I done a good thing today, George!
By
Battlebabe,
Posted on: 2009-06-20 04:25 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I help people out if they need help period. I don't judge them one way or another because of their lack of knowlege, the level of toon they have or their vet badges.
To me help comes in the form of education. Getting them to RTFM, come here and read the AT guides and other helpful information.
I meet a lot of people by being helpful and 99.99999% are VERY greatful for the help. I always hit up Kheld drivers and many many don't know what they are doing.
Instead of getting mad, not helping, judging etc... I offer answers to questions, pass on my build info point them to the must read Kheld guides etc...You know particpating in the community in a positive manner. 
P.S. I also have been running a rookie sewer team and Mercy street/bank teams to help the one that want too learn the lower level ropes. Most appreciated it.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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both they and the equely self righteous anti-authority "fight the power" brigade have had their representatives out, fortunately this thread is not about that idiocy, but just helping another player, which is a fine activity.
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not according to certain respondents in this thread, who feel those who don't play 'the right way' should be shunned.
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Nethergoat's paranoia aside, this is what we need more of. Get people to stop mindlessly farming by showing them something they enjoy more.
Teaching people about additional options is far better than channeling them into "better" behavior by eliminating their alternatives.
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Nethergoat's paranoia aside, this is what we need more of. Get people to stop mindlessly farming by showing them something they enjoy more.
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A positive interaction with a friendly, accepting fellow player is great for the health of the game. But they could just as easily have gotten a lecture from one of our local playstyle scolds.
This makes me "paranoid" how, exactly?
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I've kept my eyes out for him, but haven't seen him so far.
Maybe he took my advice?
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I get what your saying, but I have a soft spot for new people.
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Same here. I spent the entire evening on a lowbie going through the basics with a brand new player this week.
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I find this to be an absolutely fascinating aspect of the whole CoH endeavor.
It's been my experience that THIS game, in particular, tends to attract people who are "heroic" by nature... that is, they get gratification from helping other people.
I know I do, both in real life and in-game. Whether it's fixing a colleague's mistake without busting their chops about it, or just seeing some tourists pouring over a map and looking around bewilderedly here in NYC, and stopping to offer help, being a "do-gooder" makes me feel good inside.
I would love to see some hard-core inquiry and testing done on this...it seems like a fascinating correlation worthy of further study.
Never thought about that. Would be a rather interesting study.
I play mainly villains though. 
I've got about 3-4 global friends that were total newbies that I helped as much as I could. Of course, I haven't seen them since, but hey, at least I tried.
Hmm... maybe it's me >.> ... <.<
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He knew more I think than they usual AE baby, but was still had been only playing a week. Got his first 50 in that time. I thought about global friending him, but I didn't want him to think I was a creep or something
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Kudos to you for helping, but anyone who has been playing for a week and has a VEAT will get no help from me.
If people don't do the dirty work themselves, they don't have a right to the spoils IMO. Let him suffer through the learning process, he should have done it the first time around.
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He knew more I think than they usual AE baby, but was still had been only playing a week. Got his first 50 in that time. I thought about global friending him, but I didn't want him to think I was a creep or something
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Kudos to you for helping, but anyone who has been playing for a week and has a VEAT will get no help from me.
If people don't do the dirty work themselves, they don't have a right to the spoils IMO. Let him suffer through the learning process, he should have done it the first time around.
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... for a lot of the stuff in the game, asking long-time players is the dirty work. No contact or mission ever tells you that you can check how long your pets last through the power window, or where the forums are, or the pros and cons of toggles as far as endurance burning. Unless you want to banish somebody back to Ye Darke Ages of Issue 0 when nobody know where Founder's Falls was and Talos was the dark, scary, forbidden land of death, asking other players is by far the best way to learn this stuff.
Forumites: All those AE kiddies don't know anything about the game! I hate grouping with them at high levels! They're always incompetent and ignorant!
AE Kiddy: *asks questions to try educating himself about the game*
Forumites: SHUT UP, YOU.
Having Vengeance and Fallout slotted for recharge means never having to say you're sorry.
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He knew more I think than they usual AE baby, but was still had been only playing a week. Got his first 50 in that time. I thought about global friending him, but I didn't want him to think I was a creep or something
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Kudos to you for helping, but anyone who has been playing for a week and has a VEAT will get no help from me.
