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General feeling I'm getting is that people are still scared. o.o! A third of my people won't go near the sewers with their new characters like we used to, for fear it would be considered an exploit! x_X They don't wanta do more then one MA mission arc in a day due to possibly being flagged. I had an officer think his characters were locked, and just about QUIT before I had him double check, it turned out to be a glitch o.@ Overall the feeling is dread, despite alot of my people not having done anything wrong. Now as far as a fear device this worked fine, but it may be lingering too long. :P
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So are people really scared to level? I've never met anyone with that attitude in-game, and I've seen no evidence of it, even though it's been talked about a lot on the forums. Is this something that depends on what circles one travels in?
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Uhm. I have see chat from allot of people that are "scared" of being banned just because they have done a mish twice cause they like it. There is a new sense of fear amoung players now. I see it mostly in newer players, but it's not limited to them. As Sg leader and being on vent I hear that topic more now then ever before and these people aren't your farmers either. it's the people that want to finish their 50's off with io's or the early level procs and they don't have 120 mil to spend.
So whether that fear was intended to scare the normal player or not it's most certainly here and among the veteran players who don't farm as well. The Devs have achieved that goal.
MA is fun and it's a great thing for the game for sure no one said it wan't fun. But the nerfs have changed my mood towards it and the patch changes and talk from posi have scared allot of other people who don't farm. And it's not a "being in the right circle" thing either. You listen hard enough you'll hear it.
But even so, this is still my favorite game and I still support it even though I hate what some changes have done.
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It is not really even all "fear". The basic relationship between many of us and the devs has changed. Posi choose to make it adversarial and nebulously punitive. Players have reacted. Maybe some sg's are still running tfs and the like. Not seeing the pugs.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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Basically any larger outdoor map is now wasting a players time and shouldn't be used. Be it for storytelling or what have you. You're punishing your players by putting kill alls on larger maps now.
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You can do plenty of storytelling on a large outdoor map without punishing your players. Just do not make it a kill all.
Putting a kill all on a large outdoor map was always a bad idea, unless you were going for a farm.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
Of course ppl get upset whenever the nerf bat hits, myself included. I do now realize that it needed to be done but come on, 2 nerfs in a row? I think if the devs also added a chance to buy purps for like 9999 tickets on the next nerf, MA might be fun again to me.
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Ma was nerfed again today. Now tickets are limited to 1500 per mish no mater what. Personally I think this is terrible and I won't be AE'ng it anymore unless it's a friend who wants me to check out their arc. No recipes, no salvage and now tiny ticket amounts have gone to far attempting to stop farming. My biggest concern was for the really good toons out there that can handle hard mish's and now there is no reward for them doing those hard mish's.
I believe it to be so funny that these attempts to stop farming are taking place when they still allow "farming" channels in chat. Isn't that a blatant disreguard for the farming rules? Why not deleted them. How about all the farmers who charge people for pl'ng. I know many have been reported but nothing is done to them.
Instead AE is being nerfed because of farming and it's just been nerfed to far now to even bother with AE anymore. : (
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Oh noes! You'll have to run 3 missions to afford a TF drop! The humanity!
"I accidently killed Synapse, do we need to restart the mission?" - The Oldest One on Lord Recluses Strike Force
I can't report on other peoples' moods, but I can report on mine: I'm avoiding MA until issue 15 at the earliest, but not because of nerfs. Until the rating and search systems get improved, it's as useless as the paps on a boar hog. The nerfs make me hopeful that some day the system will be used for story telling, and not power leveling. The only part of the nerfing process that makes me angry is that there is no sign that Positron has carried through on his threat, which is why whenever I pass through Atlas Park or Cap au Diable on Virtue, it is increasingly evident that people have concluded he was bluffing. And they may be right, for all I can tell. I hope he's not; if the powerleveling gets back out of control the way it was because Paragon Studios doesn't have the guts to penalize blatant exploiters, MA, and for that matter much of the rest of the game, will be dead to me.
Thats the main injustice of the entire Posi unleashed post. He was clearly out of the box on his own so to speak in that first letter full of thinly disguised empty threats and placation rants for those expressing strong anti-farmer views.
To me the worst of the worst ALWAYS meant the 1-50 in 1 hour bloke that posted pictures, Saved mission Comm Officer exploiters and RMT'ers that break every rule in the book. To me this NEVER meant ANYONE doing the normal farms like BM and TV OR the people doing any farm in MA from all AV down to minions.
