could use the extra Recharge.
That said, if I have my recovery taken care of, and my recharge taken care of or if it won't help the team as much (like when I was on a team with my tank, with the right amount of damage already, and I was just needed more for my taunting than actual damage output), when asked, I've told the SBer to keep at their judgement.
This was more because SB lasts 2 mins, and on a full team, it can get annoying to keep 7 people SBed.
<.< *mumbles something about making it last 4 minutes and doubling it's END/RCH cost to make it happen*
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Can't they just turn of the effects of powers so they don't see the bubble or buff? I have heard of ppl not being able to handle the sonic buffs so they just turn of the effects in their settings.
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This is what I do, I have trouble seeing through fire/ice armors and bubbles, so I suppress close fx. The only problem I have is that some odd things like my stone mallets disappear too.
On the asking people not to use powers, there is only one I ask about. Hurricane gives me motion sickness and makes me feel as if I'm about to throw up, so I ask the stormie if they use hurricane most of the time and quit the team if they do and can't/won't do without it.
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Want.