If people don't do the dirty work themselves, they don't have a right to the spoils IMO. Let him suffer through the learning process, he should have done it the first time around.
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... for a lot of the stuff in the game, asking long-time players is the dirty work. No contact or mission ever tells you that you can check how long your pets last through the power window, or where the forums are, or the pros and cons of toggles as far as endurance burning. Unless you want to banish somebody back to Ye Darke Ages of Issue 0 when nobody know where Founder's Falls was and Talos was the dark, scary, forbidden land of death, asking other players is by far the best way to learn this stuff.
Forumites: All those AE kiddies don't know anything about the game! I hate grouping with them at high levels! They're always incompetent and ignorant!
AE Kiddy: *asks questions to try educating himself about the game*
Forumites: SHUT UP, YOU.
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Actually, most of the threads I've seen where an AE kiddy is asking legitimate questions about the game, the players sigh and answer them anyway, trying to tactfully advise the player to play through the game the proper way.
Great job, Mngwa!
I did not have a good impression of MMOs when I started, due the the nasty, 'I pwnz you', 'stoopid noob' response I always got (and that was me trying to learn the game while playing).
I gave it one last try; City of Heroes. I was pleasantly surprised at the friendly, helpful nature of most of the folks I encountered. It was extremely refreshing. My main started on Guardian server, and received lots of help, camaraderie ...and cookies. I felt more like a member of the community with this game than any other.
As such, I have done what I can to help others in learning the game. I am into the "give a man a fish, you'll feed him for a day; teach him to fish, and he'll be fed for a lifetime" mentality.
Show them the things you remember were tough to understand and ambiguous when you started the game, just as an example. Point them to Paragonwiki; introduce them to the forums, point them to the University tutorial, mention the chat/help channels, etc.
The game is what it is; AE is the current FoM aligned to allow for a fast means of leveling/loot. You can't blame the new players for this; most don't know any better. They are playing the game they see as is provided, or being shown by friends who also quickly level/gain loot in the game. Quite simply, some enjoy the rapid 'gotta have now' race to 50. I can't say anything about other people's play style, other than taking the responsibility to show them the other side of the tracks and hope they like what they see.
In order to 'fix' the exploits and means by which the devs 'don't want us to play' , the game always needs money (which they have found numerous ways of late with super booster packs, renaming and server transfers). The more money, the more workers; the more workers, the more fixes (and content!). As such, helping show new CoH players the other side of the street, such as the game's great long-term content, storylines, TFs/SFs, Mothership Raids, Hami Raids, RPing, etc., is overall best for all of us. It gets them to our level of good player experience, as well as keeping them in the game for the longer haul.
In my SGs and VGs, we do this all the time. We help where we can in teaching them the game, not giving them the quick-fix, rapid means of playing. Most that I have helped have enjoyed the rest of the game's content, and have stayed; some didn't. You can't please all the people all the time.
What Mngwa did is indeed a credit to one's self. THIS is how it should be done not only in-game but IRL. Those that learn how to do their RL 'job' are better at doing it and may take it as a career; in parallel, a player who is taught 'how to play' may well be a better player, and will stay, making for a much better community and maybe even a die-hard player like most forumites here.
I wouldn't even be playing MMOs anymore if it wasn't for those that taught me 'how to fish' instead of 'here's a fish' or 'go'way, noob'.
Food for thought.
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Actually, most of the threads I've seen where an AE kiddy is asking legitimate questions about the game, the players sigh and answer them anyway, trying to tactfully advise the player to play through the game the proper way.
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True, but I've seen more than a few 'yeah, this n00b asked me how set IOs work, so I totally yelled at him to level right next time!' posts.
Having Vengeance and Fallout slotted for recharge means never having to say you're sorry.
Well, I saw Bubbles again.
Bubbles: "lft for a ae mission but not if u gonna break team after 5 mins please"
and this a min later
Bubbles: "lft for ae missions invite if u need but not if u a [censored]."
EDIT: oh yea and he's level 29, was 5 when I talked to him. >.>
We do what we can.
I suggest if you see him again, you talk up some of the good story arcs, either inside or outside the MA.
Mention the old standby of "Journey not destination".
www.paragonwiki.com is a great source of information for this game.