People that farmed non exploit MA missions and the standard PvE farms continued doing what they do. People new to farming and the non-powergamers were nervous and may have stopped any kind of farming from the sewers to MA out of fear, overreation.
People that are anti-farm took it to mean their position against any farming was supported and that the devs feel that all farming should end, overreaction.
In the end the bottom line is worst of the worst never meant every person that farms in COX.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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I can't report on other peoples' moods, but I can report on mine: I'm avoiding MA until issue 15 at the earliest, but not because of nerfs. Until the rating and search systems get improved, it's as useless as the paps on a boar hog. The nerfs make me hopeful that some day the system will be used for story telling, and not power leveling. The only part of the nerfing process that makes me angry is that there is no sign that Positron has carried through on his threat, which is why whenever I pass through Atlas Park or Cap au Diable on Virtue, it is increasingly evident that people have concluded he was bluffing. And they may be right, for all I can tell. I hope he's not; if the powerleveling gets back out of control the way it was because Paragon Studios doesn't have the guts to penalize blatant exploiters, MA, and for that matter much of the rest of the game, will be dead to me.
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Someone needs to stop caring so much about what other people do with their playtime...
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."
"Nothing is unchangeable but the inherent and unalienable rights of man."
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Uhm. I have see chat from allot of people that are "scared" of being banned just because they have done a mish twice cause they like it. There is a new sense of fear amoung players now. I see it mostly in newer players, but it's not limited to them. As Sg leader and being on vent I hear that topic more now then ever before and these people aren't your farmers either. it's the people that want to finish their 50's off with io's or the early level procs and they don't have 120 mil to spend.
So whether that fear was intended to scare the normal player or not it's most certainly here and among the veteran players who don't farm as well. The Devs have achieved that goal.
MA is fun and it's a great thing for the game for sure no one said it wan't fun. But the nerfs have changed my mood towards it and the patch changes and talk from posi have scared allot of other people who don't farm. And it's not a "being in the right circle" thing either. You listen hard enough you'll hear it.
But even so, this is still my favorite game and I still support it even though I hate what some changes have done.
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But nothing Positron's post said should inspire such fear in those players. Nothing at all.
All he said was that those who purposefully abused the "extreme" exploits could be affected. That's it. No "anti-farmer" threats were made, no "we're out to get you if we get a whiff of impropriety," nothing like that at all.
The fear is not because of what Positron said, it's because of what others have said about it. Forum fearmongers caused it, not Positron.
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Agreed, but I think it warrants a second clarification nonetheless. It is what it is.
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I'm not as interested in AE as I was when it came out, but I'm still working on a few arcs. I'm building the arc to maximize the 1500 ticket gain per mission, and building stories around what I find. Any AE mission I run that doesn't have this, and a good story I generally find incredibly boring. Spending a half hour playing any content, and only getting 200 tickets feels like I'm banging my head off a wall.
I use this guideline to rate missions as well that I feel like checking out.
The MA was too limited when it came out, and as they continue to take stuff away instead of expanding it, I find it a waste of time.
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."
"Nothing is unchangeable but the inherent and unalienable rights of man."
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Redside in Cap, the MA is pretty much dead whenever I decide to poke my head in there. Been dead since the nerf with seemingly no increase in activity since.
GG Devs.
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I can't report on other peoples' moods, but I can report on mine: I'm avoiding MA until issue 15 at the earliest, but not because of nerfs. Until the rating and search systems get improved, it's as useless as the paps on a boar hog. The nerfs make me hopeful that some day the system will be used for story telling, and not power leveling. The only part of the nerfing process that makes me angry is that there is no sign that Positron has carried through on his threat, which is why whenever I pass through Atlas Park or Cap au Diable on Virtue, it is increasingly evident that people have concluded he was bluffing. And they may be right, for all I can tell. I hope he's not; if the powerleveling gets back out of control the way it was because Paragon Studios doesn't have the guts to penalize blatant exploiters, MA, and for that matter much of the rest of the game, will be dead to me.
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Someone needs to stop caring so much about what other people do with their playtime...
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QFT, the sheer amount of Stop Having Fun Guys from my fellow roleplayers towards the hardcores is absolutely [censored] disgusting. ;/
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I can't report on other peoples' moods, but I can report on mine: I'm avoiding MA until issue 15 at the earliest, but not because of nerfs. Until the rating and search systems get improved, it's as useless as the paps on a boar hog. The nerfs make me hopeful that some day the system will be used for story telling, and not power leveling. The only part of the nerfing process that makes me angry is that there is no sign that Positron has carried through on his threat, which is why whenever I pass through Atlas Park or Cap au Diable on Virtue, it is increasingly evident that people have concluded he was bluffing. And they may be right, for all I can tell. I hope he's not; if the powerleveling gets back out of control the way it was because Paragon Studios doesn't have the guts to penalize blatant exploiters, MA, and for that matter much of the rest of the game, will be dead to me.