New or returning to the game? Want advice from experienced players who want to help YOU?
The Mentor Project: Part of the New Player Council.
Gladstone (Prime Minister of England, and a C of E minister) used to bring "Fallen women" home to meet his wife and get a good meal and an uplifting sermon. When he was old, someone asked him how many prostitutes he'd helped, and he thought for a minute and said "Maybe one?"
My goal is to do better than "maybe one".
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So you think you're a hero, huh.
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He asked me to get him to 10, he was 5 at the time, and I suggested he just street sweep(you know, to see the sights and stuffs) or run some paper missions.
He said something back I think, but I'm to tired to remember.
<----staying up all night, its a bet I regret 
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Yeah, duh! Dood pow3rl3vl mee, just like how I gots to l3v3l fity.
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...tactfully advise the player to play through the game the proper way.
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When are you people going to get it?
There is no 'proper way'.
If the player is having fun, leave it at that.
All this sanctimonious BS coming from the self appointed 'Guardians of the One True Way' is getting really old.
To the OP, THANKS for helping another person.
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...tactfully advise the player to play through the game the proper way.
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When are you people going to get it?
There is no 'proper way'.
If the player is having fun, leave it at that.
All this sanctimonious BS coming from the self appointed 'Guardians of the One True Way' is getting really old.
To the OP, THANKS for helping another person.
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You're right. There is no 'One True Way' as you put it. At the same time, these are the type of same folks who leech on or foul up TFs, can't be counted on to play their role on a team, and are generally a burden until they figure it out.
I'm frankly quite selfish with my time, and I'd rather play for my own personal enjoyment rather than to spoon feed someone who can't be bothered to spend a few minutes with a manual or look something up with search.
You can call that selfish, sanctimonious, etc. I don't care. When these players start impeding on my fun is when I start drawing the line.
As I mentioned before, I've counseled hundreds of players and have a number of guides, both here and on other sites, to my credit. But I won't spend time with fools who won't put up a minimal of effort and maybe realize that they need to develop basic competence.
So,before this gets swallowed up(was 5 pages behind already )should I help another person who asks for it, or should I be a jerk and just tell him to play it right?
Theres seems to be vary opinions about this among different people.
I think it takes more energy to get all snarked up and jerky, so I just help people.
Some rookie guy was in Cap and wanted to get a Jetpack from Granville but was short of money. He was a level 12 and I told him to do some radio missions and then he could get a mayhem and a free Zero-G pack. He didn't know that he had been doing contact missions.
He thanked me and said that he didn't want to spend 10k for a jet pack when he only had 12k to start and his enhancements were red. I gave him a million quid and sent him on his merry little way. Chalk up one more happy new player.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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He knew more I think than they usual AE baby, but was still had been only playing a week. Got his first 50 in that time.
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He's lucky he ran into you instead of the local chapter of Purity Watch, a spin-off of the Kontent Kops.
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*facepalm*
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What, are you trying to pretend self-righteous anti-PL morality police don't exist?
I see some in this very thread.
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Oh, they do, and they want every damn AE farmer perma-banned for spamming their Atlas Park broadcast.
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Actually, most of the threads I've seen where an AE kiddy is asking legitimate questions about the game, the players sigh and answer them anyway, trying to tactfully advise the player to play through the game the proper way.
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It's hilarious how all playstyle scolds think their way is the "proper" way.
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My City Was Gone
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Actually, most of the threads I've seen where an AE kiddy is asking legitimate questions about the game, the players sigh and answer them anyway, trying to tactfully advise the player to play through the game the proper way.
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It's hilarious how all playstyle scolds think their way is the "proper" way.
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But they're all wrong. My way is the right way.
There I was between a rock and a hard place. Then I thought, "What am I doing on this side of the rock?"
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You done a good thing today. Yup.
Just because someone gave them bad "help" to start with doesn't mean they're irretreivably spoiled.
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I have yet to see how I gave them "bad" help.
I at least showed them the forums. Heck, I didn't discover them a good 3 years after I started playing. Before that, I just randomly clicked powers that I thought were cool.
I learned alot about the game after I found them.
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No no, I believe what's being pointed out as "bad" help here is the AE PLing.
You did fine.
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That is what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.
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So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.