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Someone needs to stop caring so much about what other people do with their playtime...
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QFT, the sheer amount of Stop Having Fun Guys from my fellow roleplayers towards the hardcores is absolutely [censored] disgusting. ;/
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And look, a flame war! WHOOHOO can I fan the flames?
Basically if farmers/PL'rs had just keep their exploits quiet, nothing would have happened. As it happened, all the farming/pl stuff FLOODED every aspect of AE and so people complained. Stop acting like you guys were just quietly playing in the corner when it was more like a massive block party.
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The MA was too limited when it came out, and as they continue to take stuff away instead of expanding it, I find it a waste of time.
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One person's "waste of time" is another's goldmine. Playing video games and posting on Internet forums are huge wastes of time to some, yet other people still enjoy these pastimes.
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But nothing Positron's post said should inspire such fear in those players. Nothing at all.
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Players that have abused the reward system egregiously may lose benefits they have gained - leading up to and perhaps including losing access to the characters power-leveled in this fashion.
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Players who knowingly use an exploit when creating an arc, run the risk of having access to MA suspended, or worse- depending on the severity of the action, their account banned.
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Q) Are you going to give us an absolute definition of what abuse is?
A) I know a lot of you want to know an exact definition to see if you were actually abusing the system,
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Players who knowingly use an exploit when creating an arc, run the risk of having access to MA suspended, or worse- depending on the severity of the action, their account banned.
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Q) Are you going to give us an absolute definition of what abuse is?
A) I know a lot of you want to know an exact definition to see if you were actually abusing the system,
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Q) If I powerlevelled a character, am I going to lose them?
A) Probably not. Only the worst of the worst, exploitive, powerlevelled characters will be removed from the game. We dont take retroactive punishments lightly, but some offenses are so egregious that no one would question their intent and those ill-gotten gains should be dealt with. I just want to emphasize that no one is looking to punish anyone here, but rather remove the rewards of exploitive behavior.
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Thanks Joyce.
So these people that are afraid of running anything involving the MA system:
Are afraid that their character might get removed and/or account banned based on criteria not given to the player.
Coupled with a ticket cap and reduce xp from custom mobs... gives them no reason to use the MA system over standard paper missions.
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I can't report on other peoples' moods, but I can report on mine: I'm avoiding MA until issue 15 at the earliest, but not because of nerfs. Until the rating and search systems get improved, it's as useless as the paps on a boar hog. The nerfs make me hopeful that some day the system will be used for story telling, and not power leveling. The only part of the nerfing process that makes me angry is that there is no sign that Positron has carried through on his threat, which is why whenever I pass through Atlas Park or Cap au Diable on Virtue, it is increasingly evident that people have concluded he was bluffing. And they may be right, for all I can tell. I hope he's not; if the powerleveling gets back out of control the way it was because Paragon Studios doesn't have the guts to penalize blatant exploiters, MA, and for that matter much of the rest of the game, will be dead to me.
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QFT, the sheer amount of Stop Having Fun Guys from my fellow roleplayers towards the hardcores is absolutely [censored] disgusting. ;/
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And look, a flame war! WHOOHOO can I fan the flames?
Basically if farmers/PL'rs had just keep their exploits quiet, nothing would have happened. As it happened, all the farming/pl stuff FLOODED every aspect of AE and so people complained. Stop acting like you guys were just quietly playing in the corner when it was more like a massive block party.
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"You guys"? So you think the non-farmers and RPers are causing the problem?
Ohhh, wait, I get it. You thought because I was commenting on the annoying display of schadenfreude that I actually was one of these despised farmers, rather than someone who genuinely doesn't care how other people spend their time having fun.
You know what assuming makes you...
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."
"Nothing is unchangeable but the inherent and unalienable rights of man."
- Thomas Jefferson
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Its been about a week since the "nerf" and since that time, once again servers are back to normal population. Before...I had fun and it was fun to see all the players jumping online.
What kind of vibe is the community getting since the nerf ingame?
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My mood ring is showing kind of a blue-green plaid with a hint of orange trim. But I lost the little card that came with it, so I don't know what that means.
I'm thinking it's probably "Doom", but that's just a guess.
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Geveo wins the thread!
And for a while things were cold,
They were scared down in their holes
The forest that once was green
Was colored black by those killing machines
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Basically any larger outdoor map is now wasting a players time and shouldn't be used. Be it for storytelling or what have you. You're punishing your players by putting kill alls on larger maps now.
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You were always punishing your players by putting kill alls on larger maps. There's no reason a farm ever needed to be a kill all.
And for a while things were cold,
They were scared down in their holes
The forest that once was green
Was colored black by those killing machines
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Also priceless - not having to turn Broadcast off so you can ignore the Meow farm team calls. 
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Yes, now that those people have quit the game and are no longer contributing to the financial success of the game we will have less developers and less work put into the game. WIN! ()=
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I can't report on other peoples' moods, but I can report on mine: I'm avoiding MA until issue 15 at the earliest, but not because of nerfs. Until the rating and search systems get improved, it's as useless as the paps on a boar hog. The nerfs make me hopeful that some day the system will be used for story telling, and not power leveling. The only part of the nerfing process that makes me angry is that there is no sign that Positron has carried through on his threat, which is why whenever I pass through Atlas Park or Cap au Diable on Virtue, it is increasingly evident that people have concluded he was bluffing. And they may be right, for all I can tell. I hope he's not; if the powerleveling gets back out of control the way it was because Paragon Studios doesn't have the guts to penalize blatant exploiters, MA, and for that matter much of the rest of the game, will be dead to me.
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Someone needs to stop caring so much about what other people do with their playtime...
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QFT, the sheer amount of Stop Having Fun Guys from my fellow roleplayers towards the hardcores is absolutely [censored] disgusting. ;/
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And look, a flame war! WHOOHOO can I fan the flames?
Basically if farmers/PL'rs had just keep their exploits quiet, nothing would have happened. As it happened, all the farming/pl stuff FLOODED every aspect of AE and so people complained. Stop acting like you guys were just quietly playing in the corner when it was more like a massive block party.
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"You guys"? So you think the non-farmers and RPers are causing the problem?
Ohhh, wait, I get it. You thought because I was commenting on the annoying display of schadenfreude that I actually was one of these despised farmers, rather than someone who genuinely doesn't care how other people spend their time having fun.
You know what assuming makes you...
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I saw someone dissing someone else unnecessarily. I just wanted to jump on the bandwagon. 
Let's add on to that the creation of anything involving the MA system:
Involves considerable effort to populate and choose maps (which may be gone the next patch), and fill in good writing into all the blanks, using a clunky, character-limited text editing interface (for those who are serious about it),
plus the repeated runs to test for balance/challenge factor (which can again change without warning from patch to patch)
all in an attempt to either enjoy the map for oneself (except repeated playthroughs may just hit an invisible tripwire that calls CS attention to your map)
or to attract other players to your arc for fame and recognition, with a borked rating system, a proportion of players who are no longer interested in playing anything MA due to reasons stated above, and the added risk that as you get more popular, people may mark you down or find something in your arc to "report for content."
Following which, your arc might get pulled due to overreaction about possible farms (be it CS following their hunches or a player reporting what they perceive to be a farm) or some other nebulous "you know it when you see it" guidelines.
My personal reaction? Meh. Too much trouble for now.
Perhaps in I15 or Going Rogue, they'll put in more flexibility for choosing powers and branching dialogue choice systems for better storytelling, and/or have worked out all the "farm/not farm" kinks.
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Ma was nerfed again today. Now tickets are limited to 1500 per mish no mater what. Personally I think this is terrible and I won't be AE'ng it anymore unless it's a friend who wants me to check out their arc. No recipes, no salvage and now tiny ticket amounts have gone to far attempting to stop farming.
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Haha, "tiny ticket amounts"? Seriously?
A whole outdoor map of stock mobs, spawned on diff 4, might get up to 600 solo, including both defeats and mission bonus.
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Eh, no. A midsized outdoor map on 4 (unyielding) stocked for 1 will net over 500-600 tickets before bonus. And this is with standard mobs, not customs. So a total of 1000-1200 tickets for that map alone and thats without doing tricks to make more mobs come out of the woodwork.
Basically any larger outdoor map is now wasting a players time and shouldn't be used. Be it for storytelling or what have you. You're punishing your players by putting kill alls on larger maps now.
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on the largest maps a solo peson could make 750-1000 tickets before bonus depending on how map was set up. ive seen some outdoor maps that could yield 1500 tickets before the bonus. the ticket nerf is ridiculous and is way too low, but understandable as the devs dont want poeple capping tickets for 1 run of a map, but the ticket limit they set is way too low.